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RedLegSuperStar
12-13-2010, 10:21 AM
Reds sign catcher Fray Sosa late Sunday night early Monday morning to a contract. Details of the deal unknown. This via twitter.

Redsfan320
12-13-2010, 10:37 AM
I don't get it. This guy's been in a training academy for 5 years? He's never played in the minors? This is all I've found so far. (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2010/12/13/2010-12-13_fray_sosa_inks_deal_with_cincinnati_reds_shares _unique_relationship_with_buscone.html?r=sports)

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camisadelgolf
12-13-2010, 11:11 AM
That article paints the picture that Genaro "Jose" Jorge's motivation is to help his disciples and that making a profit isn't his primary ambition. Meanwhile, most of the young students at his academy pay $300+ month in order to attend. I'm not saying it's flat-out exploitation, but I'm skeptical of him for a few reasons. One of the biggest reasons is this:

During his baseball maturation process, Checo trained with Jorge for over two years. When first asked about Checo's bonus, Jorge denies receiving a cut, but both Checo's mother and his older brother Edwin (who is Mariel's manager) say Jorge received about $5,000.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/2010/07/31/2010-07-31_buscones_or_street_agents_shape_young_baseball_ talentfor_a_price.html?page=4

Why would he lie about that? How can you trust someone like that?

I(heart)Freel
12-13-2010, 11:16 AM
I'm guessing while he's been training on-and-off at the Academy in NYC, he's likely been playing organized ball in the DR these past few years.

We'll see what Fay and others with access to Walt/FO report.

Meanwhile, what does the signing mean? Did the organization need more catcher-depth? Or is it like pitching in that you can never have enough?

camisadelgolf
12-13-2010, 11:38 AM
I'm guessing while he's been training on-and-off at the Academy in NYC, he's likely been playing organized ball in the DR these past few years.

We'll see what Fay and others with access to Walt/FO report.

Meanwhile, what does the signing mean? Did the organization need more catcher-depth? Or is it like pitching in that you can never have enough?
Seeing as how there's so little information about him at the age of 21, I doubt he's much of a prospect. I think it's more like the you-can-never-have-enough philosophy. Especially going into spring training, you want more catchers to handle the 100+ pitchers in spring training. That's why you see people like this (http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=harfor001wil) drafted.

GADawg
12-13-2010, 12:12 PM
sad that the news is so slow that I actually excitedly clicked on this thread......at least the Cards are doing alot though i'm not sure they're any better....i guess losing the division got their attention

MattyHo4Life
12-13-2010, 02:00 PM
sad that the news is so slow that I actually excitedly clicked on this thread......at least the Cards are doing alot though i'm not sure they're any better....i guess losing the division got their attention

You think adding Berkman makes the Cards worse?

dougdirt
12-13-2010, 02:06 PM
You think adding Berkman makes the Cards worse?

Where is he going to play? His defense is going to be pretty bad if he isn't at first base and well, that guy isn't going to be playing first base.

NJReds
12-13-2010, 02:08 PM
You think adding Berkman makes the Cards worse?

Depends. If he's the Berkman that played for the Yankees, then he may not help very much. He looked awful playing 1B, so I can only imagine how he'd look in the OF. His line against LH pitching: .171/.261/.256 w/.517 OPS.

He does still work the count well and takes his share of walks.

If the Cards are planning to use him as a pinch-hitter/backup for Pujols, then he'll help them a bit. If he's an everyday starter in the OF ... yikes.

MattyHo4Life
12-13-2010, 02:13 PM
Where is he going to play? His defense is going to be pretty bad if he isn't at first base and well, that guy isn't going to be playing first base.

Probably RF, and his defense in RF will likely be pretty bad. He could make up for it with his bat though. After trading Ludwick, the Cards have been missing that extra power bat. I guess the question is do you want Jon Jay and Allen Craig in RF....or Lance Berkman. I wasn't too excited to see the light hitting Jay and Craig in RF even though their defense would likely be better than Berkman's. Nobody know's how Berkman will hit, but it's been reported that he has lost weight and is in better shape.

TRF
12-13-2010, 02:20 PM
shouldn't you guys be in the Cards sign Berkman thread? I'm curious about an unknown 21 year old player from an academy in the U.S. that the Reds just signed.

camisadelgolf
12-13-2010, 02:24 PM
shouldn't you guys be in the Cards sign Berkman thread? I'm curious about an unknown 21 year old player from an academy in the U.S. that the Reds just signed.
Shouldn't this thread be in the Minor Leagues forum? :cool:

GADawg
12-13-2010, 02:25 PM
You think adding Berkman makes the Cards worse?

what they said.

i guess the numbers tell us that Holliday is an above average defender but did any of us see that the last couple of years? He looks better thatn Soriano, maybe Gomes and who else? with all the complaining around here about sub par D in left field for "us" can you imagine RZ with Holliday and Berkman manning the corners? Berkman might come back and become his old self again and will probably beat up on the reds either way but if I'm on the Cards staff I'm hoping for lots of ground balls this season.

TRF
12-13-2010, 02:28 PM
Shouldn't this thread be in the Minor Leagues forum? :cool:

technically. :) but the Berkman talk should be in the Berkman thread.

TRF
12-13-2010, 02:29 PM
So does this academy play games or keep stats? Is there a scouting report on this guy? Can he hit? Does he have a good arm?

Anything?

NJReds
12-13-2010, 02:33 PM
I found these stats (http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_player.cfm?sid=7&collegeid=1701&category=Roster&slid=3&teamid=99291&athleteid=295495) on a JC College website. The school is in Manhattan, and the catcher's name is Frey Sosa. Not really going out on limb that it's the same person. I don't think JC College Baseball in the northeast is all that competitive, though.

GADawg
12-13-2010, 03:02 PM
I found these stats (http://www.njcaa.org/colleges_college_player.cfm?sid=7&collegeid=1701&category=Roster&slid=3&teamid=99291&athleteid=295495) on a JC College website. The school is in Manhattan, and the catcher's name is Frey Sosa. Not really going out on limb that it's the same person. I don't think JC College Baseball in the northeast is all that competitive, though.

when I used to scout and recruit players out of those kinds of schools there were lots of good players but very little pitching....obviously with pitching being at such a premium the better talent goes to the large schools and conferences unless they can't meet the academic req's....or unless they get drafted and sign of course.

REDREAD
12-14-2010, 02:39 PM
That article paints the picture that Genaro "Jose" Jorge's motivation is to help his disciples and that making a profit isn't his primary ambition. Meanwhile, most of the young students at his academy pay $300+ month in order to attend. I'm not saying it's flat-out exploitation, but I'm skeptical of him for a few reasons. One of the biggest reasons is this:


I guess I don't see a big deal out of this. Maybe the kid paid about 5k to the trainer over the last few years. Or maybe that 5k is "technically" not out of the signing bonus. Things get lost in the translation.

I don't see a big deal about charging someone $300/month to attend a baseball academy either. There's kids that spend more than that on music/art/dance/etc to chase the dream.