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TRF
12-14-2010, 01:10 PM
if Cordero is traded. I keep seeing all these threads, all these scenarios where the Reds trade Cordero to get Geinke, Reyes, etc.

But who closes games if that happens?

Massett is an obvious candidate. I think Burton or Bray could have a shot. Chapman is an intriguing possibility, but I'd rather see him starting games.

Thoughts?

Benihana
12-14-2010, 01:12 PM
if Cordero is traded. I keep seeing all these threads, all these scenarios where the Reds trade Cordero to get Geinke, Reyes, etc.

But who closes games if that happens?

Massett is an obvious candidate. I think Burton or Bray could have a shot. Chapman is an intriguing possibility, but I'd rather see him starting games.

Thoughts?

Bray can't be trusted to stay healthy. Plus, I'd rather keep him as a situational lefty. I like Masset or the darkhorse Arredondo as a closer candidate, although I suspect that if Cordero is traded, Chapman will be the closer.

GoReds
12-14-2010, 01:15 PM
Closer by committee. Bring in your best reliever in tough situations whether that's the 7th, 8th or 9th innings.

TRF
12-14-2010, 01:15 PM
I had forgotten about Arredondo. Personally, I'd like it if Joseph showed so much in ST and AAA that the Reds end up letting him audition for the job at some point. The Reds have the makings of a decent to excellent bullpen. The depth isn't just in the rotation.

Edd Roush
12-14-2010, 02:00 PM
Closer by committee. Bring in your best reliever in tough situations whether that's the 7th, 8th or 9th innings.

Dusty would never go for it, but this is what I would go for. Play it batter by batter in close games, late in the games.

PuffyPig
12-14-2010, 02:09 PM
Closer by committee. Bring in your best reliever in tough situations whether that's the 7th, 8th or 9th innings.

I would expect that there was a better chance of that happening if it had ever been done by any manager in the history of baseball since the complete game became literally non-existent.

Oxilon
12-14-2010, 02:11 PM
What about Chapman? He wasn't exactly that solid in AAA when he was a starter. But when he's in the pen, he's about as dominant as they come.

Caveat Emperor
12-14-2010, 02:35 PM
Of all the unlikely speculation happening on RZ, Cordero being traded is probably the most out-there.

RFS62
12-14-2010, 03:07 PM
Think about this..... if Chapman is the closer, he could potentially be in any game. As a starter, it's every 5th day, and known in advance.

How many more tickets could we sell if you think any time you go to the park you could see him.

The press too..... every night on sportscenter you'd see how high he lit up the gun.... it would be a public relations bonanza.

Just sayin..

Red Leader
12-14-2010, 03:23 PM
Think about this..... if Chapman is the closer, he could potentially be in any game. As a starter, it's every 5th day, and known in advance.

How many more tickets could we sell if you think any time you go to the park you could see him.

The press too..... every night on sportscenter you'd see how high he lit up the gun.... it would be a public relations bonanza.

Just sayin..

It's all about the media and 'shock value' with you young whippersnappers...:rolleyes:

TRF
12-14-2010, 03:24 PM
Of all the unlikely speculation happening on RZ, Cordero being traded is probably the most out-there.

I'm not speculating he will be traded. I'm stating that his name comes up a LOT here as someone that should be traded. But there is never follow through on who would take his place.

Superdude
12-14-2010, 03:28 PM
Masset. Wouldn't be thrilled about Chapman in that role, but could definitely see it happening

RED VAN HOT
12-14-2010, 04:22 PM
Closer by committee. Bring in your best reliever in tough situations whether that's the 7th, 8th or 9th innings.

This is a favorite theme of mine as well. Many games are lost while the closer is languishing in the pen. 2010 Reds Saves: Cordero 40; Masset 2; Smith 1

RED VAN HOT
12-14-2010, 04:25 PM
Didn't finish my post.

1990 Reds Saves: Myers 31; Dibble 11; Mahler 4; Charlton 2; Layana 2.

redsfan30
12-14-2010, 04:44 PM
Cordero isn't going anywhere. But if for some reason he does, it's be Masset.

Ghosts of 1990
12-14-2010, 04:58 PM
They would give first dibs to Masset based on experience in the 8th inning role, brief experience in save situations, and stuff alone.

buckeyenut
12-14-2010, 07:48 PM
Think about this..... if Chapman is the closer, he could potentially be in any game. As a starter, it's every 5th day, and known in advance.

How many more tickets could we sell if you think any time you go to the park you could see him.

The press too..... every night on sportscenter you'd see how high he lit up the gun.... it would be a public relations bonanza.

Just sayin..
Not to mention that from a PR standpoint, he likely gets a couple extra MPH from being in the pen. He never hits 105 in the rotation.

Jpup
12-14-2010, 09:07 PM
I think Chapman is going the be the closer before the end of 2011. Cordero will probably get to start the year in that role.

GADawg
12-15-2010, 08:32 AM
i'm in the minority that still hasn't given up on Homer but I'm down to one more shot for the guy...that said he looked good coming out of the pen in the playoffs and though he apparently takes awhile to get loose I don't see the problem for a closer....those guys start stretching and loosening up in the 7th most nights

Eric_the_Red
12-15-2010, 09:09 AM
i'm in the minority that still hasn't given up on Homer but I'm down to one more shot for the guy...that said he looked good coming out of the pen in the playoffs and though he apparently takes awhile to get loose I don't see the problem for a closer....those guys start stretching and loosening up in the 7th most nights


Agree 100%. With absolutely no data to back up my hunch, it seems Homer gets through the lineup easily the first time, and then struggles the 2nd and 3rd time through the order. I think he'd make an excellent closer and seems to have the "closer's mentality".

TRF
12-15-2010, 10:15 AM
Homer's stats


By Inning / Pitches AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Pitches 1-15 94 13 25 6 0 2 7 10 0 24 1 0 .266 .333 .394 .727
Pitches 16-30 113 18 33 6 1 5 18 7 2 28 0 0 .292 .344 .496 .840
Pitches 31-45 93 11 25 3 0 3 11 10 0 17 0 0 .269 .340 .398 .738
Pitches 46-60 87 10 18 8 2 1 10 9 1 21 0 0 .207 .289 .379 .668
Pitches 61-75 32 2 8 3 0 0 2 4 0 10 0 0 .250 .333 .344 .677

Eric_the_Red
12-15-2010, 01:48 PM
Homer's stats


By Inning / Pitches AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB HBP SO SB CS AVG OBP SLG OPS
Pitches 1-15 94 13 25 6 0 2 7 10 0 24 1 0 .266 .333 .394 .727
Pitches 16-30 113 18 33 6 1 5 18 7 2 28 0 0 .292 .344 .496 .840
Pitches 31-45 93 11 25 3 0 3 11 10 0 17 0 0 .269 .340 .398 .738
Pitches 46-60 87 10 18 8 2 1 10 9 1 21 0 0 .207 .289 .379 .668
Pitches 61-75 32 2 8 3 0 0 2 4 0 10 0 0 .250 .333 .344 .677

So my hunch was way off. Thanks, TRF! :thumbup: ;)

TRF
12-15-2010, 01:50 PM
that was just last year. his three year splits might show otherwise.