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HUHUH
01-03-2011, 04:10 PM
The Reds were relatively unproductive from the leadoff spot last year. Yet they led the league in just about every important offensive category. While I don't have stats handy to back this up, I would posit that the bottom part of the order was very much relatively productive. It seems Hanigan, Hernandez, Stubbs, Bruce, etc. all produced runs effectively in the 6-8 holes. All of the talk of moving Stubbs to leadoff would affect this production.

Moving Phillips out of the cleanup spot just happened to coincide with the Reds starting to play some good offensive baseball. I think Phillips belongs at the top of the order (1 or 2, I don't care which) and Stubbs should bat lower in the order. And don't bend over trying to find a leadoff hitter. Via last year's example: if it ain't broke.........

Roush's socks
01-03-2011, 05:13 PM
The Reds were relatively unproductive from the leadoff spot last year. Yet they led the league in just about every important offensive category. While I don't have stats handy to back this up, I would posit that the bottom part of the order was very much relatively productive. It seems Hanigan, Hernandez, Stubbs, Bruce, etc. all produced runs effectively in the 6-8 holes. All of the talk of moving Stubbs to leadoff would affect this production.

Moving Phillips out of the cleanup spot just happened to coincide with the Reds starting to play some good offensive baseball. I think Phillips belongs at the top of the order (1 or 2, I don't care which) and Stubbs should bat lower in the order. And don't bend over trying to find a leadoff hitter. Via last year's example: if it ain't broke.........

I agree with this. The Reds offense scored a ton of runs without a traditional leadoff hitter. The one thing they really need right now is a backup 3B to give Rolen some time off. Or, maybe they are happy with Cairo and Francisco as 3B backups.

tobttr
01-04-2011, 02:47 PM
The Reds were relatively unproductive from the leadoff spot last year. Yet they led the league in just about every important offensive category. While I don't have stats handy to back this up, I would posit that the bottom part of the order was very much relatively productive. It seems Hanigan, Hernandez, Stubbs, Bruce, etc. all produced runs effectively in the 6-8 holes. All of the talk of moving Stubbs to leadoff would affect this production.

Moving Phillips out of the cleanup spot just happened to coincide with the Reds starting to play some good offensive baseball. I think Phillips belongs at the top of the order (1 or 2, I don't care which) and Stubbs should bat lower in the order. And don't bend over trying to find a leadoff hitter. Via last year's example: if it ain't broke.........

Good point, HUHUH. And may I say that I really enjoy belonging to a forum in which the word "posit" is used correctly.

BLark = HOF
01-04-2011, 04:10 PM
Not only were we looking for a lead-off hitter, the FO wanted that lead-off hitter to be a LF. And the OF we sign is Jeremy Hermida instead of Fred Lewis. Hmmmm

DocRed
01-04-2011, 04:16 PM
I was just looking at Hermida's minor league stats. It's interesting that he was a fairly proficient base stealer early in his career. I don't know if he had an injury....but that basically came to a complete halt in in 2006.

He was 69 for 79 prior to 2006 or 87.3% at SB attempts.

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/H/jeremy-hermida.shtml

wlf WV
01-04-2011, 09:24 PM
I don't think anyone would disagree that the bottom of the order was very productive.I do believe some of the overall run production was due to anomalies.It's not broke ,but it will never run like that again. I don't see Gomes ever producing like he did the first couple of months(BBC stats,"back of baseball card").Normal digression of older players(Hernandez,Rolen),and less than career years from Hanigan and Phillips.This fan can see room for improvement,I'm not sold on this offense as is.

gedred69
01-04-2011, 10:22 PM
This team's offense will improve greatly if Phillips---the free swinger can bat 2nd rather than 1st. Hermida is a Minor league signing with an invite to big league ST. There is still a strong possibility a Lewis can be signed, in hopes of leading off. And, since the guys coming through the system have been successful the last few years, don't discount Sappelt, Frazier, etc.

urdun
01-05-2011, 02:46 AM
I don't think anyone would disagree that the bottom of the order was very productive.I do believe some of the overall run production was due to anomalies.It's not broke ,but it will never run like that again. I don't see Gomes ever producing like he did the first couple of months(BBC stats,"back of baseball card").Normal digression of older players(Hernandez,Rolen),and less than career years from Hanigan and Phillips.This fan can see room for improvement,I'm not sold on this offense as is.

good post I agree. but I do think phillips can have an even better year if he plays like he did for awhile last season, grinding out ab's. but ramon, gomes, rolen, votto, janish are likely to do worse. heisey, stubbs & bruce are the upside guys but only bruce seems like he has a better than 50% shot at blowing away last years numbers. stubbs and heisey could actually go backwards.

wlf WV
01-05-2011, 01:17 PM
The one thing that I see as a big upside,is starting pitching. I don't know how everyone will perform,but sheer numbers and youthful competition should allow for improvement.

Hondo
01-05-2011, 01:22 PM
This team's offense will improve greatly if Phillips---the free swinger can bat 2nd rather than 1st. Hermida is a Minor league signing with an invite to big league ST. There is still a strong possibility a Lewis can be signed, in hopes of leading off. And, since the guys coming through the system have been successful the last few years, don't discount Sappelt, Frazier, etc.

Brandon Phillips bats .055 points higher in the 2 hole from the Lead Off Position... (.306 to .251)

This team needs to find a Lead Off Hitter... They really haven't had one since the early 90's with Bip Roberts...

Red in Atl
01-06-2011, 01:44 AM
Remember the week that Bruce lead off at the end of the year? Why not give him the shot, if we don't have anyone else?

Bruce
Philips
Votto
Rolen
Gomes
Stubbs
Hanigan/Hernandez
Janish

Hondo
01-06-2011, 01:16 PM
Remember the week that Bruce lead off at the end of the year? Why not give him the shot, if we don't have anyone else?

Bruce
Philips
Votto
Rolen
Gomes
Stubbs
Hanigan/Hernandez
Janish

Ya know... I don't know if Bruce has Blazing Speed but he sure does seem to run the bases well... That may be the best lineup the Reds could go with if the Reds don't upgrade lead off...

Nice Post! :clap:

brm7675
01-06-2011, 01:49 PM
Ya know... I don't know if Bruce has Blazing Speed but he sure does seem to run the bases well... That may be the best lineup the Reds could go with if the Reds don't upgrade lead off...

Nice Post! :clap:

Why would you waste Bruce at leadoff, he is the perfect hitter to hit behind Votto.

Kingspoint
01-06-2011, 03:32 PM
May as well stick Renteria in the top of the order somewhere now.

We all know Baker will be doing so.

Hondo
01-06-2011, 03:43 PM
May as well stick Renteria in the top of the order somewhere now.

We all know Baker will be doing so.

:runawaycr

brm7675
01-06-2011, 03:49 PM
Well we have our leadoff hitter until they ink Scotty P, then we get Scotty P in the leadoff slot followed by Edgar in the 2 slot...boy ole Joey has to be jumping for joy at the thought of the chances to drive in so many runs with those two guys at the top of the lineup...

If I am joey votto I walk in 3 years...

Hondo
01-06-2011, 04:02 PM
Well we have our leadoff hitter until they ink Scotty P, then we get Scotty P in the leadoff slot followed by Edgar in the 2 slot...boy ole Joey has to be jumping for joy at the thought of the chances to drive in so many runs with those two guys at the top of the lineup...

If I am joey votto I walk in 3 years...

Thats the most sense you have ever made since I have been debating you...

Ha Ha

Red in Atl
01-07-2011, 06:16 PM
Why would you waste Bruce at leadoff, he is the perfect hitter to hit behind Votto.

You want to throw all your eggs into a lefty, lefty combo at the two most important spots in the lineup? A nasty loogy strikes them both out more often than not. I'm not a huge fan of Bruce at leadoff, but with what we have for pickings, I think it deserves a look in ST.

Also not a big fan of Rolen batting 4th. The second half of the year showed his "age" holes in his swing and will most likely be emphasized even more this year by the opponent. Maybe you try to boost Gomes' confidence and flip them.

There are still a lot of questions for this lineup, but that's what ST is. A time to answer as many questions as you can.

Walt can always swing a Slobberknocker at the end of ST and floor us all...

Hondo
01-07-2011, 06:39 PM
You want to throw all your eggs into a lefty, lefty combo at the two most important spots in the lineup? A nasty loogy strikes them both out more often than not. I'm not a huge fan of Bruce at leadoff, but with what we have for pickings, I think it deserves a look in ST.

Also not a big fan of Rolen batting 4th. The second half of the year showed his "age" holes in his swing and will most likely be emphasized even more this year by the opponent. Maybe you try to boost Gomes' confidence and flip them.

There are still a lot of questions for this lineup, but that's what ST is. A time to answer as many questions as you can.

Walt can always swing a Slobberknocker at the end of ST and floor us all...

Yeah that famed Homer Bailey to Colorado for Troy Tulowitzki will be timeless for years to come!

brm7675
01-07-2011, 07:00 PM
Yeah that famed Homer Bailey to Colorado for Troy Tulowitzki will be timeless for years to come!

Hondo please...wait for it..

Walt moves Janish to the Cards for Matt Holiday which gives us our LF and frees up monies for the Cards to ink Albert...both sides win...:thumbup: