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WMR
01-04-2011, 12:25 PM
Make a pick.

WMR
01-04-2011, 12:28 PM
Can a mod fix the poll? I set the close date for Jan. 9th but for some reason it is trying to close it on the 5th? Thanks.

RBA
01-04-2011, 12:54 PM
Ducks in a duck walk.

WVRed
01-04-2011, 12:56 PM
As much as I will be pulling for Oregon (would normally pull for a SEC team but given my feelings on the Newton situation I cannot), I think Auburn wins a game in which the defense for both teams might as well stay on the sidelines.

Auburn wins 49-38.

WMR
01-04-2011, 12:57 PM
Ducks in a duck walk.

:lol: :thumbup:

Razor Shines
01-04-2011, 12:59 PM
Unfortunately Auburn

Caveat Emperor
01-04-2011, 01:00 PM
Hoping for the Ducks. They're a fun team to watch.

WMR
01-04-2011, 01:01 PM
Unfortunately Auburn

Don't try to pretend like you don't have your Cam Newton Fathead stuck to the ceiling above your bed so he's the first thing you see when you wake up in the morning... (I know how much taking down your Josh Harrellson fathead must have hurt.) :D

BRM
01-04-2011, 01:06 PM
I have no rooting interest in this game but I think Auburn wins.

Roy Tucker
01-04-2011, 01:26 PM
I voted Oregon but the more I think about it, the more I think Auburn will win.

It is possible in the college game for a stud quarterback to absolutely take over the game and impose his will ala Tim Tebow or Vince Young. I think Cam Newton is cut from the same cloth and will be the difference. If the game is close and Auburn has the ball, push all of your chips in on Auburn.

bucksfan2
01-04-2011, 01:47 PM
There should be a neither choice. I think Auburn wins the game but don't think it lasts the test of time.

Oregon hasn't played against a tough defense nor a team with as much offensive firepower (Stanford was close) as Auburn. I really think this game looks similar to the OSU Oregon Rose Bowl last season with a little more points scored.

gonelong
01-04-2011, 03:03 PM
Give Auburn 1 week to prepare for the Ducks and I'd take the Ducks. Give them a month and I'll take Auburn.

Auburn.

GL

jojo
01-04-2011, 03:43 PM
I voted Auburn but I don't really know and think this is going to be a good game.

15fan
01-04-2011, 04:15 PM
Auburn has had to play some D this year.

Oregon, not so much.

I think the Iraqi Republican Guard or the French Army puts up a better fight against the Cam Newton offense than the Oregon D.

reds1869
01-04-2011, 05:24 PM
I think Auburn will win the game by a wider margin than many expect.

BuckeyeRed27
01-04-2011, 05:29 PM
I want Oregon to win, but I think Auburn will.

I think it will be close at half and Auburn will pull away and win something like 42-27.

paintmered
01-04-2011, 06:40 PM
Can a mod fix the poll? I set the close date for Jan. 9th but for some reason it is trying to close it on the 5th? Thanks.

Done. PM me if it's still not the way you want it.

WMR
01-04-2011, 06:41 PM
Thanks, Paint.

RedFanAlways1966
01-04-2011, 08:18 PM
Auburn by at least 13 points. But what do I know?!? :)

pedro
01-04-2011, 09:08 PM
As much as i hate to say it I think Oregon is going to get whooped.

WMR
01-06-2011, 03:41 PM
bump ... Get your votes in! ;)

Chip R
01-06-2011, 08:48 PM
They certainly keep moving this game farther and farther back. Next thing you know it's going to be the Monday after the Super Bowl.

dabvu2498
01-07-2011, 06:44 AM
My prediction: about 175 snaps and a 4:15 game. And me asleep by the start of the 4th quarter.

jojo
01-07-2011, 08:07 AM
Hopefully no one has waited until the last minute to buy their tickets.....

Roy Tucker
01-07-2011, 01:53 PM
My prediction: about 175 snaps and a 4:15 game. And me asleep by the start of the 4th quarter.

Me too. I have a really hard time staying awake on a Monday night like that. Even the OSU game I nodded off about 3-4 times.

Get off my lawn.

New York Red
01-07-2011, 02:49 PM
Auburn by 10. While the teams' offensive weapons get most of the publicity, I think the game will be determined in the trenches. That's where Auburn will control the game, IMO. Rushing attack (including Newton) + Time of Possesion = Auburn win.

redsfan_12
01-07-2011, 08:19 PM
SEC, SEC, SEC

Unassisted
01-08-2011, 07:40 PM
Don't have a horse in the race, but IMO Auburn is the better horse.

OldRightHander
01-10-2011, 11:32 AM
My heart says Oregon, just because I'm so sick and tired of SEC this and SEC that every time I turn on any sports channels, but my head says that I will probably end up disappointed.

Boston Red
01-10-2011, 12:06 PM
The Vegas books are decidedly on the side of Oregon. They are taking a bath if Auburn wins by more than three.

bucksfan2
01-10-2011, 02:03 PM
Hopefully no one has waited until the last minute to buy their tickets.....

I heard a report on StubHub about the game. What a cluster........

gonelong
01-10-2011, 05:05 PM
The Vegas books are decidedly on the side of Oregon. They are taking a bath if Auburn wins by more than three.


From how I understand it the line moves because money comes in on one side or the other. The initial line is important because the book makes money 10% (or whatever) on the losers. If they can keep 1/2 the money on each side, they win every time. If the line moves alot from the initial, they can get themselves in a spot where they can't control both sides of the bet as well.


If you are talking about something else, I'd love to add to my knowledge base. Can't be a Renaissance man if you don't know something about everything. ;)

Boston Red
01-10-2011, 05:19 PM
From how I understand it the line moves because money comes in on one side or the other. The initial line is important because the book makes money 10% (or whatever) on the losers. If they can keep 1/2 the money on each side, they win every time. If the line moves alot from the initial, they can get themselves in a spot where they can't control both sides of the bet as well.


If you are talking about something else, I'd love to add to my knowledge base. Can't be a Renaissance man if you don't know something about everything. ;)

The line started at Auburn -3. 70% of the money came in on Auburn. The line dropped to Auburn -1. Vegas is taking the Ducks tonight.

kaldaniels
01-10-2011, 05:57 PM
The line started at Auburn -3. 70% of the money came in on Auburn. The line dropped to Auburn -1. Vegas is taking the Ducks tonight.

That doesn't make sense.

Boston Red
01-10-2011, 06:03 PM
It makes sense if the house is inviting even more money to come in on Auburn. Their objective isn't always to even up the amount of money on both sides.

kaldaniels
01-10-2011, 06:23 PM
It makes sense if the house is inviting even more money to come in on Auburn. Their objective isn't always to even up the amount of money on both sides.

Why would they want to do that?

Unless the fix is in....:cool:

kaldaniels
01-10-2011, 06:35 PM
I will say I don't understand how Vegas sets/adjusts the spreads completely.

Of the 4 upcoming games, only 1 has a 50/50 split on the spread...the others have variances from 16 to 38 percent....and I view these stats regularly and this is typical.

I always hear how vegas just wants a 50/50 split...but according my chart from sportsbook.com, that is not the case.

Brutus
01-10-2011, 06:44 PM
I will say I don't understand how Vegas sets/adjusts the spreads completely.

Of the 4 upcoming games, only 1 has a 50/50 split on the spread...the others have variances from 16 to 38 percent....and I view these stats regularly and this is typical.

I always hear how vegas just wants a 50/50 split...but according my chart from sportsbook.com, that is not the case.

Agreed.

Vegas just wants a line to be attractive to a majority of people. They want it to look like an easily attainable line. Once the line gets moving in a direction because of all the action on that line, the momentum slowly turns the other direction and others jump in thinking there's too much focus on the 'trendy' pick. The pendulum swings.

With all that said... Quack. Quack. Quack.

AintlifeGrande
01-10-2011, 07:03 PM
Agreed.

Vegas just wants a line to be attractive to a majority of people. They want it to look like an easily attainable line. Once the line gets moving in a direction because of all the action on that line, the momentum slowly turns the other direction and others jump in thinking there's too much focus on the 'trendy' pick. The pendulum swings.

With all that said... Quack. Quack. Quack.



Amen to that Brutus.With me being a die hard Alabama fan,I would rather rot than pull for the Barners.To heck with this this ''fan of the conference''crap.Oregon could have Charles Manson QB,Bernie Madoff in the backfield,and Hitler split wide to the left,and I would still never pull for Auburn.

jojo
01-10-2011, 07:23 PM
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Amen to that Brutus.With me being a die hard Alabama fan,I would rather rot than pull for the Barners.To heck with this this ''fan of the conference''crap.Oregon could have Charles Manson QB,Bernie Madoff in the backfield,and Hitler split wide to the left,and I would still never pull for Auburn.

If Auburn was all that stood between Hitler and the holocaust, you wouldn't scream War Eagle?

RedsBaron
01-10-2011, 08:33 PM
I'm picking TCU. ;)

Oxilon
01-10-2011, 08:43 PM
What's with the grass? Players are already slipping everywhere...

Boston Red
01-10-2011, 08:49 PM
Defensive struggle!

Brutus
01-10-2011, 08:54 PM
I'm picking TCU. ;)

The AP folks could still technically do that lol

Oxilon
01-10-2011, 09:09 PM
Here's a novel concept...stop throwing interceptions!

Brutus
01-10-2011, 09:15 PM
I think Oregon, turnovers aside, is asserting itself much better right now than Auburn. I think Auburn is more physical, but the tempo and speed is effecting Auburn more so than the Ducks.

Ducks quacking on the door, trying to start the second quarter with a score -- something both teams failed to do in Q1.

RedsBaron
01-10-2011, 09:50 PM
Poor 4th down pass by Newton cost Auburn a TD.

jojo
01-10-2011, 09:57 PM
Poor 4th down pass by Newton cost Auburn a TD.

safety! OMG this is a game.... I'm so hoping Auburn drives to end the half and then also punches in the first drive of the second half too...

jojo
01-10-2011, 09:59 PM
Tsunami offense....

jojo
01-10-2011, 10:04 PM
Really stupid penalty...embarrassing...

BuckeyeRed27
01-10-2011, 10:15 PM
Good half there. Took both teams a few drives to settle in but that's typical in these games. Teams look pretty even. Either could take it. Not sure these would be the two teams to emerge from a 8 or 16 game playoff.

That 32 for auburn should have been ejected for that stupid penalty.

LoganBuck
01-10-2011, 10:19 PM
Whoever the clown is that picks Oregon's uniform combinations, needs to be smacked. Are there actually people that think that is cool?

RedsBaron
01-10-2011, 10:22 PM
Good half there. Took both teams a few drives to settle in but that's typical in these games. Teams look pretty even. Either could take it. Not sure these would be the two teams to emerge from a 8 or 16 game playoff.

That 32 for auburn should have been ejected for that stupid penalty.

I agree on all points, including that #32 should be gone.
I expect scoring to pick up in the second half and I expect Auburn to win (unfortunately).

jojo
01-10-2011, 10:25 PM
On one hand I'm over confident about adjustments at halftime given Auburn's coaching staff...on the other hand, I'm very worried about adjustments given Oregon's coaching staff... Auburn's defense seemed to sit for most of the second quarter....that could turn out to be important.

jojo
01-10-2011, 10:26 PM
Whoever the clown is that picks Oregon's uniform combinations, needs to be smacked. Are there actually people that think that is cool?

Nike....but ya....Oregon should be penalized 15yards for the socks alone...

Brutus
01-10-2011, 10:33 PM
Whoever the clown is that picks Oregon's uniform combinations, needs to be smacked. Are there actually people that think that is cool?

Believe it or not, I read that Oregon's garb is the second best selling of all college sports teams this past year. Can't remember where I read it, but kids love their colors/uniforms. So whoever the clown is that designs them is apparently doing their job.

LoganBuck
01-10-2011, 10:40 PM
Believe it or not, I read that Oregon's garb is the second best selling of all college sports teams this past year. Can't remember where I read it, but kids love their colors/uniforms. So whoever the clown is that designs them is apparently doing their job.

Yes and people watch the Kardashians. Doesn't make it right.

BuckeyeRed27
01-10-2011, 10:50 PM
Nick fairley being nick fairley. That dirty stuff has to stop. He's too talented.

Caveat Emperor
01-10-2011, 10:54 PM
The ducks need a pep-talk from this guy:

http://i41.tinypic.com/2u7lh8z.jpg

paintmered
01-10-2011, 11:00 PM
The under's looking to be a solid pick.

Brutus
01-10-2011, 11:06 PM
Chip sure has some giant genitalia.

Brutus
01-10-2011, 11:06 PM
Yes and people watch the Kardashians. Doesn't make it right.

Right? What's wrong about it? The purpose of marketing is to sell. If it's selling, I'd say that does make it right.

jojo
01-10-2011, 11:08 PM
what a goal line stand by Auburn...

kaldaniels
01-10-2011, 11:13 PM
The under's looking to be a solid pick.

I was on that weeks ago. Please no OT.:D

Cedric
01-10-2011, 11:14 PM
I really hate saying this but TCU looks like the best team this year.

Auburn is very average and Oregon is getting exposed like always. It's just sad that Alabama choked and allowed this crappy game to happen.

kaldaniels
01-10-2011, 11:26 PM
I really hate saying this but TCU looks like the best team this year.

Auburn is very average and Oregon is getting exposed like always. It's just sad that Alabama choked and allowed this crappy game to happen.

Just my personal opinion but I don't think TCU runs the table if they played the SEC schedule. From which I conclude Auburn is the better team.

Cedric
01-10-2011, 11:28 PM
Just my personal opinion but I don't think TCU runs the table if they played the SEC schedule. From which I conclude Auburn is the better team.

I'm saying one game I like TCU to beat either of these teams. Wiscy and OSU would beat Oregon also, IMO.

OnBaseMachine
01-10-2011, 11:37 PM
Hopefully the NCAA comes to their senses and strips this title from Auburn.

Cedric
01-10-2011, 11:38 PM
Dream scenario for me. Oregon gets exposed again and Auburn will get their win voided in a few years.

Plus the game is just terrible and both teams look horrible. The system needs a complete overhaul. 36 days between games is just a disaster and ruins the final product.

texasdave
01-10-2011, 11:51 PM
Halftime adjustments have resulted in three points so far.
Sweet.

Caveat Emperor
01-10-2011, 11:55 PM
For everyone else who enjoyed Brent Musburger's "Touchdown!" fake-out earlier -- the Brent Musburger Drinking Game:

http://www.thiswebsitestinks.com/downloads/tk_brent_drink.mp3

OnBaseMachine
01-11-2011, 12:02 AM
Oregon blew it by wasting their timeouts.

OnBaseMachine
01-11-2011, 12:06 AM
Well, the cheater won. Enjoy it, hopefully it will last long if the NCAA comes to their senses.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:07 AM
Well, the cheater won. Enjoy it, hopefully it will last long if the NCAA comes to their senses.

Enjoy this one. Oregon got exposed like always and Cam played terrible. He will be in prison or broke within five years.

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:09 AM
why kick it? wow..u got 2 time outs?

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:11 AM
Byrum beat KY on a last second field goal..

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:13 AM
Great game....another SEC win.

Oxilon
01-11-2011, 12:15 AM
Don't know if I'd say it was a great game. Definitely an entertaining ending, but the other 55 minutes were pretty boring if you ask me.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:17 AM
According to Cam Newton Jesus loves him and hates Chip Kelly.

I'm thoroughly confused.

kaldaniels
01-11-2011, 12:17 AM
Come take your medicine Pac 10 apologists. They hung with, but the SEC is on top again.

jojo
01-11-2011, 12:18 AM
Come take your medicine Pac 10 apologists. They hung with, but the SEC is on top again.

WAR EAGLE!!!!!

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:19 AM
Come take your medicine Pac 10 apologists. They hung with, but the SEC is on top again.

This win will most likely be vacated soon.

OnBaseMachine
01-11-2011, 12:20 AM
This win will most likely be vacated soon.

Hopefully.

jojo
01-11-2011, 12:20 AM
This win will most likely be vacated soon.


at least wait five minutes before trolling......

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 12:21 AM
Enjoy this one. Oregon got exposed like always and Cam played terrible. He will be in prison or broke within five years.

I think Cam got hurt late in the game. He toughed it out after that

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:21 AM
at least wait five minutes before trolling......

It's extremely likely. How is that trolling?

jojo
01-11-2011, 12:22 AM
WAR EAGLE!!!!!!!!

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:23 AM
It's extremely likely. How is that trolling? the only money that changed hands happened at Ohio St.

paintmered
01-11-2011, 12:23 AM
the only money that changed hands happened at Ohio St.

Just stop. All of you. For the love of RFS's early-bird special, stop.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 12:24 AM
Let's hear it for the SEC. 5 straight national champions by 4 different teams. We may never see that again in our lifetime. Even those who are jealous of the SEC ought to admit this feat

Boston Red
01-11-2011, 12:24 AM
Vegas got off the hook. Basically broke even.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:24 AM
Let's here it for the SEC. 5 straight national champions by 4 different teams. We may never see that again in our lifetime. Even those who are jealous of the SEC ought to admit this feat

Ohio State fans don't have to be jealous of anyone. No matter what way you slice the numbers over the last half century.

jojo
01-11-2011, 12:25 AM
It's extremely likely. How is that trolling?

That is simply BS. Cam is eligible without condition. The NCAA is not investigating Auburn's recruitment of him and has said on multiple occasions that there is no evidence his recruitment was problematic.

That's why it's trolling....it's inflammatory without basis in fact.

paintmered
01-11-2011, 12:25 AM
Dang, sore winners and losers abound tonight.

kaldaniels
01-11-2011, 12:26 AM
In specific terms/reasoning, (lets say Newton got benefits) why would Auburn's title be vacated, when the Reggie Bush title at USC still stands (right?)?

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 12:26 AM
Ohio State fans don't have to be jealous of anyone. No matter what way you slice the numbers over the last half century.

I sense a lot of jealousy

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:27 AM
Vegas got off the hook. Basically broke even. there goal is to break even. they want the same amount of money bet on both teams. They win 10% from the winners. If you bet $100 and you won you get back $190. That is called the 'juice'

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:27 AM
I sense a lot of jealousy

I root for teams, not conferences.

If Newton and Auburn don't blatantly cheat I have nothing against them.. At all.

I think Alabama is the best team this year by far and just had things go against them.

Edit- Alabama and TCU are my top two teams this year. Though Alabama clearly blew their chance and I'm not saying they deserved the title.. Just pure talent.

jojo
01-11-2011, 12:28 AM
I sense a lot of jealousy

And a lot of bitterness....

Boston Red
01-11-2011, 12:28 AM
there goal is to break even. they want the same amount of money bet on both teams. They win 10% from the winners. If you bet $100 and you won you get back $190. That is called the 'juice'

Vegas was HEAVILY exposed to Auburn -3. That push saved Vegas millions.

jojo
01-11-2011, 12:29 AM
Dang, sore winners and losers abound tonight.
Sore winner? Where?

Brutus
01-11-2011, 12:30 AM
That is simply BS. Cam is eligible without condition. The NCAA is not investigating Auburn's recruitment of him and has said on multiple occasions that there is no evidence his recruitment was problematic.

That's why it's trolling....it's inflammatory without basis in fact.

You haven't been ahead of the curve on what the NCAA has actually said, interpreted and ruled this entire process.

The same report that got this whole story right from the beginning, said "the money was too good."

That was Cam's words.

Bottom line: the NCAA will put down the hammer if/when this FBI stuff comes to fruition. They had their hands tied (though solicitation should have been enough).

kaldaniels
01-11-2011, 12:30 AM
Throw us a bone paintmered :D We've been discussing whether or not Auburn/Oregon/SEC/PAC-10 is better for 2+ months now, and we finally have one data point to utilize. How about turning and looking the other way on this one. :D

Seriously, as long as nothing is personal let us have at it for a bit. :beerme:

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:32 AM
Vegas was HEAVILY exposed to Auburn -3. That push saved Vegas millions.

so your saying there was a lot more money bet on Auburn? if that is the case whoever set the spread did not do a good job, because like I said, they want to set the spread so the money is split 50/50 and they win the juice. They don't want to leave it to chance.

paintmered
01-11-2011, 12:32 AM
Throw us a bone paintmered :D We've been discussing whether or not Auburn/Oregon/SEC/PAC-10 is better for 2+ months now, and we finally have one data point utilize. How about turning and looking the other way on this one. :D

Seriously, as long as nothing is personal let us have at it for a bit. :beerme:

I got my orders. So sure, why not? Have at it.

I'll let the new crop of mods clean up instead. ;)

kaldaniels
01-11-2011, 12:33 AM
I got my orders. So sure, why not? Have at it.

That said I'm going to bed. :D You're a good man paintmered. :thumbup:

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:34 AM
And a lot of bitterness....

Auburn is pretty much a rogue program with little history. They are known more for being a dirty program with countless players that couldn't even read graduate.

Why would anyone be bitter about that kind of program? I'm bitter that ESPN and the NCAA sold out for the cash in this game and the Sugar Bowl.

Boston Red
01-11-2011, 12:35 AM
so your saying there was a lot more money bet on Auburn? if that is the case whoever set the spread did not do a good job, because like I said, they want to set the spread so the money is split 50/50 and they win the juice. They don't want to leave it to chance.

Not always. Vegas was playing Oregon tonight. They got bailed out.

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:36 AM
Not always. Vegas was playing Oregon tonight. They got bailed out. I don't understand...explain. Seriously I don't understand.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 12:39 AM
Vegas was HEAVILY exposed to Auburn -3. That push saved Vegas millions.

I'm not a gambler so forgive me, but does that mean that nobody won or lost? If so then doesn't that hurt Vegas? Don't they want to beat someone?

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:40 AM
I'm not a gambler so forgive me, but does that mean that nobody won or lost? If so then doesn't that hurt Vegas? Don't they want to beat someone? this is my point...they are just happy with the 10% juice

Boston Red
01-11-2011, 12:40 AM
I don't understand...explain. Seriously I don't understand.

Sometimes Vegas takes a side. On this game, the opening line was Auburn -3. 70% of the money was on Auburn, and the line actually slipped to a pick em by kickoff. The Sagarin predictor had Oregon as a 7 point favorite, so my guess is that that the Vegas oddsmakers saw Oregon as the better team as well but were willing to let Auburn bettors give 3 points for tons of money for the last month.

As it turns out, they came out with a push.

kaldaniels
01-11-2011, 12:41 AM
This is why you just can't be a know-it-all on events yet to be determined in the internet age. Your words will haunt you. Be it in opinion pieces,blogs, or message boards. From my favorite college football writer.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/12/16/auburn.hire/1.html

George Foster
01-11-2011, 12:42 AM
Sometimes Vegas takes a side. On this game, the opening line was Auburn -3. 70% of the money was on Auburn, and the line actually slipped to a pick em by kickoff. The Sagarin predictor had Oregon as a 7 point favorite, so my guess is that that the Vegas oddsmakers saw Oregon as the better team as well but were willing to let Auburn bettors give 3 points for tons of money for the last month.

As it turns out, they came out with a push. thankyou for explaining that.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 12:44 AM
This is why you just can't be a know-it-all on events yet to be determined in the internet age. Your words will haunt you. Be it in opinion pieces,blogs, or message boards. From my favorite college football writer.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/stewart_mandel/12/16/auburn.hire/1.html

Nice find

kaldaniels
01-11-2011, 12:45 AM
Nice find

I only remember it cause Mandel did own up to it a month or two ago...but it still looks silly today.

KronoRed
01-11-2011, 12:51 AM
Hopefully the NCAA comes to their senses and strips this title from Auburn.

The NCAA doesn't officially award a title so they really have nothing to take away.

USCw didn't have theirs taken away by the BCS or AP so I think this one is going to stand.

jojo
01-11-2011, 12:58 AM
The NCAA doesn't officially award a title so they really have nothing to take away.

USCw didn't have theirs taken away by the BCS or AP so I think this one is going to stand.

Then there's that whole there isn't a reason to strip thing too....

Caveat Emperor
01-11-2011, 01:26 AM
Come take your medicine Pac 10 apologists. They hung with, but the SEC is on top again.

The layoff is killer for a gimmick offense -- gives the opposition more time to gameplan and study film.

And really, I fail to see how Oregon and the Pac 10 have anything to apologize for. They took Auburn's best shot, left points on the field, and still only lost by a trey.

Congrats to Aubie and their fans. Don't know how you can root for someone like Cam Newton, but a BCS title is a BCS title, I suppose.

Brutus
01-11-2011, 01:28 AM
Then there's that whole there isn't a reason to strip thing too....

I can think of $180,000 reasons...

WMR
01-11-2011, 07:22 AM
Here is a thread detailing exactly why the SEC roots for one another so solidly for those from without who struggle to understand or empathize with the kinship and camaraderie many SEC fans share. (From the opinions of UK fans posed the question...)

http://kentucky.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1430&tid=153323840&mid=153323840&sid=888&style=2


Sports Illustrated had an article on this very subject in their SEC pre-season football magazine. Basically said it goes back to the 1800's and how the south has been portrayed since then. Always put down we're not educated all the stuff. Because of that, football has been the 1 thing that the south has been good at and dominated the other regions of the country and took such great pride in the fact that the south was actually winning at something.
Not sure if you can the article online or not but it made sense. I always pull for the SEC in every sport and I do take pride in being a southerner and love seeing SEC teams whip up on the midwest and east coast.


The SEC cheer goes up in the NCAA basketball tournament every year the teams do something, just like football. The year Miss St. made the Final Four, the Florida teams that won and Tennessee did it last year when they beat Ohio St in the Sweet Sixteen. I'm willing to take a guess and say, if you're asking why we do this, you probably don't consider yourself Southern. The simple answer is we have a lot of pride and feel a close kinship with our sister states.


If you have to ask why? no amount of explaining will make you understand it. Just know this, we Southerners stick together on every thing from football to elections. For everyone reading this, don't let these guys make you feel bad because you're loyal to all things Southern.



I went to the BBVA bowl game on Saturday, and every last Alabama and Auburn fan (and there were a ton of them) were yelling their butts off for UK to win. They chanted SEC, and raised hell when Kentucky was on defense. The guy behind me (an Auburn fan) kept pepping up the people around him saying "well I think we'll score this time" or "comon, cats, hold 'em!"

The SEC is not only the best conference in college football, they are the classiest. NO OTHER CONFERENCE cheers its teams on like the SEC does. I think that makes us unique. And, I think that's what it's all about. Pride.

Notice from that link that not everyone 'gets it' but I definitely align with the selected comments above. I love watching the SEC do well. In any sport.

Oregon gets a lot of respect from me. They are a damn good football team, not just a flashy gimmick.

Roy Tucker
01-11-2011, 08:04 AM
I was reaching to turn off the TV when Matthews punched the ball out of Newton's arms to set up Oregon's last score. I want that 45 minutes of sleep back.

This game was won by the Auburn line play.

Nick Fairley just collapsed the Oregon OL time and again. It completely took away Oregon's ability to run between the tackles.

And Auburn's OL owned the Oregon defense. That #5 freshman back just ripped through the gut of the Oregon defense all night.

Nice win by Auburn and the SEC does look awfully tough. Oregon played about as well as they could have though. They remind me of Boise State. Lots of formations and movement and misdirection that confounds the heck out of average teams.

MWM
01-11-2011, 08:04 AM
I've heard all that stuff before, and they're right, I still don't get it. It makes no earthly sense to me. And on top of that, I ask "so what"? What's it all mean? I think the people who are littering my FB page with SEC chants and the inevitable mood in the office today of everyone claiming a national title (even though I don't know a single Auburn alum here) just look silly.

Auburn fans should be celebrating like anyone else would, but UK fans? Ole Miss fans? Really? The reason people "don't get it" is because they have no interest in it, not because they're aren't as advanced in their fandom as southerners. I think it's more because it just seems like a silly thing to do. That's why you really don't see it anywhere else.

There's no way around the fact that it's impressive to have 4 different teams win the BCS in a 5 year stretch. This is the heyday for the SEC. I only wish the fanbase would let everyone else recognize it rather than it being forced on us with the constant "we're better than you" comments waiting around every corner in every college football discussion out there. No one likes to be condescended to, so it shouldn't be a surprise when some folks don't react well when it happens.

And I'm not trying to detract from the accomplishment, but people should realize that this isn't the same as if there were a playoff. Only two teams get the chance to play for the title every year, so you have to be selected for the game to have the chance to win this many in a row. So for 5 straight years, an SEC team is one of only two teams chosen, hence the only conference with the chance to do this. The last two years they had an undefeated team, one of only two from major conferences. The 3 years before that, they didn't have undefeated teams, yet their 1 loss teams - and even 2 loss team in 2007 - always got the nod for the BCS title game. Why? Because they're in the SEC. So while it's certainly impressive to win, they get the benefit of every doubt when it comes to choosing only two teams that get to play for it each year. We could debate whether it's warranted or not, but it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison with other conferences when it comes to BCS title games. Whenever there are other teams out there with 0 losses or just 1 loss, the SEC is going to get the nod. Again, under the current system we could debate if that were right or wrong, but what's not debatable is the lack of fairness in that.

To me, this is just more evidence for the need for a playoff.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 08:50 AM
I've heard all that stuff before, and they're right, I still don't get it. It makes no earthly sense to me. And on top of that, I ask "so what"? What's it all mean? I think the people who are littering my FB page with SEC chants and the inevitable mood in the office today of everyone claiming a national title (even though I don't know a single Auburn alum here) just look silly.

Auburn fans should be celebrating like anyone else would, but UK fans? Ole Miss fans? Really? The reason people "don't get it" is because they have no interest in it, not because they're aren't as advanced in their fandom as southerners. I think it's more because it just seems like a silly thing to do. That's why you really don't see it anywhere else.

There's no way around the fact that it's impressive to have 4 different teams win the BCS in a 5 year stretch. This is the heyday for the SEC. I only wish the fanbase would let everyone else recognize it rather than it being forced on us with the constant "we're better than you" comments waiting around every corner in every college football discussion out there. No one likes to be condescended to, so it shouldn't be a surprise when some folks don't react well when it happens.

And I'm not trying to detract from the accomplishment, but people should realize that this isn't the same as if there were a playoff. Only two teams get the chance to play for the title every year, so you have to be selected for the game to have the chance to win this many in a row. So for 5 straight years, an SEC team is one of only two teams chosen, hence the only conference with the chance to do this. The last two years they had an undefeated team, one of only two from major conferences. The 3 years before that, they didn't have undefeated teams, yet their 1 loss teams - and even 2 loss team in 2007 - always got the nod for the BCS title game. Why? Because they're in the SEC. So while it's certainly impressive to win, they get the benefit of every doubt when it comes to choosing only two teams that get to play for it each year. We could debate whether it's warranted or not, but it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison with other conferences when it comes to BCS title games. Whenever there are other teams out there with 0 losses or just 1 loss, the SEC is going to get the nod. Again, under the current system we could debate if that were right or wrong, but what's not debatable is the lack of fairness in that.

To me, this is just more evidence for the need for a playoff.

Perfectly said.

It's just another way for fans of crappy schools to ride the coattails and brag about their teams. They can try and spin that anyway they want.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 09:18 AM
There's no way around the fact that it's impressive to have 4 different teams win the BCS in a 5 year stretch. This is the heyday for the SEC. I only wish the fanbase would let everyone else recognize it rather than it being forced on us with the constant "we're better than you" comments waiting around every corner in every college football discussion out there. No one likes to be condescended to, so it shouldn't be a surprise when some folks don't react well when it happens.

And I'm not trying to detract from the accomplishment, but people should realize that this isn't the same as if there were a playoff. Only two teams get the chance to play for the title every year, so you have to be selected for the game to have the chance to win this many in a row. So for 5 straight years, an SEC team is one of only two teams chosen, hence the only conference with the chance to do this. The last two years they had an undefeated team, one of only two from major conferences. The 3 years before that, they didn't have undefeated teams, yet their 1 loss teams - and even 2 loss team in 2007 - always got the nod for the BCS title game. Why? Because they're in the SEC. So while it's certainly impressive to win, they get the benefit of every doubt when it comes to choosing only two teams that get to play for it each year. We could debate whether it's warranted or not, but it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison with other conferences when it comes to BCS title games. Whenever there are other teams out there with 0 losses or just 1 loss, the SEC is going to get the nod. Again, under the current system we could debate if that were right or wrong, but what's not debatable is the lack of fairness in that.

To me, this is just more evidence for the need for a playoff.

Sounds like you've got some idiots in your office. Folks around here are just saying what you are: that the SEC is in an incredible run.

Since they keep winning, I'd say their inclusion in the game is warranted.

As a fan, I enjoy the competition of the SEC. Look at all the close calls Auburn had this year. Alabama was very good yet they lost 2 or 3 games. How many close calls did Wisconsin and OSU have? They each dropped a game but for the most part they won their other Big Ten matchups comfortably.

No question we need a playoff

WMR
01-11-2011, 09:28 AM
Perfectly said.

It's just another way for fans of crappy schools to ride the coattails and brag about their teams. They can try and spin that anyway they want.

Absolute nonsense. Why do Bama fans cheer on Vandy? Why were Auburn/Bama fans cheering on UK at their bowl game? It sure isn't because they're trying to ride coattails. :lol:

CONFERENCE PRIDE/ALLEGIANCE in the SEC goes from top to bottom and bottom to top. Fact.

Just accept that we're different from you and move on. We're not changing.

By the way: it's not like it's just SEC fans. We've got a couple big Pac-10 fans on this very board (OBM and RBA).

Cedric
01-11-2011, 09:49 AM
Absolute nonsense. Why do Bama fans cheer on Vandy? Why were Auburn/Bama fans cheering on UK at their bowl game? It sure isn't because they're trying to ride coattails. :lol:

CONFERENCE PRIDE/ALLEGIANCE in the SEC goes from top to bottom and bottom to top. Fact.

Just accept that we're different from you and move on. We're not changing.

We're different from me? Are you an alien or breathe through gills?

You are just another fan that is trying to find a way to pound his chest. And quite frankly in talking about college football you have no right to do that. You root for a terrible team with little to no history. Deal with that and move on.

WMR
01-11-2011, 09:55 AM
We're different from me? Are you an alien or breathe through gills?

You are just another fan that is trying to find a way to pound his chest. And quite frankly in talking about college football you have no right to do that. You root for a terrible team with little to no history. Deal with that and move on.

Please never call another fanbase arrogant again.

No pounding of chest either. I've never used SEC dominance to make some overarching statements about the quality of my team or tried to build up my team on the back of the accomplishments of my team's conference peers.

I love SEC football and will ALWAYS root for them when they play a team out of conference (along with millions of other SEC fans...). Whether I'm Bama fan rooting for UK to beat Florida State or UK fan rooting for Florida to beat Ohio State. It's just how it is. Go to the message boards of the top dogs of the conference (LSU, Florida) and ask them if they root for other SEC teams in bowl games.

(PS That team I root for, the one with "little to no history" HAS won a national championship in football. How many teams have won a national title? Just sayin'.)

NJReds
01-11-2011, 09:57 AM
I thought Oregon would win, but I didn't have a real rooting interest in the game. I wish this game had been a month ago, as I think the quality of play would've been much better. Both teams looked a little "off."

Hoosier Red
01-11-2011, 10:14 AM
Sore winner? Where?

Congrats JoJo, I certainly wasn't cheering for them, but that's quite a great thing to see.

Boston Red
01-11-2011, 10:15 AM
(PS That team I root for, the one with "little to no history" HAS won a national championship in football. How many teams have won a national title? Just sayin'.)


That's debateable (and could be the subject of its own thread). I think that "title" was awarded 40 or 50 years after the actual season was played.

OnBaseMachine
01-11-2011, 10:21 AM
I've heard all that stuff before, and they're right, I still don't get it. It makes no earthly sense to me. And on top of that, I ask "so what"? What's it all mean? I think the people who are littering my FB page with SEC chants and the inevitable mood in the office today of everyone claiming a national title (even though I don't know a single Auburn alum here) just look silly.

Auburn fans should be celebrating like anyone else would, but UK fans? Ole Miss fans? Really? The reason people "don't get it" is because they have no interest in it, not because they're aren't as advanced in their fandom as southerners. I think it's more because it just seems like a silly thing to do. That's why you really don't see it anywhere else.

There's no way around the fact that it's impressive to have 4 different teams win the BCS in a 5 year stretch. This is the heyday for the SEC. I only wish the fanbase would let everyone else recognize it rather than it being forced on us with the constant "we're better than you" comments waiting around every corner in every college football discussion out there. No one likes to be condescended to, so it shouldn't be a surprise when some folks don't react well when it happens.

And I'm not trying to detract from the accomplishment, but people should realize that this isn't the same as if there were a playoff. Only two teams get the chance to play for the title every year, so you have to be selected for the game to have the chance to win this many in a row. So for 5 straight years, an SEC team is one of only two teams chosen, hence the only conference with the chance to do this. The last two years they had an undefeated team, one of only two from major conferences. The 3 years before that, they didn't have undefeated teams, yet their 1 loss teams - and even 2 loss team in 2007 - always got the nod for the BCS title game. Why? Because they're in the SEC. So while it's certainly impressive to win, they get the benefit of every doubt when it comes to choosing only two teams that get to play for it each year. We could debate whether it's warranted or not, but it's not exactly an apples to apples comparison with other conferences when it comes to BCS title games. Whenever there are other teams out there with 0 losses or just 1 loss, the SEC is going to get the nod. Again, under the current system we could debate if that were right or wrong, but what's not debatable is the lack of fairness in that.

To me, this is just more evidence for the need for a playoff.

Great post.

WMR
01-11-2011, 10:22 AM
Great post.

Aren't you a USC fan? Why would you be cheering for Oregon?

OnBaseMachine
01-11-2011, 10:24 AM
Aren't you a USC fan? Why would you be cheering for Oregon?

I was rooting more against Auburn because like everyone else, I'm tired of hearing about the SEC and Cam Newton.

WMR
01-11-2011, 10:25 AM
I was rooting more against Auburn because like everyone else, I'm tired of hearing about the SEC and Cam Newton.

Okay so people are allowed to hate the SEC and root against the conference but rooting FOR the SEC is a no-no?

If it's okay for you to hate them, I hope you don't mind me cheering them on. (Don't worry, I'll be doing it anyway. ;))

BuckeyeRed27
01-11-2011, 11:24 AM
Two years in a row a super high powered Oregon offense has come into a bowl game and scored 17 and 19 points and lost both games. Not sure if that has more to do with the quality of the defense, the lack of Pac 10 defense or the huge layoff, but it is interesting.

Congrats to Auburn. That was a strange game though.

jojo
01-11-2011, 11:29 AM
Absolute nonsense. Why do Bama fans cheer on Vandy? Why were Auburn/Bama fans cheering on UK at their bowl game? It sure isn't because they're trying to ride coattails. :lol:

CONFERENCE PRIDE/ALLEGIANCE in the SEC goes from top to bottom and bottom to top. Fact.

Just accept that we're different from you and move on. We're not changing.

By the way: it's not like it's just SEC fans. We've got a couple big Pac-10 fans on this very board (OBM and RBA).

It's just an incredible college football experience...


I could care less about which conference is best. I love the tradition and passion of SEC football, the intensity of the rivalries, the high quality of the game day experience, and the world class tailgating with some of the most knowledgeable college football fans concerning the history of their programs that I've ever seen. I've been immersed in big 10, PAC-10, big east, and SEC football and IMHO, the SEC experience is easily the best.

That of course is a matter of opinion.

Here's some facts. Since the start of the BCS, the SEC also has the best record in BCS bowl games relative to their automatic bid peers (the MWC has won 3 of their 4 appearances so their winning percentage is slightly better than the SEC's). Concerning the BCS bowl game that matters most, the SEC has won 7 of the 12 bowl championship games that weren't vacated (sorry PAC-10 about USC but their sanctions mean the PAC-10 has only legitimately appeared in 1 championship game).

SEC fans are ultra passionate about college football and their conference has tended to reward them on the field far more than any other conference in the NCAA.

In other words, if SEC fans are exceptionally proud of their conference, it would seem to be a reasonable position to adopt.

pedro
01-11-2011, 11:32 AM
I lived in Atlanta for 10 years and have to say that SEC fans in general seem a bit over the top to me. It could be pretty hard to take from time to time.

jojo
01-11-2011, 11:34 AM
Two years in a row a super high powered Oregon offense has come into a bowl game and scored 17 and 19 points and lost both games. Not sure if that has more to do with the quality of the defense, the lack of Pac 10 defense or the huge layoff, but it is interesting.

Congrats to Auburn. That was a strange game though.

There was a total of 10 punts last night.

WMR
01-11-2011, 11:45 AM
By the by... congrats to Jojo on his team's victory. I still remember vividly the absolute joy and elation I felt in 1996 and 1998 when UK won their last basketball championships. You want the feeling to just keep on keepin' on forever. The memories will get better and become even more treasured as time passes.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 11:52 AM
I was rooting more against Auburn because like everyone else, I'm tired of hearing about the SEC and Cam Newton.

I understand the Cam Newton stuff but what are your issues with the SEC? Don't you respect what they've done?

Cedric
01-11-2011, 11:54 AM
I lived in Atlanta for 10 years and have to say that SEC fans in general seem a bit over the top to me. It could be pretty hard to take from time to time.

They don't have pro teams really. This is all they have with sports. I assume we would all be the same..

That's probably why they are willing to do anything to win down there. It's cutthroat and without cheating you would easily fall back into the pack.

There is a reason that the SEC has had at least one team on probation for the last 25 years straight.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 11:56 AM
They don't have pro teams really. This is all they have with sports. I assume we would all be the same..

That's probably why they are willing to do anything to win down there. It's cutthroat and without cheating you would easily fall back into the pack.

There is a reason that the SEC has had at least one team on probation for the last 25 years straight.

No pro teams in Atlanta?

The south goes all out for football and only football. Outside of Kentucky, basketball is an afterthought for SEC schools

Cedric
01-11-2011, 11:58 AM
No pro teams in Atlanta?

The south goes all out for football and only football. Outside of Kentucky, basketball is an afterthought for SEC schools

Passion leads to desperation..

Again there is a reason that teams over sign/cheat/do anything to win.

It's also reasonable and understandable from my point of view why these teams cheat. But I'm really surprised you can't see why others think it's a sleeze ball league.

MWM
01-11-2011, 11:59 AM
Okay so people are allowed to hate the SEC and root against the conference but rooting FOR the SEC is a no-no?


You're missing the point, WMR. It's not the passion or the rooting, it's the "we're better than you" mentality that constantly comes with it. I don't think anyone cares how much southerners care about colleget football. What I don't get is the need to constantly tell others that they don't measure up. Different, fine? Superior, not so much.

We hear about the SEC is the "best experience" in college football and "by a longshot." Well, I lived right next to the stadium in Ann Arbor for two years and football saturdays there were an incredible experience. It's presumptuous to think it's "better" in the south just because it's different.

I can assure you that Michigan Alumni base who have been coming back to Ann Arbor for decades have the experience that they want. If you took them and transplanted them in Gainesville or Athens, I don't think they'd have any interest in making the Michigan experience more like a typical SEC experience. They like what they have and it's reflection of the alumni and student culture, much like the SEC experience. An SEC person might be bored in Ann Arbor. A Michigan alum would probably be annoyed by all the things that go on in an SEC experience.

It goes beyond just the fan experience. The play on the field is different in ways that reflect the cultures of the universities and alumni bases. There are a lot of things that are a big part of watching a typical SEC game that you just don't see in the Big Ten very often and I hope it stays that way. They might not bother the SEC fanbase, but they just don't go over too well in the Big Ten culture. I'm not suggesting it's better, just different. Different things are valued in different cultures and college football is no different. The SEC does have a monopoly on great college football experience.

OnBaseMachine
01-11-2011, 11:59 AM
I understand the Cam Newton stuff but what are your issues with the SEC? Don't you respect what they've done?

My issue is with the arrogant/cocky SEC fans.

dabvu2498
01-11-2011, 12:12 PM
You're missing the point, WMR. It's not the passion or the rooting, it's the "we're better than you" mentality that constantly comes with it. I don't think anyone cares how much southerners care about colleget football. What I don't get is the need to constantly tell others that they don't measure up. Different, fine? Superior, not so much.

We hear about the SEC is the "best experience" in college football and "by a longshot." Well, I lived right next to the stadium in Ann Arbor for two years and football saturdays there were an incredible experience. It's presumptuous to think it's "better" in the south just because it's different.

I can assure you that Michigan Alumni base who have been coming back to Ann Arbor for decades have the experience that they want. If you took them and transplanted them in Gainesville or Athens, I don't think they'd have any interest in making the Michigan experience more like a typical SEC experience. They like what they have and it's reflection of the alumni and student culture, much like the SEC experience. An SEC person might be bored in Ann Arbor. A Michigan alum would probably be annoyed by all the things that go on in an SEC experience.

It goes beyond just the fan experience. The play on the field is different in ways that reflect the cultures of the universities and alumni bases. There are a lot of things that are a big part of watching a typical SEC game that you just don't see in the Big Ten very often and I hope it stays that way. They might not bother the SEC fanbase, but they just don't go over too well in the Big Ten culture. I'm not suggesting it's better, just different. Different things are valued in different cultures and college football is no different. The SEC does have a monopoly on great college football experience.

Could you be more specific with what's bolded above?

I can say this. I've been to games in Nashville, Lexington, Knoxville, Athens, Columbia, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham (back in the good ole days), Oxford and Baton Rouge. I've also been to games in Columbus, Ann Arbor and West Lafayette. The Big 10 experience does not have a monopoly on "class" (a word you didn't use, but may has well have). Nor does the SEC have a monopoly on drunken, loutish behavior.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 12:35 PM
Could you be more specific with what's bolded above?

I can say this. I've been to games in Nashville, Lexington, Knoxville, Athens, Columbia, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham (back in the good ole days), Oxford and Baton Rouge. I've also been to games in Columbus, Ann Arbor and West Lafayette. The Big 10 experience does not have a monopoly on "class" (a word you didn't use, but may has well have). Nor does the SEC have a monopoly on drunken, loutish behavior.

I've never seen a bigger on the field thug than Nick Fairley. Arkansas ran their mouth more than any team I have seen in the past five years also.

I'm not speaking for MWM, but when watching a sporting event I would prefer if at least 1 out of 22 players on the field showed some class.

MWM
01-11-2011, 01:49 PM
Could you be more specific with what's bolded above?

I can say this. I've been to games in Nashville, Lexington, Knoxville, Athens, Columbia, Tuscaloosa, Birmingham (back in the good ole days), Oxford and Baton Rouge. I've also been to games in Columbus, Ann Arbor and West Lafayette. The Big 10 experience does not have a monopoly on "class" (a word you didn't use, but may has well have). Nor does the SEC have a monopoly on drunken, loutish behavior.

I never said class and wasn't even thinking it, so you're putting words in my mouth here. I've been to enough college football games in enough locations to know that they all drink their fair share of beer and drunk people are drunk people no matter where you go. So I don't really know where your comment about drunk, loutish behavior came from. All one needs to do it go to a game in Madison to see that it happens anywhere you go.

As to the bolded portion, I was thinking style and not necessarily class. I was clear to point out that it's merely my own preference. But there's no question that there's a difference in the on field antics when you watch the SEC versus the Big Ten (I'm using the B10 because I watch enough of those games to gauge the difference). Any SEC game I've watch is full of constant showboating, taunting the other team, chest thumping, etc.... You see it occasionally in a Big Ten game, but it's not common and it's certainly not pervasive throughout every game.

Again, it's more a preference thing than anything else. Plenty of my friends who I respect, even Big Ten fans, don't really have much problem with it. As for me, I don't like it and never have. I don't like it when players on teams I root for do it and I've even posted that it's one of the reasons I am not a big fan of Terrelle Pryor (although, Tressel has kept his at a minimum, but it's still more than I like to see).

You can't deny that the football cultures are different. Afterall, the very things that make people talk about how much better the SEC experience is than anywhere else create an atmosphere that lends itself to that kind of play on the field. And if you don't see the difference, you must be watching something completely different than I am. If you have no problem with that stuff, no skin off my back, but I don't care for it and it's one of things that detracts from the quality of play when I watch the SEC play. When people talk about how much better their experience is than others, you shouldn't be surprised when others don't accept it as gosepl and actually try to point things that aren't so great.

bucksfan2
01-11-2011, 02:26 PM
I've never seen a bigger on the field thug than Nick Fairley. Arkansas ran their mouth more than any team I have seen in the past five years also.

I'm not speaking for MWM, but when watching a sporting event I would prefer if at least 1 out of 22 players on the field showed some class.

Brandon Merriweather did take off his helmet and hit a FIU player with it.

But yea Fairley is as dirty of a player as you will see in college football.

dabvu2498
01-11-2011, 02:42 PM
I never said class and wasn't even thinking it, so you're putting words in my mouth here. I've been to enough college football games in enough locations to know that they all drink their fair share of beer and drunk people are drunk people no matter where you go. So I don't really know where your comment about drunk, loutish behavior came from. All one needs to do it go to a game in Madison to see that it happens anywhere you go.

As to the bolded portion, I was thinking style and not necessarily class. I was clear to point out that it's merely my own preference. But there's no question that there's a difference in the on field antics when you watch the SEC versus the Big Ten (I'm using the B10 because I watch enough of those games to gauge the difference). Any SEC game I've watch is full of constant showboating, taunting the other team, chest thumping, etc.... You see it occasionally in a Big Ten game, but it's not common and it's certainly not pervasive throughout every game.

Again, it's more a preference thing than anything else. Plenty of my friends who I respect, even Big Ten fans, don't really have much problem with it. As for me, I don't like it and never have. I don't like it when players on teams I root for do it and I've even posted that it's one of the reasons I am not a big fan of Terrelle Pryor (although, Tressel has kept his at a minimum, but it's still more than I like to see).

You can't deny that the football cultures are different. Afterall, the very things that make people talk about how much better the SEC experience is than anywhere else create an atmosphere that lends itself to that kind of play on the field. And if you don't see the difference, you must be watching something completely different than I am. If you have no problem with that stuff, no skin off my back, but I don't care for it and it's one of things that detracts from the quality of play when I watch the SEC play. When people talk about how much better their experience is than others, you shouldn't be surprised when others don't accept it as gosepl and actually try to point things that aren't so great.

Not a fan of this guy, eh?

http://hard-line.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg

And you must not like the NFL much at all.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 02:49 PM
Not a fan of this guy, eh?

http://hard-line.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg

And you must not like the NFL much at all.

Really you are coming back with that? You are completely misrepresenting what MWM was saying.

It's not just one or two players on these SEC teams. Players like Nick Fairley are spread out throughout their whole rosters.

And the NFL quote is kinda ironic considering that's what some people think the SEC should just go ahead and turn itself into.. A feeder league.

MWM
01-11-2011, 02:49 PM
I loathed Desmond Howard, and that's part of the reason. Understand, I hated Michigan with a passion until I started evaluating schools for my field. That's part of the reason i never understood the conference loyalty thing. I was rooting like hell against Michigan in 1996. I wanted no part of them winning the national championship, and most Michigan people I know loved the 2006 game. I loved the univeristy from my time there though, so I find myself rooting for Michigan except when they play Ohio State.

But I assume Desmond Howard was more tongue in cheek than an actual response to the point I was trying to make.

dabvu2498
01-11-2011, 03:25 PM
But I assume Desmond Howard was more tongue in cheek than an actual response to the point I was trying to make.

It was and it wasn't. I'd say that very play and Howard's pose was a "culture" changing moment. And it happened in Ann Arbor and the folks there didn't seem to mind so bad.

It's also ironic since that play and his "showboating" lead him to a Heisman Trophy win over arguably the classiest player of our generation. Who happened to play in the SEC.

And no, I largely don't see the culture differences that you refer to. I want to watch exciting football. I could care less if kids thump their chests or showboat a little, so long as they play hard, do some amount of work in the classroom and aren't criminals (which eliminates most programs).

Wait a minute, I'm talking myself out of liking college football altogether here.

BuckeyeRed27
01-11-2011, 03:38 PM
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/cam-newton-cecil-newton-auburn-tigers-questions-remain-after-championship-011011

Well looks like he either went behind Auburn's back of the Auburn AD was lying, but Cecil Newton was at the game.

dabvu2498
01-11-2011, 04:16 PM
MWM -- By the way, your high school alma mater has hired a heck of a good football coach. Top-notch, really.

westofyou
01-11-2011, 04:20 PM
Not a fan of this guy, eh?

http://hard-line.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg

And you must not like the NFL much at all.

Great Moment in sports, unless you were not a fan, then it sucked... wait that can apply to everything!!

Why does everything have to be ranked?

Best league, best region, most popular sport, most popular on TV, etc... much to do about nothing IMO.

I just like to watch games, I could give a rats behind about the lists aspect of it.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 04:20 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c...ance/index.html

"Auburn defensive tackle Nick Fairley is the SEC in microcosm. He's fast, strong, dominant. He can outmuscle a lineman, split a double-team and outrun a quarterback. Between the snap and the whistle, he usually is a joy to watch. But Fairley also grabs facemasks and hits late. His greatness, like the SEC's, has a dark side that occasionally overshadows the excellence.
So it was quite appropriate after the game when Fairley posted this on Twitter. "The State of Alabama runs College Football!!" Fairley wrote.
He's correct. The SEC office is in Birmingham."

LoganBuck
01-11-2011, 04:25 PM
Brandon Merriweather did take off his helmet and hit a FIU player with it.

But yea Fairley is as dirty of a player as you will see in college football.

I want no part of that guy when the Bengals pick in the draft. The bad part is that his antics probably push him to the #4 pick.

MWM
01-11-2011, 04:25 PM
And no, I largely don't see the culture differences that you refer to. I want to watch exciting football. I could care less if kids thump their chests or showboat a little, so long as they play hard, do some amount of work in the classroom and aren't criminals (which eliminates most programs).

Wait a minute, I'm talking myself out of liking college football altogether here.


Well, there you have it. It's not something you really notice much, but I do... and the difference between the two conferences is sizeable. I admit to being old-fashioned in that regard and you don't see the same kind of chest thumping, taunting, etc... in the Big Ten that you see throughout the SEC. It's not the celebrations that I mind (i.e. Desmond), it's mostly the getting in opponents faces with every good run or every good hit. You can celebrate without showing poor sportsmanship to your opponents. The OSU-Arkansas game was a good example of the differences between the two cultures.

But to be fair, the SEC is pretty much the same as the NFL, so it's not like they're doing something we don't see a lot of elsewhere. And it seriously reduces my enjoyment of watching NFL games as well, so I'm not trying to single out the SEC. Call me an old coot if you will, but I do mourn the loss of sportsmanship in big time sports, whether it be professional or college. I don't see near the amount of the stuff I hate when watching the Big Ten. It's one of its few redeeming qualities right now. Unfortunately, it's tied to the overall ultra-conservative Big Ten which can be seen in various ways that are leading to its falling further behind the rest of the country. I've always hated the ultra conservative menatality of the Big Ten from its leaders down to its universities' athletic programs. They're always the last to move forward in everything. If the rest of the country gets to a point where they're ready for a playoff, it will be the Big Ten who stands in the way. The need some more progressive mided leaders from the corporate offices to the coaching offices.

MWM
01-11-2011, 04:42 PM
MWM -- By the way, your high school alma mater has hired a heck of a good football coach. Top-notch, really.

Really? Who? I was talking to my dad over the holidays and he talked about how they ran off a good coach a year or two ago (the guy from Withrow I think) who was only there one year (I think that's what he told me). The FF athletic department has been a mess for years as they've continued to put people in charge who have no qualifications. There's no reason a school like shouldn't be more competitive than they are.

When I was there is when it started. My senior year was Ron Hubbard's last season as head coach. He wasn't the best coach in the world, but they did win a state title in '86 with him. He was the AD too and I think he was decent at that. His replacement was the worst possible choice for the job. He was our offensive coordinator, Stewart was his last name, and he was an awful coach and an even more miserable guy. He was a grade A jerk. He was pissed when he didn't become head coach, so they made him AD.

Since the late 90s, I haven't followed them much other than their wrestling team. The late 80s and early 90s, FF's baseball team was the best in the city (or maybe Moeller, but it was close). Gary Yeates won national coach of the year in 1991 and was a superb coach. He left to go out west a couple years after I graduated. They replaced him with a coach from Midland who did a great job. He had some health issues and had to retire and they've not had a competent coach since. One was Ron Hubbard's son who was an assistant coach when I played JV, the guy just didn't know the game. The guy they have now, Price, is a joke. He was around the babe ruth leagues when I played and was my brother's coach when he was 15. He's a guy that hung around long enough they gave him the job. It's sad how far downhill they've come. Even the wrestling team, which was the premiere program in the city for a few decades is irrelevant.

You've got me curious about this guy. I'll have to call my dad (he's a bus driver for the schools and so he shoud be in the loop). The biggest problem that district faces is that it has stopped using its middle school as feeder programs. That's where you build a consistently good program.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 05:00 PM
Really? Who? I was talking to my dad over the holidays and he talked about how they ran off a good coach a year or two ago (the guy from Withrow I think) who was only there one year (I think that's what he told me). The FF athletic department has been a mess for years as they've continued to put people in charge who have no qualifications. There's no reason a school like shouldn't be more competitive than they are.

When I was there is when it started. My senior year was Ron Hubbard's last season as head coach. He wasn't the best coach in the world, but they did win a state title in '86 with him. He was the AD too and I think he was decent at that. His replacement was the worst possible choice for the job. He was our offensive coordinator, Stewart was his last name, and he was an awful coach and an even more miserable guy. He was a grade A jerk. He was pissed when he didn't become head coach, so they made him AD.

Since the late 90s, I haven't followed them much other than their wrestling team. The late 80s and early 90s, FF's baseball team was the best in the city (or maybe Moeller, but it was close). Gary Yeates won national coach of the year in 1991 and was a superb coach. He left to go out west a couple years after I graduated. They replaced him with a coach from Midland who did a great job. He had some health issues and had to retire and they've not had a competent coach since. One was Ron Hubbard's son who was an assistant coach when I played JV, the guy just didn't know the game. The guy they have now, Price, is a joke. He was around the babe ruth leagues when I played and was my brother's coach when he was 15. He's a guy that hung around long enough they gave him the job. It's sad how far downhill they've come. Even the wrestling team, which was the premiere program in the city for a few decades is irrelevant.

Jason Krause from Middletown.

He's a tremendous coach and a great guy.
You've got me curious about this guy. I'll have to call my dad (he's a bus driver for the schools and so he shoud be in the loop). The biggest problem that district faces is that it has stopped using its middle school as feeder programs. That's where you build a consistently good program.

dabvu2498
01-11-2011, 05:02 PM
Really? Who?

http://www.middletownjournal.com/middletown-sports/high-school-sports/krause-calls-fairfield-best-move-for-my-family-1050670.html

He's a good guy, as well. Really seems to relate to kids well. He was a controversial hire at Middletown but won everyone over, including those who did not want him hired at all.

He's had some nice talent at Middletown and if he can find any speed at Fairfield, they'll be ok.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 06:32 PM
My issue is with the arrogant/cocky SEC fans.

Around here the SEC fans are only getting their feathers ruffled when they're told by others that even after all they accomplished, they're still not the best football conference. Still others claim that the SEC is only good because they cheat. For example many, many posts here claim that Auburn cheated in getting Cam Newton to attend yet there's no evidence of that. Conversely there is evidence of cheating with a certain 5 OSU players but the outrage is much more muted.

I go where the facts lead me and I don't see how the SEC has achieved its success illegally

BuckeyeRed27
01-11-2011, 06:36 PM
Around here the SEC fans are only getting their feathers ruffled when they're told by others that even after all they accomplished, they're still not the best football conference. Still others claim that the SEC is only good because they cheat. For example many, many posts here claim that Auburn cheated in getting Cam Newton to attend yet there's no evidence of that. Conversely there is evidence of cheating with a certain 5 OSU players but the outrage is much more muted.

I go where the facts lead me and I don't see how the SEC has achieved its success illegally

If you really don't see the difference between what Cam Newton is alleged to have done and what the OSU players did and why the outrage would be different than I don't know what to tell you.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 06:39 PM
Really you are coming back with that? You are completely misrepresenting what MWM was saying.

It's not just one or two players on these SEC teams. Players like Nick Fairley are spread out throughout their whole rosters.

And the NFL quote is kinda ironic considering that's what some people think the SEC should just go ahead and turn itself into.. A feeder league.

I think Nick Fairley on the field was a monster last night and probably increased his draft status. I'd love for the Bengals to get him.

There are thugs everywhere. I'd never generalize that any team or league has the market cornered on thugs. You can't get much more "thuggish" than Maurice Clarett, but I never used him as an example that represents the Big Ten or the OSU Bucks

MWM
01-11-2011, 06:45 PM
Around here the SEC fans are only getting their feathers ruffled when they're told by others that even after all they accomplished, they're still not the best football conference. Still others claim that the SEC is only good because they cheat. For example many, many posts here claim that Auburn cheated in getting Cam Newton to attend yet there's no evidence of that. Conversely there is evidence of cheating with a certain 5 OSU players but the outrage is much more muted.

I go where the facts lead me and I don't see how the SEC has achieved its success illegally

Another strawman. No one really makes that claim that they aren't the best conference. The disagreement comes primarily on the magnititude of the difference. I'll say what I've said numerous times, I've always thought they're the best from top to bottom, but I think the gap is much closer than some make it out to be. And my belief is that the difference lies not as much in the top 3-4, but once you get to the middle and lower. That's where the SEC is better than about anyone else. They have fewer bad teams and can go deeper. That's a compliment and what I think sets them apart from the other conferences.

And if you say you let the facts lead you, how come everytime you mention the SEC's dominance of the Big Ten and I ask you top explain their head to head record, you've never responded? If they dominate, year and year out like you have suggested multiple times, why is there only one game seperating the two conferences in 35 games played against each other since the BCS began?

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 06:46 PM
It was and it wasn't. I'd say that very play and Howard's pose was a "culture" changing moment. And it happened in Ann Arbor and the folks there didn't seem to mind so bad.

It's also ironic since that play and his "showboating" lead him to a Heisman Trophy win over arguably the classiest player of our generation. Who happened to play in the SEC.


Desmond Howard was the runaway winner in 1991. I can't even remember what SEC player was second and classy. Are you speaking of Heath Shuler? I'm missing your point

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 06:48 PM
And if you say you let the facts lead you, how come everytime you mention the SEC's dominance of the Big Ten and I ask you top explain their head to head record, you've never responded? If they dominate, year and year out like you have suggested multiple times, why is there only one game seperating the two conferences in 35 games played against each other since the BCS began?

Head to head is one part of the criteria but since you agree the SEC is better, there's really nothing to argue about, now is there?

MWM
01-11-2011, 06:59 PM
Head to head is one part of the criteria but since you agree the SEC is better, there's really nothing to argue about, now is there?

I don't argue, I debate. :evil: Magnitude of the difference does come into play though when debates focus around speculative scenarios, which the absurdity of the bowl system forces us into. I think the head to head matchups (which are usually in the top half of the conference) show that good teams in other conferences could compete against good teams in the SEC. I have always believed that and the facts suggest the same.

The only other real problem I have is when fans of the SEC want to talk about how much better their conference is, but won't discuss in a reaonsable manner some of the factors that lead to this... factors which are very real and do have a significant impact. It seems like any attempt to bring them up is met with scorn and accusations of excuse making and envy.

dabvu2498
01-11-2011, 07:05 PM
Desmond Howard was the runaway winner in 1991. I can't even remember what SEC player was second and classy. Are you speaking of Heath Shuler? I'm missing your point

Crap. I got Charles Woodson and Desmond backwards. My brain on no sleeeeeep. zzzzzzzzzzzzz

jojo
01-11-2011, 07:07 PM
I don't argue, I debate. :evil: Magnitude of the difference does come into play though when debates focus around speculative scenarios, which the absurdity of the bowl system forces us into. I think the head to head matchups (which are usually in the top half of the conference) show that good teams in other conferences could compete against good teams in the SEC. I have always believed that and the facts suggest the same.

The only other real problem I have is when fans of the SEC want to talk about how much better their conference is, but won't discuss in a reaonsable manner some of the factors that lead to this... factors which are very real and do have a significant impact. It seems like any attempt to bring them up is met with scorn and accusations of excuse making and envy.

Any fan base has a percentage of turds. Buckeye "fan" is just as obnoxious as SEC "fan" or PAC-10 "fan".

MWM
01-11-2011, 07:10 PM
Certainly, all fanbases has their percentage of turds, just not the same %. :evil:

Cub fans still take the cake, though.

dabvu2498
01-11-2011, 07:10 PM
Any fan base has a percentage of turds. Buckeye "fan" is just as obnoxious as SEC "fan" or PAC-10 "fan".

Truer words have never been spoken.

And the more bandwagoneers jump on, the more obnoxious the fan base seems.

Sea Ray
01-11-2011, 08:21 PM
I don't argue, I debate. Magnitude of the difference does come into play though when debates focus around speculative scenarios, which the absurdity of the bowl system forces us into. I think the head to head matchups (which are usually in the top half of the conference) show that good teams in other conferences could compete against good teams in the SEC. I have always believed that and the facts suggest the same.

The only other real problem I have is when fans of the SEC want to talk about how much better their conference is, but won't discuss in a reaonsable manner some of the factors that lead to this... factors which are very real and do have a significant impact. It seems like any attempt to bring them up is met with scorn and accusations of excuse making and envy.


Call it what you like, argue, debate, whatever. I have nothing to debate. We agree that the SEC is better. To debate which adjectives to use seems pointless.

As for head to head to head matchups, they are a part of the equation but there's way too many factors to consider. If I was a big believer I'd say that in 2010 the SEC was light years in front of the Big Ten because they won 75% of their head to head matchups. Actually I believe the SEC came back to the pack somewhat this year.

Over an extended period of time, years vary. Some years the SEC is far better, others not so much. What stands out to me are the years where OSU ran roughshod over the Big Ten competition only to get pummeled in their face to face SEC matchup. One yr OSU and Mich dominated Big Ten play but both got hammered in their Bowl games. Instances like that do not reflect well on the overall Big Ten scene.

But I'm not here to "debate" just how much better the SEC is. That sort of minutia gets us nowhere. There is a nationwide concensus that the SEC is king of football and I'll leave it at that.

Cedric
01-11-2011, 08:34 PM
Call it what you like, argue, debate, whatever. I have nothing to debate. We agree that the SEC is better. To debate which adjectives to use seems pointless.

As for head to head to head matchups, they are a part of the equation but there's way too many factors to consider. If I was a big believer I'd say that in 2010 the SEC was light years in front of the Big Ten because they won 75% of their head to head matchups. Actually I believe the SEC came back to the pack somewhat this year.

Over an extended period of time, years vary. Some years the SEC is far better, others not so much. What stands out to me are the years where OSU ran roughshod over the Big Ten competition only to get pummeled in their face to face SEC matchup. One yr OSU and Mich dominated Big Ten play but both got hammered in their Bowl games. Instances like that do not reflect well on the overall Big Ten scene.

But I'm not here to "debate" just how much better the SEC is. That sort of minutia gets us nowhere. There is a nationwide concensus that the SEC is king of football and I'll leave it at that.
And the king of sleeze. I guess we can agree on that also?

MWM
01-11-2011, 08:51 PM
Over an extended period of time, years vary. Some years the SEC is far better, others not so much. What stands out to me are the years where OSU ran roughshod over the Big Ten competition only to get pummeled in their face to face SEC matchup. One yr OSU and Mich dominated Big Ten play but both got hammered in their Bowl games. Instances like that do not reflect well on the overall Big Ten scene.


Ironically, the Big Ten won the only other two matchups against the SEC that year.

Bringing other single pieces of data (i.e. 2006 when OSU lost bad to Florida) is all pretty much trumped by the 35 games they've played in a 12 year stretch... point being, at the top of the conference, there's not a great deal of separation over time.

MWM
01-11-2011, 09:34 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LzW-_1hKHMU/ShL6asyi4BI/AAAAAAAAAwU/Dow_HjFoGPE/s1600/howtoarguefixed2.jpg

Brutus
01-11-2011, 09:36 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LzW-_1hKHMU/ShL6asyi4BI/AAAAAAAAAwU/Dow_HjFoGPE/s1600/howtoarguefixed2.jpg

Pretty much on point LOL

Oxblood
01-11-2011, 10:51 PM
Boise St was the best team this season, neutral field they beat anyone. Idiot kicker messed it all up.

Sea Ray
01-12-2011, 09:34 AM
Bringing other single pieces of data (i.e. 2006 when OSU lost bad to Florida) is all pretty much trumped by the 35 games they've played in a 12 year stretch... point being, at the top of the conference, there's not a great deal of separation over time.

I think the top is where there's the most separation between the SEC and the Big Ten. How else to explain OSU's record vs the SEC?

MWM
01-12-2011, 10:28 AM
I think the top is where there's the most separation between the SEC and the Big Ten. How else to explain OSU's record vs the SEC?

Tressel is not equipped to coach in those games, period! OSU has had more players drafted in the last decade than any other school in the country. It's not a matter of talent. Besides, we're not talking just OSU, we're talking about the conference. Again, these points might be more valid in the absence of actual games played, but I think 35 games is a much better indicator than OSU's few individually. And the Big Ten #2 has consistently beat the SEC #2 in bowl games. If the bottom half of the conferences played each other consistently, I believe the record would massively in favor of the SEC. But the upper half of the conferences have played each other over the last 12 years and the record shows that there's not a huge difference. How else do you explain that only 1 game separates them?

WMR
01-12-2011, 10:52 AM
How about the SEC and the Big 10 both agree to leave the NCAA and form their own SUPER LEAGUE? Make it as long as an NFL season (season and playoffs).

How awesome would that be?

The Big 10 fans would finally get to see one of their all-time excuses (make them play in cold weather) proven or disproven.

;)

It would improve basketball tremendously as well. Add UK into a lineup featuring Indiana, Michigan State, and Ohio State?

Sea Ray
01-12-2011, 10:59 AM
Tressel is not equipped to coach in those games, period! OSU has had more players drafted in the last decade than any other school in the country. It's not a matter of talent.

I think in general, OSU produces better NFL talent. A lot of the SEC's speed doesn't translate to the NFL where strength can overpower speed. For example these speedy SEC D-linemen often get pummeled by NFL O-linemen on Sundays.

Thus it's pointless to talk about how many players a team has drafted for the NFL when talking about who's the better college team. Two different games

Sea Ray
01-12-2011, 11:00 AM
How about the SEC and the Big 10 both agree to leave the NCAA and form their own SUPER LEAGUE? Make it as long as an NFL season (season and playoffs).



If we're going to start a Super League I'd combine the SEC with the Big 12 or PAC 10 long before I'd add the Big 10.

WMR
01-12-2011, 11:17 AM
If we're going to start a Super League I'd combine the SEC with the Big 12 or PAC 10 long before I'd add the Big 10.

I want the Big 10 because the animosity is so great.

The Big 12 and PAC-10 might be sexier right now, but I like the historical weight of the Big 10 upper echelon more (there is one condition: they drop those awful division names. ;))

jojo
01-12-2011, 12:57 PM
By the by... congrats to Jojo on his team's victory. I still remember vividly the absolute joy and elation I felt in 1996 and 1998 when UK won their last basketball championships. You want the feeling to just keep on keepin' on forever. The memories will get better and become even more treasured as time passes.

Thanks. I wish every college fan could get a season like this. This season was truly a gift as the Tigers weren't expected to even win the SEC west and then several of their games were truly epics where an inch one way or the other on a play couldve dramatically impacted the game and the Tigers seemed get all of those plays go their way. They took punches to their chin from some of their biggest rivals and got up swinging. Truly a gift that may never happen again. Here's to wishing every college fan gets to have one like this...