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blumj
01-04-2011, 07:31 PM
Conversation in the Colts thread got me wondering how united or divided the board might be.

RedsBaron
01-04-2011, 07:42 PM
I will be rooting for whoever is playing against the Steelers.

WMR
01-04-2011, 07:45 PM
Hehe, it's funny, I probably root more for teams to LOSE in the playoffs than win... :D

Teams I want to lose: Jets, Patriots, Steelers, Ravens...

After that, I don't really care too much what happens... If I could pick a winner, maybe the Falcons?

RedsBaron
01-04-2011, 08:17 PM
Of the teams in the playoffs I like the Packers, Colts and Saints.

reds1869
01-04-2011, 09:51 PM
Colts in the AFC and Saints in the NFC. And anyone playing the Ravens.

NJReds
01-04-2011, 10:03 PM
Jets. Just because it will drive the Giants fans crazy. Makes for good sports talk radio in NY.

Razor Shines
01-04-2011, 10:08 PM
I hope the Pats and Colts make the AFC Championship with the Colts hopefully winning. I like watching the Pats play. They're well coached and don't make stupid mistakes. I even like watching Brady, he's playing ridiculous right now.

Mutaman
01-04-2011, 10:22 PM
Cheesehead.

Eric_the_Red
01-04-2011, 10:51 PM
Go Colts!

edabbs44
01-04-2011, 10:53 PM
Falcs fan...oh yeah.

Caveat Emperor
01-04-2011, 10:57 PM
The Seahawks -- it'd be a fantastic answer to a trivia question in the future.

Danny Serafini
01-05-2011, 02:34 AM
The playoff teams I can't stand are all in the AFC, so I'll root on the Colts as the best chance to knock them off.

ABEsolutely
01-05-2011, 07:46 AM
When the Bengals blow the season, my backup has always been the Eagles (thanks to the Randall Cunningham era). So that means I've been an Eagles fan about all year this year.
Go Eagles!

Redsfan320
01-05-2011, 10:02 AM
COLTS. For the NFC... Packers, I guess. And I want the Steelers and Patriots to fail desperately.

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Tornon
01-08-2011, 12:14 PM
I don't have an NFL team, so I like rooting for the underdog.. so naturally I'm going for the Seahawks this year

Redsfan320
01-08-2011, 12:26 PM
My rooting interest for this weekend:

Saints v. Seahawks- I'm not big on the Saints after they beat Favre and then the Colts last year. Besides who doesn't love an underdog that big.

Colts v. Jets- Colts are my team, couldn't really care less either way about Sanchez and Mr. Foot.

Ravens v. Chiefs- The Ravens are like that rival that you can behind in the playoffs, as compared to the Steelers who I hate all the way trhough. Besides, I couldn't care less about the Chiefs

Falcons vs. Packers- I have a slight liking of both teams, however I like the Pack a bit more than the Falcons

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Tornon
01-08-2011, 01:15 PM
Falcons vs. Packers- I have a slight liking of both teams, however I like the Pack a bit more than the Falcons

320

I think you got the wrong bird there :p:

texasdave
01-08-2011, 06:22 PM
Seahawks just to hear all the crying about how a team with a sub .500 record doesn't even belong in the playoffs, much less be the SB Champs.

CTA513
01-08-2011, 08:50 PM
Seahawks are up 41-30 with 2 minutes left
Lynch made the Saints look pretty bad on a 67 yard TD run.

CTA513
01-08-2011, 08:57 PM
Seahawks won 41-36

Redsfan320
01-08-2011, 09:02 PM
What a game by Seattle!! Now onto the Colts...

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redsfandan
01-08-2011, 09:08 PM
Great game by Hasselbeck and the Seahawks. It just really didn't look like a 7-9 team vs the defending champs. David has beaten Goliath. But, can they do it a second time? If they play like they did today I wouldn't bet against them. They're the team you don't want to play. Alot of momentum and nothing to lose.

paintmered
01-08-2011, 09:13 PM
Great game by Hasselbeck and the Seahawks. It just really didn't look like a 7-9 team vs the defending champs. David has beaten Goliath. But, can they do it a second time? If they play like they did today I wouldn't bet against them. They're the team you don't want to play. Alot of momentum and nothing to lose.

Except they're on the road from now on.

WMR
01-08-2011, 09:43 PM
Anyone have the line on that game going in?

harangatang
01-08-2011, 09:47 PM
Could the Seahawks be the 1987 Twins?

kaldaniels
01-08-2011, 09:54 PM
Anyone have the line on that game going in?

Saints by 10.5

MikeThierry
01-08-2011, 10:42 PM
I can't believe the Seahawks pulled that one out. Maybe the NFC West team won't be such a pushover as people thought.

edabbs44
01-08-2011, 10:51 PM
Except they're on the road from now on.

Unless they get the Pack in the nfc championship, right?

pedro
01-08-2011, 10:58 PM
I'm rooting for the Pats and the Falcons but wouldn't mind the Eagles either. As for today's Seattle / New Orleans game, yes the Seahawks offense had a good game but damn the Saints defense played pathetically.

CTA513
01-09-2011, 12:03 AM
Jets beat the Colts 17-16

Redsfan320
01-09-2011, 12:05 AM
Wow, you gotta hold 'em on that last drive. And Peyton wasn't great. And Wayne couldn't shake Revis. And the run defense was awful. Man...:(

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Razor Shines
01-09-2011, 12:11 AM
Wow, you gotta hold 'em on that last drive. And Peyton wasn't great. And Wayne couldn't shake Revis. And the run defense was awful. Man...:(

320

That was one Peyton's best games of the season. He took what he was given...which wasn't much. He didn't play into the Jets' game plan and force it tight coverage.

I'm done with defending Caldwell though. Letting them off the hook before halftime is unforgivable.

gilpdawg
01-09-2011, 12:33 AM
Caldwell's gotta go. He's turrible. That last timeout was indefensible.

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Tony Cloninger
01-09-2011, 12:34 AM
How do you give up a 47 yard KO return after getting a FG like that?

Was the kick short? Squibbed? Just like Payton earlier trying too hard to avoid a KO return and short kicking it?

Razor Shines
01-09-2011, 01:58 AM
How do you give up a 47 yard KO return after getting a FG like that?

Was the kick short? Squibbed? Just like Payton earlier trying too hard to avoid a KO return and short kicking it?

I don't know. Mcaffee can boot it to the back of the endzone....don't know why he didn't.

Caveat Emperor
01-09-2011, 03:44 AM
Seattle should be hoping for a GB win tomorrow. There's a world of difference between playing the Bears (who are, in my mind, the worst #2 seed that I can remember) and the Falcons.

hebroncougar
01-09-2011, 08:39 AM
Seattle should be hoping for a GB win tomorrow. There's a world of difference between playing the Bears (who are, in my mind, the worst #2 seed that I can remember) and the Falcons.

I thought the same thing, until 2 weeks ago when the Bears absolutely torched the Jets.

hebroncougar
01-09-2011, 08:41 AM
Wow, you gotta hold 'em on that last drive. And Peyton wasn't great. And Wayne couldn't shake Revis. And the run defense was awful. Man...:(

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This sentiment kills me. Manning's QB rating for the game was over 108. But he'll get the bulk of the blame.

mlh1981
01-09-2011, 10:37 AM
I can't take the Steelers winning the Super Bowl.

It will make their fanbase even more arrogant than they already are.

blumj
01-09-2011, 10:41 AM
This sentiment kills me. Manning's QB rating for the game was over 108. But he'll get the bulk of the blame.
I don't think so. Manning didn't call the stupid TO, he didn't allow that horrendous kick return, and he's not responsible for letting the Jets have two 10 minute TD drives. The only things you can even partially blame Manning for is the Colts having to settle for FGs so much, but they probably should have still won even so. I guess you don't really know how much of not using enough time on their last drive was up to him, but it's nitpicky compared to what you can blame on the coaches, D, and ST.

I mean, even the post you responded to just said he wasn't great.

Redsfan320
01-09-2011, 10:52 AM
This sentiment kills me. Manning's QB rating for the game was over 108. But he'll get the bulk of the blame.

I didn't give him the bulk of the blame. I said he "wasn't great" while also mentioning how the run defense was "awful". 18/26, 225 yds., 1 TD, 0 INT. A good game, but I expect more from Manning in the playoffs. I expect a lot more from the whole team, though. By all means, the run defense was far worse then Peyton, and the special teams wasn't very good either. And Caldwell wasn't very good either. And the receivers, especially Wayne, couldn't get open. I'm not thrilled with Manning, but by no means does he get "the bulk of the blame" from me.

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Razor Shines
01-09-2011, 01:40 PM
Once again Manning played very well. He called a good game and didn't make any big mistakes. I can almost guarantee he would have preferred to take a shot to score before the half. That would have been very demoralizing for the jets had the colts have been able to get a fg.

hebroncougar
01-09-2011, 01:48 PM
I didn't give him the bulk of the blame. I said he "wasn't great" while also mentioning how the run defense was "awful". 18/26, 225 yds., 1 TD, 0 INT. A good game, but I expect more from Manning in the playoffs. I expect a lot more from the whole team, though. By all means, the run defense was far worse then Peyton, and the special teams wasn't very good either. And Caldwell wasn't very good either. And the receivers, especially Wayne, couldn't get open. I'm not thrilled with Manning, but by no means does he get "the bulk of the blame" from me.

320

I apologize, you're right. I meant the sentiment in the media. It'll be...........Peyton can't win the playoffs again. If anything, I blame special teams. That running into the kicker, and the KO return were absolute nightmares.

Tony Cloninger
01-09-2011, 02:06 PM
He kicked the ball into the end zone and the guy still go that many yards?

I saw i think #52 just barely make an effort near the 4 yard line and then there was no one there.

That 3rd down pass before the Colts 50 yarder....he just barely missed as the pass was low but catchable. They make that and the Jets do not get the ball back.

You have to bury the jets really or else they find fluky ways to win as the did in denver.....detroit. You have to give them credit for it...but the coach is such an A that you really do not root for them at all, well at least I do not.

Oxblood
01-09-2011, 02:39 PM
Seattle should be hoping for a GB win tomorrow. There's a world of difference between playing the Bears (who are, in my mind, the worst #2 seed that I can remember) and the Falcons.

Agreed, however I'm pulling for the Falcons so I would like to see them play the seabirds. I'd say the Falcons would prob put 'em away by 20+. The pack on the other hand are a pretty solid squad and actually deserve to be in the playoffs.

hebroncougar
01-09-2011, 03:31 PM
Agreed, however I'm pulling for the Falcons so I would like to see them play the seabirds. I'd say the Falcons would prob put 'em away by 20+. The pack on the other hand are a pretty solid squad and actually deserve to be in the playoffs.

As opposed to the Seahawks........who beat the defending Champs yesterday as an 11 point dog? I'd say they proved they belong by what they accomplished yesterday.

Oxblood
01-09-2011, 03:37 PM
As opposed to the Seahawks........who beat the defending Champs yesterday as an 11 point dog? I'd say they proved they belong by what they accomplished yesterday.

I wouldn't. They were given a gift. Homefield w/ a season like they had?

You are saying a 7-9 team deserves not only a playoff spot but homefield against a team w/ 3 more W's?

Chip R
01-09-2011, 03:39 PM
If the Saints were so good, they should have beaten Seattle no matter where the game was being played.

Oxblood
01-09-2011, 03:44 PM
If the Saints were so good, they should have beaten Seattle no matter where the game was being played.

Lol. Never said the 'aints were "so good". But they did deserve their spot, pondscumbirds didn't. Losing record and you get home field? Unacceptable.

hebroncougar
01-09-2011, 04:47 PM
I wouldn't. They were given a gift. Homefield w/ a season like they had?

You are saying a 7-9 team deserves not only a playoff spot but homefield against a team w/ 3 more W's?

Yep, and they proved it. The Saints weren't the best team in their division. And they couldn't beat Seattle on the road, so obviously they deserved it. That's how the NFL system has worked for years. The Seahawks winning at home confirmed the system works.

Oxblood
01-09-2011, 05:00 PM
Yep, and they proved it. The Saints weren't the best team in their division. And they couldn't beat Seattle on the road, so obviously they deserved it. That's how the NFL system has worked for years. The Seahawks winning at home confirmed the system works.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree even though you are way off base. Your logic is backwards.

Eric_the_Red
01-09-2011, 06:06 PM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree even though you are way off base. Your logic is backwards.

With the way the Saints defense played yesterday, the outcome would have been the same if they played the game on Bourbon Street.

Oxblood
01-09-2011, 06:19 PM
You know the Falcons are huge Eagles fans today.

Eric_the_Red
01-09-2011, 06:24 PM
With the Colts eliminated and now the Chiefs out, I can only say: go NFC.

HeatherC1212
01-09-2011, 06:50 PM
With the Colts eliminated and now the Chiefs out, I can only say: go NFC.

I agree. My four least favorite AFC teams are left now and I just can't make myself root for any of them. I love that the Seahawks upset the Saints yesterday only because it was so unexpected to everyone but I really don't have a horse in the race anymore. Go NFC....IMO any of them are better the AFC choices, LOL :laugh:

Razor Shines
01-09-2011, 07:11 PM
With the Colts eliminated and now the Chiefs out, I can only say: go NFC.

I don't really care who wins now, but I really hope the Pats stomp the Jets next week.

hebroncougar
01-09-2011, 09:07 PM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree even though you are way off base. Your logic is backwards.

Yep, I'm backwards. The Seahawks won, but they shouldn't have been in the playoffs. It's the same in baseball. The wildcard teams lose home field advantage as well. Every other pro sport does it the same too. Division winner are rewarded with home filed advantage.

Oxblood
01-09-2011, 09:39 PM
Terrible throw/idea by Vick to lose the game for the eggles. On to next week, Falcons should beat the Pack by 3 TD's and looks like the Bears get a bye.

Redsfan320
01-09-2011, 10:02 PM
My rooting interests for next week.

Ravens v. Steelers- I have a very strong hatred for the Steelers, rivaled only by my hatred of the Cards (How will Chris Carpenter explain my hatred to his son? :p:)
Packers v. Falcons- I've rooted slightly for the pack since a few years ago when Favre was still there. Oh- and I double-checked to make sure it was the Falcons who the Packers were playing next week. ;)
Seahawks v. Bears- I have zero interest in the bears, and the Seahawks endeared me this week.
Jets v. Patriots- Lesser of two evils, I guess. Mr. Foot vs. Mr. Cheat. Mr. pretty boy vs. Mr. bad attitude

The Packers and Seahawks are my main superbowl hopes.

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Caveat Emperor
01-09-2011, 11:54 PM
If the Saints were so good, they should have beaten Seattle no matter where the game was being played.

That's a nightmare road trip for a team from the gulf coast (NOLA, Tampa, Miami, J-Ville) to Seattle. Long flight, hostile playing conditions.

Big time advantage to a team like Seattle.

Eric_the_Red
01-10-2011, 07:39 AM
That's a nightmare road trip for a team from the gulf coast (NOLA, Tampa, Miami, J-Ville) to Seattle. Long flight, hostile playing conditions.

Big time advantage to a team like Seattle.

And yet the Giants, Chiefs and Falcons (all playoff or playoff bubble teams) all went to Seattle and won this year. It's a tough place to play but it was still a sub-.500 team. The Saints have no excuses.

Chip R
01-13-2011, 10:12 AM
And yet the Giants, Chiefs and Falcons (all playoff or playoff bubble teams) all went to Seattle and won this year. It's a tough place to play but it was still a sub-.500 team. The Saints have no excuses.


Exactly. If the Seahawks were such a bad team, NO should have rolled them whether the game was in SEA, New Orleans or Fargo. I think that's one of the great things about the NFL. If something seems like a sure thing, it probably isn't. Look at that Browns-Pats game this year. All these guys are pros. You can't let down against anyone.

NJReds
01-14-2011, 03:04 PM
Well, the NY Post had fun today with the upcoming Jets-Pats game. I think it's funny that the Red Sox refer to the Yankees as the Evil Empire, and the Jets refer to New England the same way.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/01/14/covers/front011411.jpg

New York Red
01-14-2011, 03:59 PM
I will be rooting for whoever is playing against the Steelers.
This ^^^^.

I can't say I'm rooting for the Patriots, but I have become somewhat of a closet fan since moving here in 2006. I am however rooting for them to beat the Jets, who I've come to hate. And if the Pats face the Steelers next week, I'll be the biggest Pats fan around.

New York Red
01-14-2011, 04:05 PM
OK, who picked the Steelers in this poll?! :confused:

kaldaniels
01-16-2011, 01:45 PM
Today, rooting for Hawks (+10) and Pats (-9.5).

redsfandan
01-16-2011, 07:39 PM
I hope the Jets keep it up. I'd just like to see the best rb of the last decade+ get a ring.

Oxilon
01-16-2011, 08:30 PM
LOL. Shayne Graham, bailed out by the 2 minute warning. Once a Bungal, always a Bungal?

Oxilon
01-16-2011, 08:32 PM
Eh, he made it the 2nd time around. Would have been nice if he did that last season...

kaldaniels
01-16-2011, 08:37 PM
Hats off to the Jets. Wow.

MWM
01-16-2011, 08:40 PM
I found myself pulling really hard for the Pats... a first for me. I just don't see the Jets having any chance against Pittsburgh. I don't have too much room in my life for sports hate, but Ben Roethlisberger is an exception.

CTA513
01-16-2011, 08:40 PM
Patriots looked like the Bengals today.

kaldaniels
01-16-2011, 08:41 PM
One of the most entertaining moments of the season coming up....the Belicheck elimination handshake.

Kingspoint
01-16-2011, 08:43 PM
Today, rooting for Hawks (+10) and Pats (-9.5).

Hope you didn't place a bet.

kaldaniels
01-16-2011, 08:43 PM
Hope you didn't place a bet.

lets not go there :D

Kingspoint
01-16-2011, 08:43 PM
It's not over.

By the Jets scoring, technically they gave the Pats another chance.

MikeThierry
01-16-2011, 08:57 PM
YES!!!! The Jets defeat the despicable excuse of a human being in Bill Bilichick.

Razor Shines
01-16-2011, 09:14 PM
I told you guys that Peyton played very well against the Jets. I really thought that Brady, Belichick and Co. would have figured out Ryan's D though. I think the Steelers play Jets football but the Steelers are better at it than the Jets are. Of course I thought the Pats would beat the Jets so what do I know?

cinredsfan2000
01-16-2011, 11:25 PM
Nobody Colts and eagles and ravens all were defeted so i have zero rooting intrest in any of the remaining teams especially the AFC teams . Wake me when pitchers and catchers report.

HeatherC1212
01-16-2011, 11:34 PM
Worst. AFC. Matchup. Ever. :bang:

Go NFC in the Superbowl....whichever team gets there. :eek:

dabvu2498
01-17-2011, 12:18 AM
Worst. AFC. Matchup. Ever. :bang:

Go NFC in the Superbowl....whichever team gets there. :eek:

That's no lie.

Would it be inappropriate to root for the Plague to infect the Jets-Steelers game next Sunday?

webbbj
01-17-2011, 01:01 AM
i hate both the steelers and jets but i respect the steelers more for their continued excellence and model organization so i'll root for the steelers to lose in the SB to GB, another top notch organization that has continued excellence for many years. just sux the Patriots couldnt win it all.

kaldaniels
01-17-2011, 01:14 AM
That's no lie.

Would it be inappropriate to root for the Plague to infect the Jets-Steelers game next Sunday?

Not at all...though it didn't work with the game at Heinz Field yesterday for me.

RedsBaron
01-17-2011, 07:38 AM
I am stunned that the Jets defeated the Patriots. I had expected the Packers, Bears and Steelers to all win, but in each case I wouldn't have been shocked by an upset. The one game I figured was a lock was New England de-feeting the Jets. Wow.

New York Red
01-17-2011, 12:32 PM
Wow, I don't even want to watch the AFC Championship game now. My most hated team in all of sports, the Steelers, vs the Jets and their bandwagon/come-out-of-the-woodwork fanbase (if you guys lived where I live, you'd understand this one). Just a terrible scenario, and I have to root for the Jets now. But only for one game. Then I'm all NFC! Go Pack, and Go Bears!

Oxblood
01-17-2011, 01:13 PM
i hate both the steelers and jets but i respect the steelers more for their continued excellence and model organization so i'll root for the steelers to lose in the SB to GB, another top notch organization that has continued excellence for many years. just sux the Patriots couldnt win it all.

What are you talking about here? Sucks the Pats couldn't win it all???? Steelers are a class act?

Razor Shines
01-17-2011, 01:23 PM
Wow, I don't even want to watch the AFC Championship game now. My most hated team in all of sports, the Steelers, vs the Jets and their bandwagon/come-out-of-the-woodwork fanbase (if you guys lived where I live, you'd understand this one). Just a terrible scenario, and I have to root for the Jets now. But only for one game. Then I'm all NFC! Go Pack, and Go Bears!

I'm seeing it with the Steelers. All of the sudden all these people I've known for long time are Steelers fans. Never mentioned it before though.

Reds Fanatic
01-17-2011, 05:07 PM
I am rooting for anyone but the Steelers at this point. Steelers fans as a whole tend to be the most obnoxious fans I have run into and they get worse with every championship they win.

Todd Gack
01-17-2011, 05:38 PM
The Steelers have one of the best organizations in any sport. I loathe their fan base, but rooting for Pittsburgh this Sunday. No reason to respect the NYJ when all they do is talk and they've done nothing.

Then, I'll be rooting for the NFC no matter what.

Caveat Emperor
01-17-2011, 07:01 PM
I am rooting for anyone but the Steelers at this point. Steelers fans as a whole tend to be the most obnoxious fans I have run into and they get worse with every championship they win.

They're the best run franchise in the NFL (and arguably, next to the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Lakers, the best run franchise in all of professional sports) -- you'll get that with any team that has prolonged success.

Redsfan320
01-17-2011, 08:32 PM
Yeah, this is crap... guess I'm rootin' for the Pack now. :/

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Eric_the_Red
01-17-2011, 08:38 PM
My updated order of preference for winning the Super Bowl:
1. Packers
2. Bears
3. Start the lockout early

Kingspoint
01-20-2011, 06:50 PM
J-E-T-S

JETS!

Kingspoint
01-20-2011, 06:51 PM
They're the best run franchise in the NFL (and arguably, next to the New York Yankees and Los Angeles Lakers, the best run franchise in all of professional sports) -- you'll get that with any team that has prolonged success.

It's easy to win when the NFL pulls strings for you.

BRM
01-20-2011, 06:54 PM
My updated order of preference for winning the Super Bowl:
1. Packers
2. Bears
3. Start the lockout early

I can go along with that.

RichRed
01-21-2011, 10:24 AM
My updated order of preference for winning the Super Bowl:
1. Packers
2. Bears
3. Start the lockout early

As nate would say (where is he, anyway?), "High five!"

texasdave
01-21-2011, 11:16 AM
My updated order of preference for winning the Super Bowl:
1. Packers
2. Bears
3. Start the lockout early

Works for me too.

Caveat Emperor
01-21-2011, 12:13 PM
It's easy to win when the NFL pulls strings for you.

Come on now, that's just not honest. If anything, the NFL is working actively against teams like the Ravens and the Steelers who claim physical defensive play as their calling cards. Big hits on the QB? No more. Ball-jarring hits on WRs? Sorry, not when they're "defenseless" (which is an undefined term of art that can literally mean anytime the receiver is going for the ball and not paying attention to what's around him). Physical man-to-man coverage in the secondary? PI or illegal contact nowadays.

I'm not even a Pittsburgh fan, and it's pretty easy to see that the NFL isn't exactly being kind to "Steeler Football" these days.

Hoosier Red
01-21-2011, 12:39 PM
My dilemna is thus; my preferred order would be:
1. Bears
<small gap>
2. Packers
<another small gap>
3. Jets
<HUGE GAP>




4. Steelers

Ideally, the Bears would beat the Packers, and the Jets would beat the Steelers and all would be fine.

But what I really can't stand to see though is the Steelers winning, and the Packers are really the best hope against the Steelers in the Super Bowl(though I'd still rate them a decided underdog.)
I can't in good faith cheer for the Bears, because without knowing who the AFC champion is, I need the strongest NFC team left standing to beat the hated Steelers.
Maybe if I explained my plight to Roger Goodell, he'd agree to switch the order of the games.

bucksfan2
01-21-2011, 12:48 PM
Packers and I will root for the Jets to beat the Steelers but thats about it. I don't want any of the other three teams to win the Super Bowl. The team I can't stomach winning is the Steelers.

Kingspoint
01-23-2011, 06:33 PM
I don't know who the other JETS' fan is, but I am one of the two who voted for them from the beginning.