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mth123
01-05-2011, 06:49 AM
Today starts the filing arbitration period in MLB. The team and those players who file will exchange figures on January 18th. This is a key time for the Reds with Votto, Cueto, Volquez, Bray and Burton all eligible. I have a feeling that the Reds are probably turning their attention toward these players and getting ready for Spring Training at this point and making additions to the roster is now a secondary consideration. The figures exchanged here may give some indication about how likely the Reds may be in their ability to extend Votto and Cueto and reaching final salary numbers for these guys probably will determine whether the Reds will be able to bring anyone in with a Spring Training deal. Hopefully, the team won't be forced to dump salary in the spring if the outcome is in excess of the Reds targets.

I've been impatient with the team in wanting some improvements, but I believe that the uncertainty of this process has been the primary hold-up in the Reds making any additions to the roster.

Anyone with any guesses as to how it goes? My prediction:

Name (Amount Player will ask for - Amount Reds will Offer)
Votto ($8,500,000 - $6,500,000)
Cueto ($4,000,000 - $2,500,000)
Volquez ($3,000,000 - $2,000,000)
Bray ($1,500,000 - $750,000)
Burton ($850,000 - $640,000)

Mario-Rijo
01-15-2011, 08:45 AM
A tweet about Arbitration filings here, is "Joey Bats" Joey Votto?


@SBerthiaumeESPN 119 filed for arbitration today including Prince, J. Hamilton, Papelbon & Joey Bats. about 12 hours ago

Scrap Irony
01-15-2011, 09:12 AM
I'm guessing Votto asks for $10 million. Current MVP, two phenomenal seasons in a row, face of a winning (as of 2010) franchise-- he may be worth it. I think the Reds will counter with $8 million.

Volquez asks for $4 million, but the Reds counter with only $2.75 million citing injuries and ineffectiveness. (I think the Reds could win this one and may go all the way through the process to do so.)

Cueto will ask for $4 million and Reds will counter with $3 million, IMO. They'll likely settle early with an LTC in the neighborhood of four years and $35 million before the start of the season.

Burton will ask for $1 million, but the Reds will play hardball, countering with only $550,000. (And likely win. Burton's been hurt for, like, eight years now.)

Bray will ask for $2 million, but the Reds may want to take the hard road with him as well, offering only $750,000. They may point to his TJ surgery and lost season, as well as the half season he had in 2010.

membengal
01-15-2011, 09:24 AM
My least favorite part of the baseball season is arbitration season. Just a crappy process all around for team, player and fans.

PuffyPig
01-15-2011, 09:34 AM
Burton will ask for $1 million, but the Reds will play hardball, countering with only $550,000. (And likely win. Burton's been hurt for, like, eight years now.)



Burton signed last week for $750,000.

kaldaniels
01-15-2011, 09:39 AM
I'm guessing Votto asks for $10 million. Current MVP, two phenomenal seasons in a row, face of a winning (as of 2010) franchise-- he may be worth it. I think the Reds will counter with $8 million.

Volquez asks for $4 million, but the Reds counter with only $2.75 million citing injuries and ineffectiveness. (I think the Reds could win this one and may go all the way through the process to do so.)

Cueto will ask for $4 million and Reds will counter with $3 million, IMO. They'll likely settle early with an LTC in the neighborhood of four years and $35 million before the start of the season.

Burton will ask for $1 million, but the Reds will play hardball, countering with only $550,000. (And likely win. Burton's been hurt for, like, eight years now.)

Bray will ask for $2 million, but the Reds may want to take the hard road with him as well, offering only $750,000. They may point to his TJ surgery and lost season, as well as the half season he had in 2010.

It always helps to put down your numbers year by year in writing when figuring LTC for arb guys. If Cueto went to arb the next three years he might make 20 million....if he continues to improve. No way he is worth a 4 yr, 35 million contract...at least with his asking price of 4 million for 2011 that you provide.

Scrap Irony
01-15-2011, 09:46 AM
I actually meant to hit 2 and not 3 on the keyboard, figuring he makes strides and Cincinnati is willing to take care of him for the security of a quality pitcher and cost certainty.

kaldaniels
01-15-2011, 09:47 AM
I actually meant to hit 2 and not 3 on the keyboard, figuring he makes strides and Cincinnati is willing to take care of him for the security of a quality pitcher and cost certainty.

That explains it. I'd sign up for that.

Scrap Irony
01-15-2011, 09:55 AM
Burton signed last week for $750,000.

Pretty close to halfway in the middle, then, of player and team figure.

camisadelgolf
01-15-2011, 02:14 PM
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Reds-Rumors-MLBTradeRumorscom/133794710005587
"John Fay of the Cincinnati Enquirer hears from some player agents that Joey Votto will submit an arbitration number between $8.5-$9.5MM, while the Reds' counter-offer will be around $7MM. Back in August, MLBTR's Ben Nicholson-Smith suggested that Votto would ask for $7MM, but since then Votto has added a playoff appearance and the NL MVP Award to his resume."

RedsManRick
01-15-2011, 10:18 PM
I could see the Reds and Votto coming to a 3 year deal before the hearing -- something like 3/33 at $8M, $11M, $14M. No extra commitment from Joey, but cost certainty for both.

kaldaniels
01-15-2011, 11:58 PM
I could see the Reds and Votto coming to a 3 year deal before the hearing -- something like 3/33 at $8M, $11M, $14M. No extra commitment from Joey, but cost certainty for both.

The cost certainty is nice, but if I'm running the front office I go year to year if unable to tack at least one post-arb year onto the deal. Not disagreeing with you since it is just a prediction, but I wouldn't do that.

edabbs44
01-16-2011, 12:15 AM
A tweet about Arbitration filings here, is "Joey Bats" Joey Votto?

Joey Bats is Jose Batista.

TheNext44
01-16-2011, 12:34 AM
The cost certainty is nice, but if I'm running the front office I go year to year if unable to tack at least one post-arb year onto the deal. Not disagreeing with you since it is just a prediction, but I wouldn't do that.

The reason to lock up Votto for his arb years is if the Reds think salaries will be going up in the next three years, which might be the case. They certainly went up this off-season. But otherwise, I agree, there's not much other reason for the Reds to do it.

Mario-Rijo
01-16-2011, 08:53 AM
Joey Bats is Jose Batista.

Ah, thanks.

Will M
01-18-2011, 07:18 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/01/18/arbitration-numbers/

bucksfan2
01-19-2011, 09:18 AM
I can see Cueto getting what he wants. Volquez on the other hand I just don't know. I would imagine that a large portion of the Reds argument is that he was popped for PED's.

Gallen5862
01-19-2011, 10:06 AM
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

John Fay of The Cincinnati Enquirer has the breakdown of Joey Votto's new contact with the Reds. The reigning NL MVP will earn $5.5MM in 2011 and $9.5MM in 2012 before jumping up to $17MM in 2013. His $6MM signing bonus will be paid out between now and 2014.

buckeyenut
01-19-2011, 10:19 AM
What is difference between signing bonus and contract when contract is guaranteed?

5.5M contract is a very nice # for 2011.

camisadelgolf
01-19-2011, 10:26 AM
What is difference between signing bonus and contract when contract is guaranteed?

5.5M contract is a very nice # for 2011.
Bonuses are paid in lump sums, whereas a contract is paid out over the course of an entire season. I believe I heard that $2.5MM of Votto's signing bonus was paid at the time of the signing.

camisadelgolf
01-19-2011, 12:27 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/01/18/arbitration-numbers/
For you lazy people who don't like clicking links, here are the terms:
Johnny Cueto
Reds: $3.0MM
Cueto: $3.9MM

Edinson Volquez
Reds: $1.3MM
Volquez: $2.0MM