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mroby85
02-02-2011, 11:16 PM
Profootball talk is reporting Jay Gruden is in Cincinnati, and likely to be the Bengals next OC. (brother of Jon)

Boston Red
02-03-2011, 12:34 AM
My favorite Louisville Cardinal QB!

freestyle55
02-03-2011, 09:44 AM
It just fits perfectly. Mike Brown hires less competent family members of someone with actual talent (see Paul Brown's family, Jordan Palmer) so naturally Jay Gruden, with his wealth of AFL and UFL head coaching experience is a natural fit!

wolfboy
02-03-2011, 10:49 AM
It just fits perfectly. Mike Brown hires less competent family members of someone with actual talent (see Paul Brown's family, Jordan Palmer) so naturally Jay Gruden, with his wealth of AFL and UFL head coaching experience is a natural fit!

Dave Shula anyone?

New York Red
02-03-2011, 11:35 AM
It just fits perfectly. Mike Brown hires less competent family members of someone with actual talent (see Paul Brown's family, Jordan Palmer) so naturally Jay Gruden, with his wealth of AFL and UFL head coaching experience is a natural fit!
Exactly what I thought when I first heard this.

Reds Freak
02-03-2011, 12:08 PM
I've been told the guy is crazy, in the Mike Zimmer mold. Maybe it will be good to bring that type of mentality to the offensive side of the ball.

Caveat Emperor
02-03-2011, 12:23 PM
Dave Shula anyone?

Not even close. Jay Gruden has former head coaching experience (it may be Arena League, but the skillset required to manage assistants coaches, players, and team affairs is all the same), worked on his brother's staff on the Bucs team that went to the Super Bowl (actually working both gigs -- NFL and AFL -- at the same time), and was a pretty damn good quarterback in his own right (actually "un-retired" and went from coaching to become his team's starting QB for the Orlando Predators). Shula's resume was crap, by comparison.

I like the hire a lot. His brother got on my nerves as Tampa's head coach (with his bipolar treatment of his starting QBs and seeming lack of any long-term plan for the franchise), but the offense was always professional.

Carson Palmer should be thrilled today.

bucksfan2
02-03-2011, 12:32 PM
Not even close. Jay Gruden has former head coaching experience (it may be Arena League, but the skillset required to manage assistants coaches, players, and team affairs is all the same), worked on his brother's staff on the Bucs team that went to the Super Bowl (actually working both gigs -- NFL and AFL -- at the same time), and was a pretty damn good quarterback in his own right (actually "un-retired" and went from coaching to become his team's starting QB for the Orlando Predators). Shula's resume was crap, by comparison.

I like the hire a lot. His brother got on my nerves as Tampa's head coach (with his bipolar treatment of his starting QBs and seeming lack of any long-term plan for the franchise), but the offense was always professional.

Carson Palmer should be thrilled today.

I was hoping Childress would get the job. I think there is a benefit to having former head coaches on your staff. They can help and critique you with game management issues that people who haven't been the decision maker can't. Its easy for a fan to sit back and say "he should never have done it" but in the heat of the moment the decision is much more complex and having someone who has been there before can help.

That said I like the Gruden hire. He may not be the tradition hire but he had coached at many different levels. He coached both in Arena league football and traditional NFL style football the UFL. He also has experience being on Tampa's staff. It will be fun to see how he implements both forms of offense into his play calling.

MikeS21
02-03-2011, 01:35 PM
My gut is that I like this hire. He may not have NFL experience, but every coach has to start somewhere. The AFL and the UFL are not the same as the NFL, but he has been an assistant in the NFL.

My question is how much influence will he have on replacing some of the offensive coaches? And will he be enough to placate Carson Palmer and convince Benson to re-sign?

bucksfan2
02-03-2011, 01:40 PM
My gut is that I like this hire. He may not have NFL experience, but every coach has to start somewhere. The AFL and the UFL are not the same as the NFL, but he has been an assistant in the NFL.

My question is how much influence will he have on replacing some of the offensive coaches? And will he be enough to placate Carson Palmer and convince Benson to re-sign?

For his sake he better hope he can convince Palmer to stay. While Palmer isn't a world beater (I would trade him for a nice package) he still top half QB in the NFL. Without Palmer the Bengals are in trouble and starring Andrew Luck in the face next season.

Don't really get all the love for Benson. He had a nice run with the Bengals but I am not opening up the pocket books for him. I wonder how much tread he has left on his tires and would be content going with Scott + another RB.

wolfboy
02-03-2011, 02:20 PM
Not even close. Jay Gruden has former head coaching experience (it may be Arena League, but the skillset required to manage assistants coaches, players, and team affairs is all the same), worked on his brother's staff on the Bucs team that went to the Super Bowl (actually working both gigs -- NFL and AFL -- at the same time), and was a pretty damn good quarterback in his own right (actually "un-retired" and went from coaching to become his team's starting QB for the Orlando Predators). Shula's resume was crap, by comparison.

I like the hire a lot. His brother got on my nerves as Tampa's head coach (with his bipolar treatment of his starting QBs and seeming lack of any long-term plan for the franchise), but the offense was always professional.

Carson Palmer should be thrilled today.

I wasn't comparing him to Shula. Just naming another less famous family member hired by the Bengals.

Benihana
02-03-2011, 06:19 PM
For his sake he better hope he can convince Palmer to stay. While Palmer isn't a world beater (I would trade him for a nice package) he still top half QB in the NFL. Without Palmer the Bengals are in trouble and starring Andrew Luck in the face next season.

Don't really get all the love for Benson. He had a nice run with the Bengals but I am not opening up the pocket books for him. I wonder how much tread he has left on his tires and would be content going with Scott + another RB.

If there were a way to ensure the Bengals would be staring Andrew Luck in the face next season, I'd be all over it. I'd trade Palmer and bring on LeFevour in a second if it lead to Luck next year.

Knowing the Bengals, they'll tank the season but win just enough meaningless games at the end to lose out on Luck.

Redsfaithful
02-03-2011, 06:27 PM
From what I've read he seems like a good coach.

I like this better than hiring a retread who has failed in other jobs. We'll see. The next season really depends on Carson coming back, if he does I think they can be competitive. If he doesn't then they are a couple years away minimum regardless of coaching.

Joseph
02-03-2011, 07:08 PM
I like the hire. Childress was mentioned, but I'm not for his hiring as OC. He was a bad head coach in the NFL. Gruden at least was a championship caliber coach in the leagues he was in. It will be good to have a 'winning' mentality on the sidelines.

I admittedly did not watch a great deal of AFL programming, but the highlights were often face paced and high scoring. I hope he is able to bring that kind of offense to Cincinnati. If he can, I'm all for the hire. If he's Ced off tackle on 1st down over and over, then it doesn't matter.

cincrazy
02-04-2011, 09:47 AM
I hope we go 0-16 next season, Marvin Lewis gets let go, we draft Andrew Luck with the #1 pick in the draft, and hire Jon Gruden as head coach.

Newport Red
02-04-2011, 10:44 AM
I like the hire. Childress was mentioned, but I'm not for his hiring as OC. He was a bad head coach in the NFL. Gruden at least was a championship caliber coach in the leagues he was in. It will be good to have a 'winning' mentality on the sidelines.

I admittedly did not watch a great deal of AFL programming, but the highlights were often face paced and high scoring. I hope he is able to bring that kind of offense to Cincinnati. If he can, I'm all for the hire. If he's Ced off tackle on 1st down over and over, then it doesn't matter.

It worked two years ago. It's worked for Pittsburgh for years.

cincrazy
02-07-2011, 05:52 PM
It worked two years ago. It's worked for Pittsburgh for years.

But the NFL has evolved. It got us to the playoffs two years ago, but we got drilled in the first round, and many of our wins that year, quite frankly, were luck-oriented.

The last 3 or 4 NFL champs have rushed for less than 100 yards in the Super Bowl. That's a telling statistic to me. Even Pittsburgh has evolved. The run game still exists, but it's much more about Big Ben and those receivers nowadays.

Mario-Rijo
02-09-2011, 12:16 PM
But the NFL has evolved. It got us to the playoffs two years ago, but we got drilled in the first round, and many of our wins that year, quite frankly, were luck-oriented.

The last 3 or 4 NFL champs have rushed for less than 100 yards in the Super Bowl. That's a telling statistic to me. Even Pittsburgh has evolved. The run game still exists, but it's much more about Big Ben and those receivers nowadays.

Cin, you and I get along pretty well and at times even drink from similar water sources (so to speak we live pretty close and we both have/do frequent Pizza Pause) so don't take this personal but I completely disagree.

2 years ago the Bengals got to the playoffs running the ball, playing good defense and sprinkling in the pass. Towards the end and especially in the playoff game Bratkowski stopped using the run to set up the pass and started to get pass happy (once he thought Carson was finally out of the danger zone with his shoulder). He inexplicably started trying to pass the ball around on the #1 passing defense in the league, yet whenever he gave the ball to Ced he ran wild on the Jets (169 yards IIRC on 21 carries). My opinion isn't that they got lucky that season, but that they took a sound approach as a team and wore out the opposition creating a situation where they were often the better team at the end of games. Pittsburgh has won despite the fact they pass the ball way too much IMO and as a matter of fact their owner came out after '09 and said they needed to get back to running the ball more which they did but it wasn't quite enough IMO.

One thing is true about offense always, turnovers hurt every squad on the team and the team overall itself. To keep turnovers low it is wise to be run heavy and/or run a short passing scheme which makes putting the ball up less risky.

I like Grudens philosophical approach to the game (according to the talks he has had with the press so far as a Bengal) and it should be just what we see here (run/pass 55/45 with a short passing game and a good play action long game). If we can't bring back Palmer, Kevin Kolb is now a very sound fit for this team. Sure he isn't Mike Vick but he with Benson in the backfield I think the offense can be quite effective. What we would then need is a premier defensive player of some kind, a difference maker like Clay Matthews at LB, Polamalu or Ed Reed at Safety or a monster on the line. Pretty good balance across the board should bring this team back to relevance quickly.

Sea Ray
02-09-2011, 03:23 PM
Cin, you and I get along pretty well and at times even drink from similar water sources (so to speak we live pretty close and we both have/do frequent Pizza Pause) so don't take this personal but I completely disagree.

2 years ago the Bengals got to the playoffs running the ball, playing good defense and sprinkling in the pass. Towards the end and especially in the playoff game Bratkowski stopped using the run to set up the pass and started to get pass happy (once he thought Carson was finally out of the danger zone with his shoulder). He inexplicably started trying to pass the ball around on the #1 passing defense in the league, yet whenever he gave the ball to Ced he ran wild on the Jets (169 yards IIRC on 21 carries). My opinion isn't that they got lucky that season, but that they took a sound approach as a team and wore out the opposition creating a situation where they were often the better team at the end of games. Pittsburgh has won despite the fact they pass the ball way too much IMO and as a matter of fact their owner came out after '09 and said they needed to get back to running the ball more which they did but it wasn't quite enough IMO.

One thing is true about offense always, turnovers hurt every squad on the team and the team overall itself. To keep turnovers low it is wise to be run heavy and/or run a short passing scheme which makes putting the ball up less risky.

I like Grudens philosophical approach to the game (according to the talks he has had with the press so far as a Bengal) and it should be just what we see here (run/pass 55/45 with a short passing game and a good play action long game). If we can't bring back Palmer, Kevin Kolb is now a very sound fit for this team. Sure he isn't Mike Vick but he with Benson in the backfield I think the offense can be quite effective. What we would then need is a premier defensive player of some kind, a difference maker like Clay Matthews at LB, Polamalu or Ed Reed at Safety or a monster on the line. Pretty good balance across the board should bring this team back to relevance quickly.

Running is overrated in the NFL. It's even debatable whether it's truly safer. It can be argued that Mendenhall's fumble cost the Steelers the game. The lack of passing is where the Bengals fell short in 2009.

Yachtzee
02-09-2011, 11:47 PM
Running is overrated in the NFL. It's even debatable whether it's truly safer. It can be argued that Mendenhall's fumble cost the Steelers the game. The lack of passing is where the Bengals fell short in 2009.

Running, passing,....what does it matter? Without a solid OL neither will get you anywhere.

Mario-Rijo
02-10-2011, 05:25 AM
Running is overrated in the NFL. It's even debatable whether it's truly safer. It can be argued that Mendenhall's fumble cost the Steelers the game. The lack of passing is where the Bengals fell short in 2009.

Really, It wouldn't be the TD Roethlisberger threw to the Packers defense that kept GB ahead for good? Sorry running the ball/a short passing game i.e. low risk/high reward is IMO the best way to go in the NFL. Even the worst fumblers don't turn the ball over as much as even the best guys at eluding picks. And further the game itself lends to playing together, not just individual to individual but unit to unit as well. Not making mistakes, possessing the clock and so on offensively plays into how well your defense and the opposing offense plays. Not to mention special teams.

Bottom line is execution is the most important part of any game plan and a number of things play into that and IMO running it lends itself to better execution. Now granted in todays NFL you can't just run the ball 70 or 80% of the time because you need bigger chunks of yardage at times so some balance is required. But forcing the opposing defense to defend the run first and foremost and supplementing it with a short to intermediate controlled passing game, with the occasional long ball, preferably off of play action is ideal IMO. Coming out going intermediate to deep often and spotting that with a run game is a recipe for disaster IMO. Sure you'll have the occasional team make some noise with it but rarely does a team like that go deep into the playoffs.

Redsfaithful
02-10-2011, 05:47 PM
I'd love to see the Bengals move to more of a short yardage passing game. Way too much of Brat's offense was high risk sideline stuff. I'd also love to never have to see another fade route to Chad in the end zone.