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Eric_the_Red
02-05-2011, 08:39 PM
Seven were announced as the new HOF class: Deion Sanders, Marshall Faulk, Richard Dent, Shannon Sharpe, Chris Hanburger, Les Richter and Ed Sabol (NFL Films founder).

What does Chris Carter have to do to get in?

http://www.nfl.com/halloffame/story/09000d5d81e2560a/article/sanders-faulk-dent-among-seven-elected-to-hall-of-fame?module=breaking_news

Joseph
02-05-2011, 11:05 PM
Good question, seems like the NFL lets everyone in.

Yachtzee
02-07-2011, 05:06 PM
Good question, seems like the NFL lets everyone in.

Unless you're a Bengal. Ken Riley and Ken Anderson both deserve consideration. With 65 career ints, good for fourth on on all-time list, Ken Riley is like the Bert Blyleven of Defensive Backs.

Slyder
02-07-2011, 05:08 PM
Cris Carter the victim of playing at the same time as Jerry Rice?

RedsBaron
02-07-2011, 05:16 PM
Unless you're a Bengal. Ken Riley and Ken Anderson both deserve consideration. With 65 career ints, good for fourth on on all-time list, Ken Riley is like the Bert Blyleven of Defensive Backs.

I have never understood why Dan Fouts easily made the HOF while Ken Anderson has not. Of course another Ken, Kenny Snake Stabler, should also be in the Hall of Fame, but he has been blackballed by the media. For that matter, why isn't Jerry Kramer in the HOF?

MikeThierry
02-08-2011, 01:06 AM
Good question, seems like the NFL lets everyone in.

I don't know about that. In my opinion, the NFL has the best selection process and is light years ahead of the MLB hall of fame.

RichRed
02-08-2011, 02:49 PM
For that matter, why isn't Jerry Kramer in the HOF?

I just finished reading Kramer's book "Instant Replay" and I admit, I just assumed all these years that he was already in the HOF. That's a real puzzler.

cumberlandreds
02-10-2011, 07:29 AM
I just finished reading Kramer's book "Instant Replay" and I admit, I just assumed all these years that he was already in the HOF. That's a real puzzler.

Same here. I thought he was too. I have read that unless you are a no brainer selection for the Pro Football HOF that you have to do quite a bit of politicking to the voters to get in. Especially so for the older guys like Kramer. I think some of these guys just don't want to do that to get in.

Chip R
02-11-2011, 12:20 AM
I just finished reading Kramer's book "Instant Replay" and I admit, I just assumed all these years that he was already in the HOF. That's a real puzzler.


Same here. I thought he was too. I have read that unless you are a no brainer selection for the Pro Football HOF that you have to do quite a bit of politicking to the voters to get in. Especially so for the older guys like Kramer. I think some of these guys just don't want to do that to get in.

I've always wondered that myself. IIRC, Forrest Gregg & Fuzzy Thurston are both in but I always wondered why he isn't. I suppose someone like John Clayton or Peter King or Paul Zimmerman would know.

RedsBaron
02-11-2011, 06:57 AM
I've read speculation that since a lot of the Lombardi Packers are already in the HOF that voters have had a feeling that enough of them have been inducted and this has kept Jerry kramer out.
Chip mentioned Paul Zimmerman. He's now in ill health but he is the guy who lead the blackballing of Ken Stabler from the HOF. Stabler should be in.
I still think Ken Anderson should be in if Dan Fouts is in.

Revering4Blue
02-11-2011, 02:29 PM
I've read speculation that since a lot of the Lombardi Packers are already in the HOF that voters have had a feeling that enough of them have been inducted and this has kept Jerry kramer out.
Chip mentioned Paul Zimmerman. He's now in ill health but he is the guy who lead the blackballing of Ken Stabler from the HOF. Stabler should be in.
I still think Ken Anderson should be in if Dan Fouts is in.

Exactly.


Ken Riley is like the Bert Blyleven of Defensive Backs

No doubt. What's interesting is that Ken Riley was a college QB who had never previously played a down at CB. Riley also accumulated several kick return yards in the NFL, IIRC.

If Riley is the Bert Blyleven of DBs, Louis Wright is the Artis Gilmore--using a B-Ball analogy--of DBs.

They both belong in the Hall of Fame.

RedsBaron
02-11-2011, 02:54 PM
Ken Anderson's career overlapped most of Dan Fouts's career, as Anderson played from 1971 through 1986 while Fouts played from 1973 through 1987. Fouts does lead Anderson in some categories, including yards passing 43,040 to 32,838, yards per attempt, 7.7 to 7.3, and TD passes, 254 to 197.
Anderson threw far fewer interceptions, 160 to Fouts's 242, with that 82 difference more than making up for Fouts's 57 lead in TD passes.
Anderson edges Fouts in passing percentage, 59.3% to 58.8%. Anderson also has the edge in passer rating, 81.9 to 80.2.
Anderson lead the league in passer rating four times in his career while Fouts never had a season where he lead in passer rating.
Each QB lead his league in completions twice. Anderson three times lead his league in completion percentage while Fouts did that once. Anderson lead his league in yards passing twice while Fouts did so four times.
While it is unfair to rate a QB on his team's record, Anderson's career mark there was 91-81 and Fouts was 86-84-1. In the post season Anderson went 2-4 and Fouts went 3-4. Anderson did take a team to a Super Bowl, something Fouts never did.
Anderson was All Pro once, Fouts twice. Anderson went to the Pro Bowl four times, Fouts six times.

Tony Cloninger
03-03-2011, 10:56 PM
Ken Anderson's career overlapped most of Dan Fouts's career, as Anderson played from 1971 through 1986 while Fouts played from 1973 through 1987. Fouts does lead Anderson in some categories, including yards passing 43,040 to 32,838, yards per attempt, 7.7 to 7.3, and TD passes, 254 to 197.
Anderson threw far fewer interceptions, 160 to Fouts's 242, with that 82 difference more than making up for Fouts's 57 lead in TD passes.
Anderson edges Fouts in passing percentage, 59.3% to 58.8%. Anderson also has the edge in passer rating, 81.9 to 80.2.
Anderson lead the league in passer rating four times in his career while Fouts never had a season where he lead in passer rating.
Each QB lead his league in completions twice. Anderson three times lead his league in completion percentage while Fouts did that once. Anderson lead his league in yards passing twice while Fouts did so four times.
While it is unfair to rate a QB on his team's record, Anderson's career mark there was 91-81 and Fouts was 86-84-1. In the post season Anderson went 2-4 and Fouts went 3-4. Anderson did take a team to a Super Bowl, something Fouts never did.
Anderson was All Pro once, Fouts twice. Anderson went to the Pro Bowl four times, Fouts six times.


Besides 1976 season....Fouts did nothing prior to the 1978 rule changes...and it took being with Bill Walsh in 1976 as OC, along with getting Charlie Joiner for Coy Bacon from Cincy....for him to be effective.
Meanwhile Anderson from 1973-75 had some of his best seasons when teams ran the ball 60-70%...even when they were losing. Just a completely different game.