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mroby85
02-10-2011, 04:08 PM
Orlando Cabrera signed with Cleveland. Kinda disappointed the Reds didn't bring him back, I think he was a good leader for this team. Hopefully Renteria will be an upgrade.

757690
02-10-2011, 04:11 PM
Good to hear that he landed somewhere. I really liked him, even if he wasn't that productive anymore. He seemed like a nice guy that the other players learned a lot from. I wish him the best in Cleveland... except for the Ohio Cup. :)

bounty37h
02-10-2011, 04:13 PM
Yeah, i think Cabrera took a lot of crap, but I liked having him on the team. Wish we could have had him a few season before when he was still at top of his game.

757690
02-10-2011, 04:19 PM
The report is that they will ask him to move to 2B. He has a good chance to start there and be pretty good.

Oxblood
02-10-2011, 04:28 PM
The report is that they will ask him to move to 2B. He has a good chance to start there and be pretty good.

You kiddin? Guy was terrible, good riddance.

Janish was twice the player as OCab last season but somehow Duhsty failed to see that.

mroby85
02-10-2011, 04:44 PM
You kiddin? Guy was terrible, good riddance.

Janish was twice the player as OCab last season but somehow Duhsty failed to see that.
Cabrera
494 AB's
hit .263
64 runs
4 HR
42 RBI
11 SB

Janish
200 AB's
hit .260
23 runs
5 HR
25 RBI
1 SB

This isn't factoring in leadership qualities Cabrera has that Janish doesn't. If those kinds of numbers clearly makes Janish twice the player, I'd like to see the math classes you took. Not to mention Janish's numbers would likely go down if he had 494 AB's in my opinion, and I feel its a fair one.

Oxblood
02-10-2011, 04:59 PM
Cabrera
494 AB's
hit .263
64 runs
4 HR
42 RBI
11 SB

Janish
200 AB's
hit .260
23 runs
5 HR
25 RBI
1 SB

This isn't factoring in leadership qualities Cabrera has that Janish doesn't. If those kinds of numbers clearly makes Janish twice the player, I'd like to see the math classes you took. Not to mention Janish's numbers would likely go down if he had 494 AB's in my opinion, and I feel its a fair one.
Lol, did you actually watch any games last season? Cabrera was terrible.

757690
02-10-2011, 05:04 PM
You kiddin? Guy was terrible, good riddance.

Janish was twice the player as OCab last season but somehow Duhsty failed to see that.

OCab was probably below average in terms of production, both offensively and defensively. I agree. It was hard to watch him defensively at times.

But I think he had a strong impact on Phillips' growth last season, in fact, Phillips has said just that.

I am glad Janish is taking over, and I think Renteria will be a fine replacement for OCab, but I am glad for him, when what appears to be a good team player and well liked individual finds a job.

mroby85
02-10-2011, 05:05 PM
Lol, did you actually watch any games last season? Cabrera was terrible.

I watched just about every game, in fact i'd be willing to bet I watched more games than you did. Regardless if watching games is your measuring stick, don't you think "Duhsty" saw him and Janish compete more than either one of us?
I didn't think Cabrera was terrible at all, not to mention he was a leader on the team according to every player I ever heard talk about him. I seem to remember a quote from Joey Votto when Cabrera was injured towards the end of the season that was stating anyone who didn't think Cabrera being out was a big loss for the team wasn't in the clubhouse, and didn't know very much about baseball.

Oxblood
02-10-2011, 05:07 PM
He's a bum with a dirty helmet. Team is better off without him.

mroby85
02-10-2011, 05:08 PM
He's a bum with a dirty helmet. Team is better off without him.

lol

brm7675
02-10-2011, 05:33 PM
Cabrera
494 AB's
hit .263
64 runs
4 HR
42 RBI
11 SB

Janish
200 AB's
hit .260
23 runs
5 HR
25 RBI
1 SB

This isn't factoring in leadership qualities Cabrera has that Janish doesn't. If those kinds of numbers clearly makes Janish twice the player, I'd like to see the math classes you took. Not to mention Janish's numbers would likely go down if he had 494 AB's in my opinion, and I feel its a fair one.

"Leadership qualities" what a load of crudola.

Jefferson24
02-10-2011, 05:42 PM
Orlando Cabrera signed with Cleveland. Kinda disappointed the Reds didn't bring him back, I think he was a good leader for this team.

Trouble is Dusty would have played him 5 days a week if he were here in 2011. The only way I want him back is as a spring training coach.

757690
02-10-2011, 05:45 PM
"Leadership qualities" what a load of crudola.

Ask Phillips about them. Then ask Bruce about Edmonds' leadership qualities. Then ask Leake and Wood about Arroyo's.

Sometimes they show up in other players production.

goreds2
02-10-2011, 09:11 PM
I wish him well as he was a great leader that taught the team to win.

:(I also wish he would have sat out game 3 of the NLDS though.

mroby85
02-10-2011, 09:38 PM
"Leadership qualities" what a load of crudola.

Im confused by this comment, you think leadership qualities dont exist or aren't important? To that i say, what a load of crudola.

arkimadee
02-11-2011, 01:53 AM
I don't think Renteria will be able to fill his shoes by being the most hated shortstop on this board. lol... i'm gonna miss the moaning everytime we see him in the lineup.. in all seriousness, good luck Orlando, you were a big part of last years playoff team..

Captain13
02-11-2011, 11:30 AM
Here is my question about OCab: He has been to the post-season six of the last seven years, credited in part to his leadership skills, so why does he keep getting moved? Is he that important to these teams? Is he just lucky with where he signs? Is he a leader, a cancer, a non-factor in the clubhouse? I guess it is mulitiple questions, but they are all related.

DocRed
02-11-2011, 11:46 AM
How much did he sign for?

goreds2
02-27-2011, 12:20 PM
I will say the Indians got a good deal signing him for a million dollars.

Orlando Cabrera denies retirement

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=6148097&w_cid=widgets:team:mlb:

Seņor Rojo
02-27-2011, 03:23 PM
Here is my question about OCab: He has been to the post-season six of the last seven years, credited in part to his leadership skills, so why does he keep getting moved?

I would be shocked if the Indians made the playoffs this year. Cabrera's playoff luck may run out this season.

Vottomatic
02-28-2011, 08:25 AM
I saw so many games where Cabrera couldn't get to a ball or he flat out missed it. It got old. And I saw so many games where Janish amazed me defensively.

And Cabrera's OBP (without looking it up) sucked.

This team has enough leaders. They needed to strengthen the defense up the middle and they did by handing it over to Janish and signing Renteria as the backup option in case Janish fails. Had OCab returned, he would have whined about not starting, blah, blah, blah.

OCab only should have returned if he wanted to be a bat boy like he was for one game last year. :D

swaisuc
02-28-2011, 08:37 AM
I saw so many games where Cabrera couldn't get to a ball or he flat out missed it. It got old. And I saw so many games where Janish amazed me defensively.

And Cabrera's OBP (without looking it up) sucked.

This team has enough leaders. They needed to strengthen the defense up the middle and they did by handing it over to Janish and signing Renteria as the backup option in case Janish fails. Had OCab returned, he would have whined about not starting, blah, blah, blah.

OCab only should have returned if he wanted to be a bat boy like he was for one game last year. :D


This is the answer to the earlier question about why he keeps getting moved. Cabrera's highest value is to a team with a solid young team that needs leadership. This team no longer fits that description.