View Full Version : Auburn Trees Poisoned, Perpetrator apprehended
http://auburn.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1190113
Really, really sad. I hope they can save the trees but it doesn't sound promising. I love big, old trees and the ones at Auburn are a huge part of their campus tradition...
They should really throw the book at this guy. What a buffoon, and calling into a radio show to brag about it to boot.
Brutus
02-17-2011, 09:01 PM
Idiot of the year, definitely in the running.
But sentence shouldn't be too severe. After all... they're trees.
Slyder
02-18-2011, 12:00 AM
They need to throw the book at him for being a dumbass and keep him from harming himself or someone else with his stupidity.
SeeinRed
02-18-2011, 01:41 AM
Idiot of the year, definitely in the running.
But sentence shouldn't be too severe. After all... they're trees.
I agree with this. He is an absolute idiot, and what he did is about as dumb as it gets. That doesn't mean what he did was worthy of some outlandish penalty. "Fans" have done much more idiotic and harmful things. Not saying he shouldn't be punished, but this is hardly a case where extreme measures should be involved.
They need to throw the book at him for being a dumbass and keep him from harming himself or someone else with his stupidity.
Pretty much this. It's very likely the herbicide is going to leech into the water supply. Its probably going to cost several million dollars to clean up if the mess is as bad as initially indicated.
The reason he poured poison is asinine and frankly about as trivial as can be imagined but what he actually did was very serious.
Brutus
02-18-2011, 04:11 AM
They need to throw the book at him for being a dumbass and keep him from harming himself or someone else with his stupidity.
It's a huge leap from harming a plant to harming someone.
I don't even think that's in the psychology textbooks.
cumberlandreds
02-18-2011, 09:31 AM
IMO, he should be punished as much as the law allows. Today its trees,tomorrow it could be a human(s) who are getting the poison. No one should be naive enogh to think that things could go that far either. Maybe a severe punishment could make someone think twice the next time.
WVRed
02-18-2011, 10:05 AM
What is really sad is that this is a black eye for Alabama football fans, who are the most passionate football fans in the SEC. They are to football what Kentucky fans are to basketball.
I just hope the actions of one don't reflect on everybody else.
Sea Ray
02-18-2011, 10:22 AM
IMO, he should be punished as much as the law allows. Today its trees,tomorrow it could be a human(s) who are getting the poison. No one should be naive enogh to think that things could go that far either. Maybe a severe punishment could make someone think twice the next time.
What are you basing that on? The article clearly stated there was no danger to humans:
There is no reason to suspect any human danger from the herbicide.
Hoosier Red
02-18-2011, 10:29 AM
I think there's a certain block in someone's brain that says "I'll kill the Auburn trees. Won't that be funny," that shows a lack of appreciation for living things that can certainly be correlated to behavior which could harm humans later. It may not, but I don't think it's a huge leap to suggest it's a very real possibility.
Either you respect and value life, or you don't. Anyone who would so blatantly and maliciously kill off a living thing for no reason other than to piss off another school certainly doesn't value life.
What are you basing that on? The article clearly stated there was no danger to humans:
There is no longer immediate danger to humans from the tebuthiuron that has soaked into the soil-in other words, walking past Toomers corner isn't likely to kill you because there isn't a great chance you'll get enough of it on you or worse, into you to cause severe issues.
There is a problem if it leeches into the water supply and people start ingesting it.....
Raise your hand if you want tebuthiuron dust in your eyes or tebuthiuron in your drinking water....
Who knows how many people he exposed when he initially poured that concentrated stuff on the ground? It could be literally thousands. And since Toomer's corner is a local landmark/photo op, it could have exposed countless children as well.
Dow claims that tebuthiuron doesn't cause cancer in laboratory tests but it's clear by their warning label, you dont want to touch it, breathe it, or ingest it. Also, it's very likely no one has a clue what exposure to tebuthiuron would do to developing fetuses or children for that matter.
"Al" was motivated by fandom and his target was a sports symbol but the potential harm his actions could cause go a lot deeper than those viewing this through a sports/fandom prism might appreciate.
This guy created a small scale environmental disaster that may result in roughly a city block being dug up.
KoryMac5
02-18-2011, 10:58 AM
From an Auburn paper:
Tom McCauley, environmental program manager at the department of risk management and safety, said it is not likely that the herbicide would get into the drinking water supply.
“The migration of this material through that clay would be very difficult,” McCauley said.
The drinking water supply for Auburn is 150 to 250 feet below the ground surface.
Dude was an idiot and I would imagine he will be footing the bill for the clean up for the rest of his life. Had he not called a few people and said something the damage could have been devestating including the chance of poisoning the drinking water of thousands. I would imagine the charges filed will be pretty heavy as stupidity is no excuse.
cumberlandreds
02-18-2011, 11:01 AM
What are you basing that on? The article clearly stated there was no danger to humans:
To clarify, I meant humans could get killed not by dying from this herbicide which we know they cannot. It only takes one lunatic to take revenge and kill a coach or player by whatever means,guns,knife or whatever.
Roy Tucker
02-18-2011, 11:29 AM
I just think that they ought to apply every possible law they can to what this moron did. Scour the city, county, state, and federal books and hammer him with whatever you can.
No, its not a tragedy in the sense of human life loss. But it is a stupid tragedy to kill off these irreplaceable trees. Some things just can't be replaced and I imagine these trees can't.
Danny Serafini
02-18-2011, 01:08 PM
I think there's a certain block in someone's brain that says "I'll kill the Auburn trees. Won't that be funny," that shows a lack of appreciation for living things that can certainly be correlated to behavior which could harm humans later. It may not, but I don't think it's a huge leap to suggest it's a very real possibility.
Either you respect and value life, or you don't. Anyone who would so blatantly and maliciously kill off a living thing for no reason other than to piss off another school certainly doesn't value life.
I could get on board with this line of thinking if he had cut the head off of Uga or Bevo or something of that nature, but there's a big difference between animal life and plant life. What you're basically saying is landscaping is murder (exaggerated I know, but still). I took a small tree out by my house last year, does that make me a potential danger to humans?
Oxilon
02-18-2011, 01:18 PM
Roll tide.
I could get on board with this line of thinking if he had cut the head off of Uga or Bevo or something of that nature, but there's a big difference between animal life and plant life. What you're basically saying is landscaping is murder (exaggerated I know, but still). I took a small tree out by my house last year, does that make me a potential danger to humans?
I think he's just having a hard time understanding the malicious nature and blind, hate-filled heart it requires to assume a moral authority that says it's ok to do something like "Al' did... There's just a blackened, rancid crisp where this guy's conscience used to be and it's hard to comprehend how a person could be so hate-filled. I think most people are there with Roy....
BuckeyeRed27
02-18-2011, 01:46 PM
Apparently the guys kids are named Bear and Crimson.
Apparently the guys kids are named Bear and Crimson.
And apparently he never actually attended The University of Alabama.....
BuckeyeRed27
02-18-2011, 02:12 PM
And apparently he never actually attended The University of Alabama.....
Well that's not that shocking.
Chip R
02-18-2011, 02:33 PM
Apparently the guys kids are named Bear and Crimson.
Not Walker and Texas Ranger?
IslandRed
02-18-2011, 02:35 PM
No, its not a tragedy in the sense of human life loss. But it is a stupid tragedy to kill off these irreplaceable trees. Some things just can't be replaced and I imagine these trees can't.
Agreed. This is property damage on another level -- it can't be fixed. There's no insurance company that can write a check for new 130-year-old oak trees. New trees can be planted but it won't be the same until a current Auburn student's great-great-grandchildren are going there.
Agreed. This is property damage on another level -- it can't be fixed. There's no insurance company that can write a check for new 130-year-old oak trees. New trees can be planted but it won't be the same until a current Auburn student's great-great-grandchildren are going there.
Agree wholeheartedly with you and Roy. These trees will have an assessed value, likely into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, but their actual value is much higher than that because they CANNOT be replaced.
I found a really interesting article discussing the motivations behind destroying 'irreplaceable' pieces of nature and/or history. While I think this man's motives are easily discerned, the article still fascinated me so I will share it with you guys...
This search for lost intimacy is precisely what makes the targets of these attacks—ancient trees and rock formations—precious in the first place. They have no purpose or intrinsic value; they simply are. This imbues them with a kind of sacrality. They are precious in part because they remind us that another reality exists beyond the one constructed by man.
Bataille argues that sacrifice is also motivated by the search for lost intimacy. The deliberate and wasteful destruction of something useful, precious, or socially significant defies the logic of the order of things. It creates a hole in mundane reality though which, under the right circumstances, a moment of transcendence can be experienced. Furthermore, the efficacy of the sacrifice is directly proportional to the senselessness of the destruction. Ironically, the social value ascribed to these sites made them ripe for sacrifice. Had the vandals been the only ones on Earth who knew about the Eye of the Needle, it may never have occurred to them to destroy it. Certainly, no sadistic impulse could be satisfied by destroying something that no one was able to appreciate. Instead these sites were the locus of communities, traditions, and histories stretching back centuries. It is this shared meaning that is the true target of the vandal’s sacrificial impulse.
http://www.religiondispatches.org/archive/atheologies/3888/why_did_vandals_try_to_destroy_a_holy_tree_
Hoosier Red
02-18-2011, 04:46 PM
I could get on board with this line of thinking if he had cut the head off of Uga or Bevo or something of that nature, but there's a big difference between animal life and plant life. What you're basically saying is landscaping is murder (exaggerated I know, but still). I took a small tree out by my house last year, does that make me a potential danger to humans?
Your tree can be replaced. Also, you did it to your own property.
If my neighbor has a super cool restored car, that he worked on for 10 years and takes a lot of pride in, the value is not just in the dollar figures associated with the car,(which would be significant) but in the value he places in that car.
If I went and stole the car, then drove it off a cliff, and then called him up to brag about it, there would be value lost. Not just in the assessed value of the car, but in the value he placed in the car which he won't be able to get back, and in the value of destroying the car for no reason other than malicious intent.
If the trees weren't valuable, he wouldn't have bothered to poison them.
Brutus
02-18-2011, 05:02 PM
At the end of the day, it's vandalism and should be treated as nothing more, nothing less.
RedFanAlways1966
02-18-2011, 05:19 PM
At the end of the day, it's vandalism and should be treated as nothing more, nothing less.
True. Give him the maximum sentence for this crime. If it is 30 days in jail, that is fine.
Oh... make sure his cellmate is a 6'5", 350 pound guy whose nickname is Aubie. A guy who also has a huge War Eagle tattooed on his entire back. And make sure he knows what his new 30-day roommate has done. Justice for this stupidity will be served.
True. Give him the maximum sentence for this crime. If it is 30 days in jail, that is fine.
Oh... make sure his cellmate is a 6'5", 350 pound guy whose nickname is Aubie. A guy who also has a huge War Eagle tattooed on his entire back. And make sure he knows what his new 30-day roommate has done. Justice for this stupidity will be served.
He'll have plenty of LSU fans in the general population that will want to be his friend.
At the end of the day, it's vandalism and should be treated as nothing more, nothing less.
At the end of the day its environmental terrorism that could impact human health.
Again, raise your hand if you want tebuthiuron dust in your eyes or tebuthiuron in your drinking water (or in the eyes and water of your children or pregnant loved one)....
Even if it were "just" vandalism, it's property damage on a scale that it will change the face of Auburn's campus...ie. Samford Hall to Toomer's corner-the place where graduation pictures are taken and marriages performed will be defaced... this isn't just like keying a car even if this idiot act didn't also impact the environment.
Brutus
02-18-2011, 05:59 PM
At the end of the day its environmental terrorism that could impact human health.
Again, raise your hand if you want tebuthiuron dust in your eyes or tebuthiuron in your drinking water (or in the eyes and water of your children or pregnant loved one)....
Even if it were "just" vandalism, it's property damage on a scale that it will change the face of Auburn's campus...ie. Samford Hall to Toomer's corner-the place where graduation pictures are taken and marriages performed will be defaced... this isn't just like keying a car even if this idiot act didn't also impact the environment.
Experts on the subject have said that none of those things are really a concern.
For me, a crime is a crime. Terrorism is just a silly adjective to describe things we already know are wrong. Committing a criminal act of any kind shouldn't need the added "terrorism" label slapped on.
He vandalized property. He should be punished for that. Not as some environmental terrorist.
The Operator
02-18-2011, 06:12 PM
It's more than just vandalism, if you ask me. It's destruction of property.
The guy didn't kill anyone, but he did irreparable damage to a portion of land owned by a university and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
If you go and release termites in someones house and it gets destroyed, you may not have killed someone, but I'd bet there'd be a nice hefty punishment in store for you.
I think it's more than just trees. It's part of campus aesthetics. People get very attached to college campus surroundings, they relate it to one of their happiest times of their life. It's a huge place for Auburn's fans. Now it's going to be destroyed. It's something you can't just replace.
Obviously, he shouldn't face the electric chair but I hope they hit him to the fullest extent of the law.
I'm an OSU fan who hates Michigan, but I'm not going to take a wrecking ball to The Big House. There's a difference between being a loyal fan and a psycho, in my opinion.
Danny Serafini
02-18-2011, 06:18 PM
Your tree can be replaced. Also, you did it to your own property.
If my neighbor has a super cool restored car, that he worked on for 10 years and takes a lot of pride in, the value is not just in the dollar figures associated with the car,(which would be significant) but in the value he places in that car.
If I went and stole the car, then drove it off a cliff, and then called him up to brag about it, there would be value lost. Not just in the assessed value of the car, but in the value he placed in the car which he won't be able to get back, and in the value of destroying the car for no reason other than malicious intent.
If the trees weren't valuable, he wouldn't have bothered to poison them.
I'm not arguing the rights and wrongs of the situation. The guy is a jerk, and what he did was wrong. What I'm saying is that it's a gigantic leap to say that because he killed a plant he doesn't value life and that it's a possible precursor to him attacking people. Plant life does not equate to human/animal life.
Is he an idiot? Yes. Is he a psychopath killer? No.
Brutus
02-18-2011, 06:22 PM
It's more than just vandalism, if you ask me. It's destruction of property.
The guy didn't kill anyone, but he did irreparable damage to a portion of land owned by a university and should be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
If you go and release termites in someones house and it gets destroyed, you may not have killed someone, but I'd bet there'd be a nice hefty punishment in store for you.
I think it's more than just trees. It's part of campus aesthetics. People get very attached to college campus surroundings, they relate it to one of their happiest times of their life. It's a huge place for Auburn's fans. Now it's going to be destroyed. It's something you can't just replace.
Obviously, he shouldn't face the electric chair but I hope they hit him to the fullest extent of the law.
I'm an OSU fan who hates Michigan, but I'm not going to take a wrecking ball to The Big House. There's a difference between being a loyal fan and a psycho, in my opinion.
Vandalism is destruction of property though :)
–noun
1.
deliberately mischievous or malicious destruction or damage of property: vandalism of public buildings.
The Operator
02-18-2011, 06:30 PM
Vandalism is destruction of property though :)Stop using facts, they are not welcome when debating with me. :)
But in all reality, I consider "vandalism" to be more of damaging property, not destroying it beyond all repair. Vandalism is usually something that can be fixed, ya know? Sounds like these trees don't stand a chance.
Experts on the subject have said that none of those things are really a concern.
For me, a crime is a crime. Terrorism is just a silly adjective to describe things we already know are wrong. Committing a criminal act of any kind shouldn't need the added "terrorism" label slapped on.
He vandalized property. He should be punished for that. Not as some environmental terrorist.
No they haven't. They've said it's unlikely that the herbicide that has soaked into the soil will leach down to the water table.
That does not address those who were exposed soon after application nor does it address the run off.
He didn't key a car. He deliberately applied poison to a place where thousands pass daily. Then he deliberately went out of his way to incite fear and outrage to further an agenda.
Brutus
02-18-2011, 07:04 PM
No they haven't. They've said it's unlikely that the herbicide that has soaked into the soil will leach down to the water table.
That does not address those who were exposed soon after application nor does it address the run off.
He didn't key a car. He deliberately applied poison to a place where thousands pass daily. Then he deliberately went out of his way to incite fear and outrage to further an agenda.
He "deliberately" committed a crime of which he'll be punished. That's the extent of it.
It was a stupid thing to do by a an idiot that takes things too seriously. Let's not make it out to be bigger than it was.
Throwing around terms like environmental terrorism is hyperbole and really exaggerates the severity of the crime.
He killed a tree. The risk of someone getting sick over what he did is extremely minimal and that has, in fact, been said.
From the report:
Manufacturer Dow Chemical says the substance should be applied with proper clothing protection and a typical use of the herbicide is to kill trees along fence lines. There is no reason to suspect any human danger from the herbicide.
He "deliberately" committed a crime of which he'll be punished. That's the extent of it.
It was a stupid thing to do by a an idiot that takes things too seriously. Let's not make it out to be bigger than it was.
Throwing around terms like environmental terrorism is hyperbole and really exaggerates the severity of the crime.
He killed a tree. The risk of someone getting sick over what he did is extremely minimal and that has, in fact, been said.
From the report:
Dow basically recommends application with your eyes protected, mouth ventilated and body covered. They also caution to avoid contact with eyes and skin.
You know what also happened a couple of weeks after the Iron bowl when "Al" was dumping several gallons of concentrated herbicide on Toomer's corner? Something called graduation. Do you know what that means? People were lined up in the Samford courtyard getting their pictures taken. Children were hugging the oaks. You know what they weren't wearing? The type of protective clothing Dow recommends someone should wear when applying the diluted herbicide. How is someone supposed to avoid contact with their eyes and skin if they don't know they're standing in an area dowsed with the concentrated stuff?
"Al" poisoned a city block and intentionally tried to incite the community by calling a radio station and making several calls to the university. Environmental terrorism is much more accurate than calling this a simple act of vandalism. Dismissing this as a simple act of vandalism is a gross understatement.
Is there anyone who would pour a gallon of that stuff in their backyard and then let their child play in the area? Heck who would even let their pet in the area? Clearly this rises above simple vandalism.
Sea Ray
02-18-2011, 09:38 PM
Again, raise your hand if you want tebuthiuron dust in your eyes or tebuthiuron in your drinking water (or in the eyes and water of your children or pregnant loved one)....
Raise your hand if you want urine in your drinking water? How show it be treated if my dog took a leak at that tree? No one has said that this (I agree criminal) act will cause human health problems. You're jumping the gun by assuming that at this time
Brutus
02-18-2011, 09:50 PM
Dow basically recommends application with your eyes protected, mouth ventilated and body covered. They also caution to avoid contact with eyes and skin.
You know what also happened a couple of weeks after the Iron bowl when "Al" was dumping several gallons of concentrated herbicide on Toomer's corner? Something called graduation. Do you know what that means? People were lined up in the Samford courtyard getting their pictures taken. Children were hugging the oaks. You know what they weren't wearing? The type of protective clothing Dow recommends someone should wear when applying the diluted herbicide. How is someone supposed to avoid contact with their eyes and skin if they don't know they're standing in an area dowsed with the concentrated stuff?
"Al" poisoned a city block and intentionally tried to incite the community by calling a radio station and making several calls to the university. Environmental terrorism is much more accurate than calling this a simple act of vandalism. Dismissing this as a simple act of vandalism is a gross understatement.
Is there anyone who would pour a gallon of that stuff in their backyard and then let their child play in the area? Heck who would even let their pet in the area? Clearly this rises above simple vandalism.
Perhaps it needs reiterated...
"There is no reason to suspect any human danger from the herbicide."
Vandalism.
Raise your hand if you want urine in your drinking water? How show it be treated if my dog took a leak at that tree? No one has said that this (I agree criminal) act will cause human health problems. You're jumping the gun by assuming that at this time
Tebuthiuron is toxic to humans in concentrated levels. It's reasonable to assume individuals who gathered around the spot of application shortly after "Al" committed his criminal act were exposed to levels that Dow would consider unsafe.
Perhaps it needs reiterated...
"There is no reason to suspect any human danger from the herbicide."
Vandalism.
Perhaps it needs reiterated that the quoted statement refers to the present.
Are you willing to stand in the saturated spot shortly after application of the levels "Al" criminally dumped?
Brutus
02-18-2011, 09:58 PM
Perhaps it needs reiterated that the quoted statement refers to the present.
Are you willing to stand in the saturated spot shortly after application of the levels "Al" criminally dumped?
The comment refers to the herbicide in general. There was no reason to believe it was a threat to humans.
The comment refers to the herbicide in general. There was no reason to believe it was a threat to humans.
So you're answering yes, you're willing?
Brutus
02-18-2011, 10:06 PM
So you're answering yes, you're willing?
The experts seem to think there's not any harm in it, so yes absolutely.
No one of any credentials has said there's really much to be concerned about by this. So anyone suggesting otherwise seems to be spinning the circumstances of the incident into something it's really not: i.e. a danger.
A chemical was applied to a plant... a chemical that is legal where it was purchased and applied in such a way that experts have said is not a threat to humans. That includes the individuals that were around that area after the fact.
Really nothing to see here. An idiot vandalized a well known placemark on the Auburn campus and will assuredly be punished for doing so. That's really where the crime begins and ends. No one was hurt and the odds are that they wouldn't have been.
The experts seem to think there's not any harm in it, so yes absolutely.
Knock yourself out.....
Brutus
02-18-2011, 10:42 PM
Knock yourself out.....
As much as I appreciate the gracious invitation, I'll have to wait until the next time an Alabama loony pulls a harmless prank.
As much as I appreciate the gracious invitation, I'll have to wait until the next time an Alabama loony pulls a harmless prank.
You really want others to think you truly believe an action that will likely result in significant jail time and civil and federal penalties of a magnitude that would bankrupt the vast majority of Americans is nothing more than just a harmless prank?
Brutus
02-18-2011, 11:39 PM
You really want others to think you truly believe an action that will likely result in significant jail time and civil and federal penalties of a magnitude that would bankrupt the vast majority of Americans is nothing more than just a harmless prank?
No one got hurt and the experts say it was likely no one would be hurt. It was idiotic, but yes, it was harmless.
texasdave
02-19-2011, 02:00 PM
Police charged Updyke with first-degree criminal mischief on Thursday for allegedly using a tree-killing herbicide to poison the oaks. His release came on the eve of a scheduled rally at Toomer's Corner, where fans traditionally celebrate big wins.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/football/ncaa/02/18/tree.suspect.ap/index.html#ixzz1EQtW0Bt1
In Alabama Criminal Mischief and Criminal Tampering are the most common property crimes. This serious property offense is a Class C felony punishable by 1 to 10 years in prison and up to $15,000 in fines.
http://www.criminalpropertydamage.com/alabama/
HokieRed
02-19-2011, 05:05 PM
This guy is 62 years old, he uses a significant amount of herbicide in a destructive act without apparently any consideration whatever of the larger dangers to the environment or to human beings, and then he brags about it as a matter of football loyalty. Am I getting this right? Why shouldn't he have to show cause that he ought not to spend the next ten years in jail? How would you go about educating such a person to taking a more responsible stance toward those with whom he lives? He's not 26 years old; he's 62. That, to me, is extraordinarily relevant here.
Sea Ray
02-19-2011, 05:35 PM
...then he brags about it as a matter of football loyalty...
That was more boneheaded than the act itself. If he'd have kept his mouth shut he might not be facing jailtime
Chip R
02-20-2011, 10:44 AM
He better hope he gets a judge who is an Alabama alum.
traderumor
02-20-2011, 10:47 AM
From what I saw of the display around the tree, I could see it qualifying as a religious hate crime for defacing the temple of the tree.
Unassisted
02-20-2011, 07:57 PM
Agree wholeheartedly with you and Roy. These trees will have an assessed value, likely into the hundreds of thousands of dollars, but their actual value is much higher than that because they CANNOT be replaced.
That appraised value will probably make the vandalism a felony. I'll bet the guy does some time for the crime.
Joseph
02-20-2011, 10:29 PM
Regardless of what sort of penalty comes of this, its a terrible shame that a rivalry has caused such damage to a beloved icon.
Razor Shines
02-24-2011, 11:55 AM
Sklarbros tweeted that he should be tried for treeson.
reds44
02-24-2011, 01:20 PM
Sklarbros tweeted that he should be tried for treeson.
Oh dear God lol
texasdave
02-02-2013, 03:27 PM
Officials at Auburn University have announced the iconic oak trees at Toomer's Corner will be removed. University officials made the announcement Friday and said in a statement that the trees are unlikely to survive despite efforts to save them after they were poisoned with a powerful herbicide.
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130202/toomers-oaks-auburn-campus.ap/#ixzz2Jm8iOZNC
Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130202/toomers-oaks-auburn-campus.ap/#ixzz2Jm8iOZNC
The last roll will be in April. There was a public vote on one of four plans to recreate Toomer's corner late last year.
mdccclxix
02-04-2013, 12:49 PM
There is immense value in old and beautiful trees. I would think they could claim a significant amount of financial damage and by way of throwing the book at this jackwad ask for a huge fine in return. It's not about the value of a trees life in comparison with an animal at all. Of the things you could see to damage property wise, this would be up the list a ways.
Chip R
02-04-2013, 10:32 PM
I wonder if after they remove the trees, they cut them up and sell them in pieces to Auburn fans? They could own a piece of the Toomer's Corner's trees.
RedFanAlways1966
02-05-2013, 07:34 AM
I wonder if after they remove the trees, they cut them up and sell them in pieces to Auburn fans? They could own a piece of the Toomer's Corner's trees.
I think they should donate the wood to CAM NEWTON'S church. Probably not the biggest "donation" the church has received, but it might replace a few of the older pews.
I wonder if after they remove the trees, they cut them up and sell them in pieces to Auburn fans? They could own a piece of the Toomer's Corner's trees.
I'm not really sure they can given the potential for residues but it would be a popular item.
I think they should donate the wood to CAM NEWTON'S church. Probably not the biggest "donation" the church has received, but it might replace a few of the older pews.
Cam doesn't have a church but he soon will have a degree as he's back on campus and attending classes.
But really the NCAA pretty much dug deeper than the city of Auburn had to to remove the pesticide on Toomer's corner and the NCAA finally had to put an end to the inquiry because in their own words, they could no longer pursue a lack of evidence in good faith.
And as we all know, when the NCAA spends that much energy poking through emails and receipts, they find something it it's there. But again, this really isn't the thread for posts concerning the NCAA and Cam's recruitment.
RedFanAlways1966
02-05-2013, 09:17 AM
Cam doesn't have a church but he soon will have a degree as he's back on campus and attending classes.
I sometimes forget we cannot joke about certain things lol. Although I was in Cam's/Auburn's corner during the whole incident (no proof, no punishment). That is good to hear about getting the degree. It does make me wonder how many academic credits he EARNED while at Auburn. I kind of laugh b/c Cam was (Nick Fairly and Rudi Johnson too) "Auburn is just a stepping stone to the pros". They might have had a few more weeks at Auburn than Hillary Clinton resided in the state of NY before running for Senate, but their time was real short there.
Wait... this about trees. I am so bad about that. :lol:
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