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texasdave
03-19-2011, 05:54 PM
Johnny Cueto only goes one inning today before being relieved by Jordan Smith. I got here late so no idea if he experienced more tightness. His inning went like this. Hoping to hear some sort of update.

HBP, Single, Single, Single, K, Sac Fly, Ground Out.


Just saw on ORG that Cueto did indeed experience more forearm tightness. Mike Leake come on down.

UPRedsFan
03-19-2011, 06:27 PM
Really, really, really need Volquez and Homer to pitch well now. No room for them to be mediocre if they want to win the division.

This can still be a fantastic rotation even without Cueto. But Volquez and Homer need to settle in.

Reds
03-19-2011, 08:27 PM
J.Fay Twitter

Baker said it was cueto's biceps. "we shut him down before it got worse." not the elbow. #reds

Bryan Price on Cueto: "If this was the playoffs, he wouldn't have said anything. But this time of year, we're being ultra-cautious." #reds

Kingspoint
03-19-2011, 10:20 PM
Will probably be extra cautious with him now and he'll certainly start the season on the 15-day DL as he'll have to get healthy first and then work his way up to 5+ innings before they'll activate him.

1. Volquez
2. Aroyo
3. Wood
4. Bailey
5. Looks like it's Leake's by default, but a surprise could squeeze in there.

texasdave
03-19-2011, 10:39 PM
Will probably be extra cautious with him now and he'll certainly start the season on the 15-day DL as he'll have to get healthy first and then work his way up to 5+ innings before they'll activate him.

1. Volquez
2. Aroyo
3. Wood
4. Bailey
5. Looks like it's Leake's by default, but a surprise could squeeze in there.

Once again Leake may escape going to the minors.

RedRedhawk
03-20-2011, 02:05 AM
I was at the game today. I am not a doctor or a pitching coach but Cueto didn't look right. I could tell as he faced his first couple of batters. With him not pitching in 8 days I was expecting him to be pulled before the end of the first. I know it is a spring game so who cares, but i'm worried. I hope it isn't anything serious.

VottoFan54
03-20-2011, 06:50 PM
From Fay:

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/03/20/cueto-returns-to-cincinnati/

Cueto says his elbow and shoulder both feel fine.

Old NDN
03-20-2011, 07:06 PM
Cueto? Better add Volquez to the worry list. He hasn't done anything positive yet, other than finally getting his visa. IMO, he hasn't shown enough to be considered in the top five pitchers for this rotation. I guess we'll find out just how deep our pitching really is.

texasdave
03-20-2011, 07:18 PM
Cueto? Better add Volquez to the worry list. He hasn't done anything positive yet, other than finally getting his visa. IMO, he hasn't shown enough to be considered in the top five pitchers for this rotation. I guess we'll find out just how deep our pitching really is.

2 1/3 innings today. Only one hit given up but five walks lead to five runs. I think that is going to be his major league modus operandi. Some great games and then some games where you get 2 1/3 innings. Hopefully, it is just because of his relative lack of work this spring. And hopefully you get a lot more of the former than the latter. Keep your fingers crossed.

mattwellsey
03-20-2011, 07:30 PM
No worries yet, but they could be on the horizon.

Read more here:
http://tapthoseshinguards.blogspot.com/

gedred69
03-20-2011, 09:41 PM
2 1/3 innings today. Only one hit given up but five walks lead to five runs. I think that is going to be his major league modus operandi. Some great games and then some games where you get 2 1/3 innings. Hopefully, it is just because of his relative lack of work this spring. And hopefully you get a lot more of the former than the latter. Keep your fingers crossed.

Agreed. Hopefully his inability to throw strikes is due to him being 10 days behind with all the Visa b.s.

VottoFan54
03-21-2011, 06:50 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/03/21/cueto-has-shoulder-inflammation/

From Fay:

“Everything is structurally fine,” Reds general manager Walt Jocketty said. “The only thing they found is mild inflammation in his shoulder. The recommendation of Dr. Kremchek is to shut him down until it subsides, then get him back on a throwing program.”

It's a good thing we have pitching depth.

Oxblood
03-21-2011, 07:32 PM
Nothing hurt, our starting rotation is still stellar. I look for Wood & Bailey to have monster seasons.

Jefferson24
03-22-2011, 06:38 PM
I am concerned for the starting staff as a whole. Spring games or not, none of them look that good. Hope they do a great deal better in the regular season, otherwise this team will struggle to be .500.

Vottomatic
03-22-2011, 07:47 PM
I am concerned for the starting staff as a whole. Spring games or not, none of them look that good. Hope they do a great deal better in the regular season, otherwise this team will struggle to be .500.

I'm concerned too. I know it's only Spring Training, but we're close to the regular season and these guys should be moving into form.

Volquez is a huge question mark at this point. Arroyo isn't healthy and hasn't been pitching. Cueto is mildly injured but not getting any work in. Leake got blown up today. That leaves Bailey and Wood.

I'm concerned.

mattwellsey
03-22-2011, 08:33 PM
After Leake's performance today, we might want to get worried about the pitching staff.

In depth pitching staff look:
http://tapthoseshinguards.blogspot.com/

Kingspoint
03-23-2011, 01:30 PM
After Leake's performance today, we might want to get worried about the pitching staff.

In depth pitching staff look:
http://tapthoseshinguards.blogspot.com/

It's no longer a strength.

Volquez has been ineffective since his return from injury last year.

Cueto's not healthy.

Leake has been ineffective since June of last year and never should have been considered for the Major League club.

Maloney and Willis look more like our #5 starters than Leake ever will this season.

Arroyo is our #1, though his health is questionable at the moment, but he should be ready, as he always is ready.

Wood is our #2.

Bailey is our #3.

Then it's a toss-up between Cueto and Volquez for our #4...one needs to prove he's healthy and the other needs to prove he can pitch again.

Maloney or Willis should be our #5, possibly #4 right now.

I really can't believe that Volquez is being given the ball for Opening Day. That's just stupid.

DirtyBaker
03-23-2011, 02:12 PM
-I'm not worried at all. Cueto's coming off his best year and this injury doesn't look serious.
-As for Volquez being the opening day starter, it doesn't mean a hill of beans over 162 games. That rotation is going to turn over 30+ times it doesn't matter what order it's in.

-Leake's still young and was effective through July (not June), and his only bad month was August where his ERA was 8.83 for the month. Even then, I believe he was playing on borrowed time, being a true rookie and not used to the length of a 162 game season.

That isn't an argument for Leake being the 5th starter to open the year. It's an argument that one bad month in the bigs and one bad spring isn't going to keep me up at night.

-Ideally, Leake opens the year in AAA and gets confidence and instruction and takes the reigns of the 5th spot whenever the need arises. In the meantime, Willis and Maloney would make serviceable 5th starters.

Kingspoint
03-23-2011, 02:30 PM
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-As for Volquez being the opening day starter, it doesn't mean a hill of beans over 162 games.

Every game matters.

Your best pitchers should get the most starts.

Kingspoint
03-23-2011, 02:35 PM
--Leake's still young and was effective through July (not June), and his only bad month was August where his ERA was 8.83 for the month.

Mike Leake NEVER pitched more than 5 innings AND gave up less than 3 runs in any game after June 5th of last year. I'd say that's pretty ineffective since June.

DirtyBaker
03-23-2011, 03:27 PM
Mike Leake NEVER pitched more than 5 innings AND gave up less than 3 runs in any game after June 5th of last year. I'd say that's pretty ineffective since June.

Not true. June 21st: 6 IP and 1 ER, but that's the only exception.

But there are plenty of okay starts too.
July 4th: 6 IP and 3ER,
July 20: 5 IP and 1ER
Aug 3: 5 IP and 0 ER
Aug 14: 6 IP and 3 ER.

And he went 6+ IP every start until July 20th with 1 exception.

And as for July as a whole, Leake goes 2-1, 4.56 ERA, posts his second lowest monthly WHIP, and his best K/BB ratio.

Seems to me from looking at his game log that he changed his approach around the all-star break. He tried to turn into a strikeout pitcher later in the year instead of pitching to contact and keeping his pitch count low enough to go 6-8 innings.

I don't think that's enough to cause alarm or force him to stay in AAA for a full year, but I do think he needs at least a month at that level to work on pitching to contact, throwing strikes, and regaining confidence.

brm7675
03-23-2011, 04:59 PM
I would be interested to know why people trust the Reds medical staff? I am willing to bet we don't see a healthy Cueto at all this season and by mid june he is shut down and having surgery...

Vottomatic
03-23-2011, 06:01 PM
I'm concerned. And every game does count to me. Opening Day can end up meaning nothing in the long run, but why just throw it away? Volquez clearly is not ready. Why not run someone out there that is ready? I disagree with starting Volquez opening day, also.

I'm concerned about Cueto, mainly because he hasn't gotten much work. Same with Arroyo, but he's a veteran with a rubber arm.......and probably doesn't need as much work.

I'd put Maloney in the 5-spot also, for now.

Send Leake and Volquez down to work things out.

Arroyo
Bailey
Wood
Maloney or Cueto
We won't need a 5th starter for many weeks.

brm7675
03-23-2011, 06:57 PM
Go with;

Wood
Bailey
Bronson
Volquez
Leake

lonewolf371
03-23-2011, 10:21 PM
It's no longer a strength.

Volquez has been ineffective since his return from injury last year.

Cueto's not healthy.

Leake has been ineffective since June of last year and never should have been considered for the Major League club.

Maloney and Willis look more like our #5 starters than Leake ever will this season.

Arroyo is our #1, though his health is questionable at the moment, but he should be ready, as he always is ready.

Wood is our #2.

Bailey is our #3.

Then it's a toss-up between Cueto and Volquez for our #4...one needs to prove he's healthy and the other needs to prove he can pitch again.

Maloney or Willis should be our #5, possibly #4 right now.

I really can't believe that Volquez is being given the ball for Opening Day. That's just stupid.
So meaningless to list them 1-5. I can't imagine a scenario where Arroyo doesn't get the most starts. He eats innings. In reality, they're all #3 starters with Volquez being the only one that has a chance of being a #1.

I'm not going to put much stock in a few meaningless spring training games, especially when these guys have years of minor and major league stats and scouting reports that tell you so much more about how good they are and what they're capable of.

If I were the projecting type, I'd still expect:

Arroyo - 200 IP, 4.0 ERA
Volquez - 180 IP, 3.5 ERA
Cueto - 160 IP, 3.8 ERA
Bailey - 160 IP, 3.9 ERA
Wood - 170 IP, 3.6 ERA
Leake - 60 IP, 4.4 ERA

That would be an awesome regular season rotation. And I'm actually being a little conservative here. I think Bailey and Volquez each may be much better.

Kingspoint
03-24-2011, 01:02 AM
If I were the projecting type, I'd still expect:

Arroyo - 200 IP, 4.0 ERA
Volquez - 180 IP, 3.5 ERA
Cueto - 160 IP, 3.8 ERA
Bailey - 160 IP, 3.9 ERA
Wood - 170 IP, 3.6 ERA
Leake - 60 IP, 4.4 ERA



I think that's a very, very good projection to what will happen.

Mine would be slightly different. I'd go with 150 innings for Volquez and 140 innings for Cueto, along with 200 innings for Wood and a 5.4 ERA for Leake and a 3.6 ERA for Arroyo.

Mr Larkin
03-24-2011, 01:31 AM
Not worried. Let's see what happens when the games count before we worry.

lonewolf371
03-24-2011, 12:03 PM
I think that's a very, very good projection to what will happen.

Mine would be slightly different. I'd go with 150 innings for Volquez and 140 innings for Cueto, along with 200 innings for Wood and a 5.4 ERA for Leake and a 3.6 ERA for Arroyo.
Possible. Read on ESPN recently that they could see Cueto missing April. In that case I could see him dropping a few more innings depending on how bad this thing is. If it's bad enough, he might be in the 100-120 range. Leake would obviously bump up to around 100.

I think you're a little bearish on Leake, if he keeps up this 50% GB then I feel it would be a little hard for his ERA to balloon that high. But I won't say it's impossible.

brm7675
03-24-2011, 05:48 PM
Possible. Read on ESPN recently that they could see Cueto missing April. In that case I could see him dropping a few more innings depending on how bad this thing is. If it's bad enough, he might be in the 100-120 range. Leake would obviously bump up to around 100.

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I think the Reds will be lucky if it is just April, I think we are looking at a Homer type of injury with him seeing more DL time then playing time this season.:(