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clayboyle
04-24-2011, 07:53 PM
It's still very early but it's always good to see your young guys get off to a good start. In 48 AB's Grandal is .333 with 5 doubles, 5 HR's and 11 RBI's. Doesn't seem like he's having any trouble generating power switching to wood. Was a little worried after Grandal only had 1 extra base hit in rookie ball last year, even though it was an extremely small sample size(28 AB's). Any word on how he is behind the plate?

GOYA
04-24-2011, 10:37 PM
Grandal or Mes what? The catcher of the future or something else?

clayboyle
04-24-2011, 10:41 PM
Grandal or Mes what? The catcher of the future or something else?

Catcher of the future. I should have made that a little clearer.

dougdirt
04-24-2011, 10:52 PM
Mesoraco, for two reasons. First, I think he is just better. Better overall bat, better arm behind the plate, better athleticism. Secondly, he is going to get a shot in the Majors first and if he performs, which I think most expect him to do, there isn't like going to be a spot open for someone else anytime soon.

Orenda
04-24-2011, 11:06 PM
Mesoraco, for two reasons. First, I think he is just better. Better overall bat, better arm behind the plate, better athleticism. Secondly, he is going to get a shot in the Majors first and if he performs, which I think most expect him to do, there isn't like going to be a spot open for someone else anytime soon.

what about at 1b?

bellhead
04-24-2011, 11:20 PM
what about at 1b?

There's that Joey Votto guy there correct?

clayboyle
04-24-2011, 11:43 PM
Not sure what the Reds are planning to do with Votto when his contract is up, but it may not be financially practical to resign him. If this happens to be the case, I wouldn't mind seeing Grandal/Mes alternate between 1st and Catcher, with Mes getting the majority of time behind the plate.

Degenerate39
04-25-2011, 09:20 AM
Keep them both you can never have too many catchers

cumberlandreds
04-25-2011, 09:29 AM
Why not both? Keep the one that catches the best (Mez?) at catcher and move the other one to 1B or OF. If Grandal is as good a hitter as he has shown to be early in his MI career then you may want to move him to a less taxing position anyway.

Scrap Irony
04-25-2011, 12:15 PM
Keep them both and play them at catcher. Pinch hit with the other one when needed. You'll have the most production in the league (by far), be able to spot-start for great numbers, and rest both catchers, meaning both are good to go the entire year.

If someone bowls you over with a package of good, young prospects, you consider it. If not, enjoy production no one else is likely to have.

Caveat Emperor
04-25-2011, 05:14 PM
Why not both? Keep the one that catches the best (Mez?) at catcher and move the other one to 1B or OF. If Grandal is as good a hitter as he has shown to be early in his MI career then you may want to move him to a less taxing position anyway.

If the Reds have two catchers that can hit well enough to slot #4 / #5 in a lineup and can both field the position, they should deal one of the two fill a team need elsewhere. Catching is too valuable to hoard.

nmculbreth
04-25-2011, 06:15 PM
Why not both? Keep the one that catches the best (Mez?) at catcher and move the other one to 1B or OF. If Grandal is as good a hitter as he has shown to be early in his MI career then you may want to move him to a less taxing position anyway.

IMHO keeping both is a bad idea because it isn't the most efficient way for the club to maximize it's resources. While Mes or Grandal both have the potential to be solidly above average offensive catchers, I'm not sure either has the bat that profiles as an above average OF or 1B. Given the dearth of good catching options available, Mes or Grandal should be able to fetch a prospect who profiles better at the position that the club is looking to fill.

mth123
04-25-2011, 07:18 PM
IMHO keeping both is a bad idea because it isn't the most efficient way for the club to maximize it's resources. While Mes or Grandal both have the potential to be solidly above average offensive catchers, I'm not sure either has the bat that profiles as an above average OF or 1B. Given the dearth of good catching options available, Mes or Grandal should be able to fetch a prospect who profiles better at the position that the club is looking to fill.

Amen. If they both turn out to be plus players at catcher, trade one for a plus player at another spot instead of wasting him in a part time role or moving him to 1B where he'll struggle to be league average.

Hanigan is the tandem guy for three years and Mark Fleury after that.

Benihana
04-25-2011, 07:26 PM
Amen. If they both turn out to be plus players at catcher, trade one for a plus player at another spot instead of wasting him in a part time role or moving him to 1B where he'll struggle to be league average.

Hanigan is the tandem guy for three years and Mark Fleury after that.

Yes. All of it (except the jury is still out on Fleury, but I'm not worrying about who the backup catcher is 4 years from now).

corkedbat
04-25-2011, 09:50 PM
I very slightly lean toward Mes, but Iwant to hold on to both - at least until we get a can't-refuse offer for one.

I'd have both work on a second position also. I know three catchers is almost an inside joke, but if I'd do it for three reasons if I'm going to keep both Mes and Yas.

1. Whichever of the two is not Catching that day is probablygoing to be one of, if not the best bench bats on the bench, but you normally only use your backup catcher as a last resort unless you have a third.

2. If both can play another position you can keep their bats (and legs) fresh on days they aren't catching. Also, since they can both play another position, it would not be like you're losing a position reserve.

3. With guys like Hanigan, Fleury, Barnhart, etc. also in the system, chances are we will have the talent to carry three catchers.

I'm willing to deal one or the other, but I want to hear the other GM squealing i pain when the deal is finalized.

Blitz Dorsey
04-26-2011, 11:48 PM
I'm going "tandem" for now.

fearofpopvol1
04-27-2011, 03:06 AM
It's Mes right now, but I think Grandal is underrated on RZ.

Drugs Delaney
04-27-2011, 06:50 PM
I'm going "tandem" for now.

Same. Unless its for a really big time guy in trade, we can hold on to both for a while and won't have to choose one or the other for at least 2 or 3 years.

Best case scenario is that both guys end up being solid defensively and show they can OPS at .800+ in the majors in a platoon (likely with Mes as the starter since he'll get there first). At that point you deal one for a king's ransom.

LoganBuck
04-27-2011, 09:47 PM
Can Grandal play third base? Is that even an option?

nemesis
04-27-2011, 11:05 PM
Can Grandal play third base? Is that even an option?

Supposedly. I have seen conflicting reports though. Mostly revolving around arm strength. If he could, his value would sky rocket to the Reds.

I believe Soto will be at 1B in Cincy if Votto leaves in a few years. I like Mesoraco's overall package better than Grandal's but I believe Grandal may end up with a better bat (BA and OPS) than Mesoraco. Being a switch hitter is a big plus at the position too.

Blitz Dorsey
04-28-2011, 07:17 PM
Supposedly. I have seen conflicting reports though. Mostly revolving around arm strength. If he could, his value would sky rocket to the Reds.

I believe Soto will be at 1B in Cincy if Votto leaves in a few years. I like Mesoraco's overall package better than Grandal's but I believe Grandal may end up with a better bat (BA and OPS) than Mesoraco. Being a switch hitter is a big plus at the position too.

That is some solid intel right there. Well done.