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Grouse
05-11-2011, 11:20 AM
Houston , we have a problem.


AAA?:confused:

jrandal9
05-11-2011, 12:10 PM
If his command isn't a problem I don't know what is, that was just ridiculous last night. I feel bad because as the Welsh was saying he wants to throw strikes but he just hasn't had it the last couple days. Velocity seemed a little down as well, only hit 100 once I think. We need a pitch doctor!

markymark69
05-11-2011, 12:33 PM
Dusty said he wasn't going down. There going to have to figure it out up here.

RiverRat13
05-11-2011, 12:41 PM
Dusty said he wasn't going down. There going to have to figure it out up here.

Which I don't understand. You can't use him now unless it is a clean inning in a 6+ run lead or deficit. Who knows when that will happen again. Bray is pitching well. Send Chapman down to AAA and let him start. Getting him on a fixed schedule has to be more beneficial to regaining his command than pitching an inning every six or seven days.

RiverRat13
05-11-2011, 01:06 PM
And not to go all "Dusty feeds on young pitcher's tendons", but it is interesting to note that Chapman's three bad outings came after his pitching four times in five days.

davrix
05-11-2011, 01:10 PM
I think it is time for him to go down and get to work on becoming a starter.

Jefferson24
05-11-2011, 01:18 PM
I started a thread suggesting we send Chapman down on 4/30, I stand by that position. Nothing I have seen recently suggest to me he is able to offer anything to the Reds at this point. Let him work things out in at AAA, maybe transition him to develop as a starter.

RedsFanInBama
05-11-2011, 01:52 PM
The guy has been completely mishandled by this organization.

tkemmerer14
05-11-2011, 02:50 PM
And not to go all "Dusty feeds on young pitcher's tendons", but it is interesting to note that Chapman's three bad outings came after his pitching four times in five days.

How about last night?

Natty Redlocks
05-11-2011, 03:16 PM
my highly developed scouting instincts tell me he should be the left fielder

Grouse
05-11-2011, 04:03 PM
I think it is time for him to go down and get to work on becoming a starter.

+1

Red in Atl
05-11-2011, 04:14 PM
I think it is time for him to go down and get to work on becoming a starter.

I agree completely. I admit wanting him in our bullpen and also thinking he could be the next coming of Mariano. But I think the reality is that he's a young kid, who needs more seasoning.

With the investment that we made, he needs to be a starter. So send him to AAA and let him take the time he needs to do it right. We have a good bullpen and plenty of lefties. Plus they need to decide on Arrendo (sp?) anyway. Swap them.

On another note, I think it's time we start shopping Volquez. I think he is the piece that doesn't fit. I'm not saying he's awful, but we have too many starters. He could be a big chip for a trade that could solidify this lineup. And I don't think we'd miss him. He is going to wish like heck he signed a LTC last year.

brm7675
05-11-2011, 04:20 PM
I agree completely. I admit wanting him in our bullpen and also thinking he could be the next coming of Mariano. But I think the reality is that he's a young kid, who needs more seasoning.

With the investment that we made, he needs to be a starter. So send him to AAA and let him take the time he needs to do it right. We have a good bullpen and plenty of lefties. Plus they need to decide on Arrendo (sp?) anyway. Swap them.

On another note, I think it's time we start shopping Volquez. I think he is the piece that doesn't fit. I'm not saying he's awful, but we have too many starters. He could be a big chip for a trade that could solidify this lineup. And I don't think we'd miss him. He is going to wish like heck he signed a LTC last year.

right now EV value is very low, you wouldn't get much for him...

Red in Atl
05-11-2011, 05:26 PM
my highly developed scouting instincts tell me he should be the left fielder

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

signalhome
05-11-2011, 05:42 PM
Maybe it is a good idea to let him work through everything in Louisville. I'm not sure who would be the other lefty in the bullpen, though, were he to be sent down. His BB/9 has really gotten out of hand -- it has risen to 11.37, which is even higher than his 10.66 K/9. Nobody can be successful walking that many batters, and the Reds can't really afford to give up games. Last year his BB/9 was only 3.38, which was phenomenal given his 12.83 K/9. I don't expect him to put up a split that wide for his career, but something needs to be done to curtail the walks. Hopefully it's something Price can work out up at the big league level, but if not, send him down, and let him work through it down in AAA.

Vottomatic
05-11-2011, 06:03 PM
Dusty Baker is clueless.

Wish management would leave him out of personnel decisions.

Chapman should be sent down, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

brm7675
05-11-2011, 06:04 PM
Dusty Baker is clueless.

Wish management would leave him out of personnel decisions.

Chapman should be sent down, no if's, and's, or but's about it.

A) If mag't had 'balls" they make the move
B) I really don't think Walt wants him in AAA

Vottomatic
05-11-2011, 06:09 PM
A) If mag't had 'balls" they make the move
B) I really don't think Walt wants him in AAA

Well, I'm not taking my butt down to see a guy who throws the ball 105 mph anywhere but for a strike.

They need to get him right. But not at the expense of losing games on the major league level.

markymark69
05-12-2011, 11:17 AM
Well, I'm not taking my butt down to see a guy who throws the ball 105 mph anywhere but for a strike.

They need to get him right. But not at the expense of losing games on the major league level.

To my recollection Chapman has not cost them any games yet. He is struggling no question - but costing them games is not accurate.

Also, it could be that Dusty is being overridden on this decision and just saying what management is telling him to say. Happens to me all the time in my job - I don't agree with something - but have to go along because my boss says so.