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WVRed
05-17-2011, 09:13 PM
Looks like the Cavs benefited from the Baron Davis trade.

Lottery:

1. Cleveland

2. Minnesota.

3. Utah.

4. Cleveland.

5. Toronto.

6. Washington.

7. Sacramento.

8. Detroit.

9. Charlotte.

10. Milwaukee.

11. Golden State.

12. Utah.

13. Phoenix.

14. Houston.

If I were the Cavs, given two first round picks, I would take Derrick Williams or even Enes Kanter over Kyrie Irving with possible consideration for Brandon Knight at no 4.

Slyder
05-17-2011, 09:23 PM
Looks like the Cavs benefited from the Baron Davis trade.

Lottery:

1. Cleveland

2. Minnesota.

3. Utah.

4. Cleveland.

5. Toronto.

6. Washington.

7. Sacramento.

8. Detroit.

9. Charlotte.

10. Milwaukee.

11. Golden State.

12. Utah.

13. Phoenix.

14. Houston.

If I were the Cavs, given two first round picks, I would take Derrick Williams or even Enes Kanter over Kyrie Irving with possible consideration for Brandon Knight at no 4.

Short of Utah falling in love with one of the international forwards or Walker there is no chance of Knight falling past 3. I believe Kanter has a better chance at being there at 4 than Knight.

WVRed
05-17-2011, 09:30 PM
Short of Utah falling in love with one of the international forwards or Walker there is no chance of Knight falling past 3. I believe Kanter has a better chance at being there at 4 than Knight.

Never really thought about Knight going 3rd to Utah, but a lot of ESPN talking heads are saying it now. Knight over Enes is interesting for the Jazz, but given the Deron Williams saga its easy to see why.

Scrap Irony
05-17-2011, 09:48 PM
1. Cleveland Kyrie Irving
Solves the PG and scoring problems for a team that needs both.

2. Minnesota Derrick Williams
Probably the best scorer in the draft and ready physically for the NBA right now.

3. Utah Jonas Valanciunas
Foreign centers are a crapshoot, but he's apparently got the goods. Makes Utah really interesting everywhere but PG.

4. Cleveland Enes Kanter
Whichever center is available between the big Serb and Kanter is the Cavs' choice, IMO. Expect 15/10 from him as a starter. Big upside, too.

5. Toronto Brandon Knight
A good shooter and decent ballhandler who won't be asked to do too much his first year. Might also go with Kemba Walker here.

6. Washington Bismack Biyombo
Athletic freak who scored a triple double at high school All Star game against the best competition of that level. Can play behind Blatche, Lewis, and McGee while learning the ropes.

7. Sacramento Marcus Morris
May look to deal Cousins to move up, as he's not exactly endeared himself to the team. Morris gives team another big body to not throw the ball to.

8. Detroit Kemba Walker
Too far for him to slip, but no one above is in need of a 6'0" combo guard. Can shoot, defend, and drive. Will put up good numbers. Stuckey can move to SG.

9. Charlotte Jan Vesely
He's tall and can shoot fairly well, but the intriguing thing about Vesely is his penchant for posterizing opponents.

10. Milwaukee Tobias Harris
Young but talented young Vol may be a steal or a bust. (Duh.) He's a nice piece as SF or SG behind Redd and Salmons.

WVRed
05-18-2011, 11:59 AM
1.Cleveland: Kyrie Irving

Nice building block for a team that needs it.

2.Minnesota: Derrick Williams

Williams gives them a top wing presence and combined with Kevin Love this will help the TWolves take it to the next level.

3.Washington (from Utah): Enes Kanter

The Wizards want Kanter and its pretty well documented. Utah is the one team that can afford to move around and I don't see them holding this pick.

4.Cleveland: Jonas Valenciunas

If the Cavs miss on Kanter, they will take the next best thing. Valenciunas and Irving will be a nice nucleus to build on.

5.Toronto: Jan Vesely

Toronto could opt for Knight here, but replacing Bosh on the inside is equally as pressing. Vesely and Bargnani on the inside could be a nice tandem.

6.Utah (from Washington): Brandon Knight

Utah takes a risk in moving back but they get a PG for the future. Knight will have some big shoes to fill in Deron Williams but will be a much better team player.

7.Sacramento: Kemba Walker

I think the Kings would rather have Knight, but Kemba teamed with Tyreke and Cousins would be a nice way to start in Sacramento or a City to Be Named Later.

8.Detroit: Kawhi Leonard

Thought about Alec Burks here, but Leonard makes sense with Tayshaun and McGrady on the way out.

9.Charlotte: Bismack Biyombo

Someone who I believe could be an impact player in a couple of seasons. This guy is raw but could have a significant impact somewhere down the road.

10.Milwaukee: Alec Burks

A nice combo guard to team up with Brandon Jennings.

11.Golden State: Marcus Morris
12.Utah: Jimmer Fredette
13.Phoenix: Donatas Motiejunas
14.Houston: Kenneth Faried

5TimeWSChamps
05-18-2011, 06:52 PM
As a Twolves fan, I just have to smirk at how rigged this system is.

That being said, I don't see us taking Derrick Williams as we already have Wes Johnson/Beasley/Anthony Randolph/Kevin love at the 3-4 positions.

My guess = Trade down or we will take Kanter

redsfanmia
05-18-2011, 07:35 PM
As a Twolves fan, I just have to smirk at how rigged this system is.


Less rigged now than it used to be, I remember the 84-85 lottery when the Knicks got the top pick and their envelope was dog earred.

Joseph
05-18-2011, 08:35 PM
Less rigged now than it used to be, I remember the 84-85 lottery when the Knicks got the top pick and their envelope was dog earred.

C'mon, we know it was frozen, not dog earred.

Sorry for you Cavs fans that you have these picks in such a down year for collegiate talent.

WVRed
05-18-2011, 10:04 PM
As a Twolves fan, I just have to smirk at how rigged this system is.

That being said, I don't see us taking Derrick Williams as we already have Wes Johnson/Beasley/Anthony Randolph/Kevin love at the 3-4 positions.

My guess = Trade down or we will take Kanter

Another possibility would be Knight, and I could see him being an off guard if Rubio decides to come to the States. Flynn hasn't lived up to expectations and a Rubio-Knight backcourt could be pretty exciting.

I think its ultimately Williams though. There are really only two top players in this draft, and if you have a chance to get one of those players, you make it work. Johnson can play SG and Beasley/Randolph are not long term solutions. A big three of Wesley Johnson, Derrick Williams, and Kevin Love would be nice.




C'mon, we know it was frozen, not dog earred.

Sorry for you Cavs fans that you have these picks in such a down year for collegiate talent.

I hate to say it, but the Cavs are losers by default.

This is such a weak draft that the LA Clippers punted the no 1 overall pick. The Cavs are likely getting two players who could be nice pieces, but nobody who is going to make them a playoff contender anytime soon. Not to mention the money you are sinking into these two players.

That being said, is there a more inept NBA owner than Dan Gilbert? I'd say Donald Sterling but Gilbert has that distinction right now.

RiverRat13
05-19-2011, 09:43 AM
6.Utah (from Washington): Brandon Knight

Utah takes a risk in moving back but they get a PG for the future. Knight will have some big shoes to fill in Deron Williams but will be a much better team player.



I'm kind of curious as to how Brandon Knight will be a much better team player than Deron Williams.

redsfanmia
05-19-2011, 07:02 PM
C'mon, we know it was frozen, not dog earred.



Correction, Frozen and Dog earred. They wanted to make it fool proof. I am not a conspiracy guy but I am an NBA conspiracy guy.

WVRed
05-19-2011, 08:03 PM
I'm kind of curious as to how Brandon Knight will be a much better team player than Deron Williams.

Knight is coachable. Deron Williams ran off a pretty popular HOF coach while in Utah who had been there since the late 1980s. If it comes to character, I'll take Knight every time.

chicoruiz
05-19-2011, 08:46 PM
The rumor I've heard is that Minnesota would like to trade the #2 pick for a veteran, with Indiana's Danny Granger among the names mentioned. The version making the rounds is the pick and Beasley for Granger; some even have Rubio involved.

TeamSelig
05-19-2011, 10:15 PM
If the Pacers get Rubio, #2nd pick, and Beasley for Granger, he is the greatest GM of all time.

5TimeWSChamps
05-20-2011, 12:34 PM
No chance that would happen.

I would like to see us try to swoop Paul George though from Indy + #15 + their first round pick next year for the #2 pick though

texasdave
05-20-2011, 05:23 PM
If the Pacers get Rubio, #2nd pick, and Beasley for Granger, he is the greatest GM of all time.

Amen.

In Houston there is a rumor that Luis Scola plus other assorted goodies may be heading up north for the number 2 pick.

Razor Shines
05-21-2011, 05:25 PM
No chance that would happen.

I would like to see us try to swoop Paul George though from Indy + #15 + their first round pick next year for the #2 pick though

There's as little chance of that as there is the pacers getting #2, beasley and rubio.

bshall2105
05-22-2011, 04:58 PM
No chance that would happen.

I would like to see us try to swoop Paul George though from Indy + #15 + their first round pick next year for the #2 pick though

The Pacers are in love with Paul George to the point that he is probably the hardest guy to pry away from them. They probably view him as more valuable than the #2 pick.

TeamSelig
05-23-2011, 11:25 AM
The Pacers are in love with Paul George to the point that he is probably the hardest guy to pry away from them. They probably view him as more valuable than the #2 pick.

+1

I'm not sure if they feel that George > Williams, but I bet it is close... definitely not 2 1st Rd picks difference.

5TimeWSChamps
05-23-2011, 01:39 PM
Probably right. Unfortunately

Looks like Cleveland offered Memphis #4 and part of their $14 mil trade exception for Rudy Gay and was turned down

Boston Red
06-23-2011, 09:33 PM
Not a Pacers fan, but I love the Kawhi Leonard pick. Him falling that far is a huge break form them IMO.

Revering4Blue
06-23-2011, 09:35 PM
Not a Pacers fan, but I love the Kawhi Leonard pick. Him falling that far is a huge break form them IMO.

Leonard is reportedly headed to the Spurs for George Hill.

TeamSelig
06-23-2011, 10:52 PM
Good trade IMO. George Hill will be a nice spark plug off the bench at the 1 and 2. I liked getting Leonard at 15 but hated that it was ANOTHER small forward.

Danny Serafini
06-23-2011, 11:32 PM
3bler to Portland. Didn't think he'd actually get picked, so that's nice to see.

Danny Serafini
06-23-2011, 11:49 PM
The analysis of the Lakers last pick has been entertaining. You don't see many guys who average 0.7 ppg in the D-League get drafted.

Danny Serafini
06-23-2011, 11:53 PM
And now "the best player ever to come out of the professional league in Qatar" comes off the board. I think the video of him came off a webcam. The end of the second round is so much fun!

Kingspoint
06-24-2011, 01:53 AM
3bler to Portland. Didn't think he'd actually get picked, so that's nice to see.

He actually has a legitimate chance to make the team because Portland lacks outside shooters which they badly need.

Unassisted
06-24-2011, 12:13 PM
Good trade IMO. George Hill will be a nice spark plug off the bench at the 1 and 2. I liked getting Leonard at 15 but hated that it was ANOTHER small forward.Pacers gave up a lot to get Hill. Spurs took home 5 players from this draft, which is very unlike them. GM RC Buford says they're not done making changes to the roster.

BTW, George Hill is NOT happy with this move. I believe the newspaper described him as "devastated" by it. His best Spurs' buddy DeJuan Blair posted some angry things on Twitter about it, too.

Hoosier Red
06-24-2011, 12:59 PM
Pacers gave up a lot to get Hill. Spurs took home 5 players from this draft, which is very unlike them. GM RC Buford says they're not done making changes to the roster.

BTW, George Hill is NOT happy with this move. I believe the newspaper described him as "devastated" by it. His best Spurs' buddy DeJuan Blair posted some angry things on Twitter about it, too.

Not happy about coming home? Hopefully he'll come around. THe Pacers have a lot of good young talent that forms the nucleus of a 1st or 2nd round playoff exit team. Hopefully they can strike it rich and get lucky with someone in free agency.

bshall2105
06-25-2011, 04:25 PM
Pacers gave up a lot to get Hill. Spurs took home 5 players from this draft, which is very unlike them. GM RC Buford says they're not done making changes to the roster.

BTW, George Hill is NOT happy with this move. I believe the newspaper described him as "devastated" by it. His best Spurs' buddy DeJuan Blair posted some angry things on Twitter about it, too.

That was one San Antonio article that took things way out of context. Everything else out there, including Hill's twitter does not mention him being devastated.

Danny Serafini
06-25-2011, 05:32 PM
It now appears that "the best player ever to come out of the professional league in Qatar" isn't quite who he said he was.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Wolves-second-round-pick-lied-about-age-should-?urn=nba-wp5562

Oops.

texasdave
06-25-2011, 06:29 PM
It now appears that "the best player ever to come out of the professional league in Qatar" isn't quite who he said he was.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/Wolves-second-round-pick-lied-about-age-should-?urn=nba-wp5562

Oops.

Actually, he is all he said he was and more. Like five years more. :laugh:

bshall2105
06-25-2011, 09:06 PM
David Kahn is a joke.