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cinreds21
05-21-2011, 05:02 PM
Dontrelle takes the mound in Norfolk. The D-Train returns after missing his last start due to a groin injury.

Thompson looks to get the Mudcats two wins in a row for the first time in a long time.

J.C. Sulbaran faces off against Modesto

and last but not least Josh Smith gets the nod tonight in Dayton.


In other news, Mudcats first baseman Naftali Soto was activated off the 7-day disabled list. Outfielder Kyle Day was released to make room.
Also, Blaze right-handed pitcher Ruben Medina was placed on the 7-day disabled list yesterday.

Play ball!

jnschel
05-21-2011, 05:05 PM
So campbell's day off yesterday was a rest day then, no promotion?

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 05:08 PM
Not that I've read. I haven't talked to anyone but I don't think anything's gong on.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 05:33 PM
Dontrelle faces off against Rick VandenHurk. Two former Marlin teammates. I wish I were there.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 05:41 PM
Also just read on Baseball America that catcher Chase Weems was released sometime this week. I don't believe I've seen it posted on here yet.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 07:18 PM
Rojas was just popped in the jaw trying to backhand a grounder. He stayed in the game though. 2-0 Lookouts top 5

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 07:19 PM
Wow. Then Jas-Man just made a diving stop up the middle and flipped it to Puckett to end the inning.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 07:20 PM
Eric Davis is making an apperance

GOYA
05-21-2011, 07:29 PM
Bats get 1 run in the 1st.

I'm not going to be able to cover the Bats game, if someone else would like to step in.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 07:32 PM
Bats get 1 run in the 1st.

I'm not going to be able to cover the Bats game, if someone else would like to step in.

Rule 76, no excuses, play like a champion.

mace
05-21-2011, 07:40 PM
Wow. Then Jas-Man just made a diving stop up the middle and flipped it to Puckett to end the inning.

Cinreds: Since Rojas started playing in the States, we've been hearing that his glove is big-league, arguably the best in the system. Have you seen enough to agree or disagree with that?

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 07:47 PM
Cinreds: Since Rojas started playing in the States, we've been hearing that his glove is big-league, arguably the best in the system. Have you seen enough to agree or disagree with that?

I like him. But a scout wasn't that big of a fan. I can't remember exactly what he said, but I believe it was his defensive approach. Maybe like how he charges a ball or sits back on it. I can't remember which one.

mace
05-21-2011, 07:51 PM
The VSL Reds won today 14-4. Seventeen-year-old SS Geraldo (not Humberto) Valor, who yesterday had three hits and some extra bases, today went 2 for 4 with a 2B.

In the FWIW category, a lefty reliever for the Reds named Joher Cardera, who pitched a perfect eighth inning, is 16.

mace
05-21-2011, 07:52 PM
I like him. But a scout wasn't that big of a fan. I can't remember exactly what he said, but I believe it was his defensive approach. Maybe like how he charges a ball or sits back on it. I can't remember which one.

Interesting. First caveat I've heard on Rojas--other than his hitting, of course. Thanks.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 07:53 PM
Interesting. First caveat I've heard on Rojas--other than his hitting, of course. Thanks.

Same here. No problem.

mace
05-21-2011, 07:56 PM
With Josh Smith pitching, Dayton is 0-0 in the fourth--hitless against Goodnight, who evidently follows Goodmorning and Goodafternoon in the Lake County rotation.

VottoFan54
05-21-2011, 07:59 PM
With Josh Smith pitching, Dayton is 0-0 in the fourth--hitless against Goodnight, who evidently follows Goodmorning and Goodafternoon in the Lake County rotation.

Being shutout by Goodnight, I can't imagine how they would look against Badnight.

CrackerJack
05-21-2011, 08:00 PM
I guess Willis gave up 3 runs on 2 hits in the 2nd, Norfolk still batting...

Edit: Looks like a wild pitch and a walk with one out led to the extra runs

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 08:00 PM
2-1 now. Runners on first and third, no outs. Perez up. Pitching change for the Lookouts.

CrackerJack
05-21-2011, 08:06 PM
Francisco singles in Negron after a Yonder walk. 3-2 top of 3rd

(not sure I'll be here all night, just sort of following along for a while, the Bats are more interesting than the big club at the moment I guess)

Francisco to 2nd on bad throw then a WP and Yonder wanders home from 3rd - 3-3 now.

Edit: Frazier homers 5-3 Bats. (Frazier is 2 for 2)

OnBaseMachine
05-21-2011, 08:07 PM
Todd Frazier just hit a 2-run HR, his 11th of the season. He's 2-for-2.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 08:07 PM
Bases loaded, one out. Castro is pinch hitting for DT. Still 2-1

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 08:08 PM
Castro pops out. Two away

CTA513
05-21-2011, 08:11 PM
Todd Frazier just hit a 2-run HR, his 11th of the season. He's 2-for-2.

33 RBIs this season including 19 this month

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 08:11 PM
Berry punches, inning over. Freeman in

Kc61
05-21-2011, 08:31 PM
Just look at the offensive numbers at AAA for Francisco, Alonso and Frazier. Everyone has his/her favorites. But all three deserve to be with the Reds and would add offensive spark.

Make Frazier a utility man who can even play some shortstop.

Let Francisco back up Rolen.

Let Alonso platoon in LF.

It would require dropping some of the current veterans. I think it's worth it to get some more spark into the major league ballclub.

Back to the scores and highlights. Sorry for the diversion.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 08:34 PM
3-1 lookouts. DJ in for the top of the 9th. Pitching out of the stretch again.

PuffyPig
05-21-2011, 08:44 PM
Just look at the offensive numbers at AAA for Francisco, Alonso and Frazier. Everyone has his/her favorites. But all three deserve to be with the Reds and would add offensive spark.

Make Frazier a utility man who can even play some shortstop.

Let Francisco back up Rolen.

Let Alonso platoon in LF.

It would require dropping some of the current veterans. I think it's worth it to get some more spark into the major league ballclub.



It would mean dropping Gomes and Cairo. Have to keep the SS and the back up catcher. So one of Heisey or Lewis would also have to go.

So, realistically, only two could come up.

mace
05-21-2011, 09:11 PM
Josh Smith kept his shutout for seven innings but gave up two runs in the eighth. He struck out 13 in 7.1 IP. Dayton trails 2-1 . . . Neither Hamilton nor Yorman is playing tonight.

Kc61
05-21-2011, 09:14 PM
It would mean dropping Gomes and Cairo. Have to keep the SS and the back up catcher. So one of Heisey or Lewis would also have to go.

So, realistically, only two could come up.

Theoretically, Renteria could go too. Frazier could back up at shortstop as part of his utility duties.

GOYA
05-21-2011, 09:17 PM
Bats down 8-6 in the top of the 7th

GOYA
05-21-2011, 09:27 PM
Chapman is scheduled to pitch for the Bats on Monday. His rehab assignment will continue into the Bats next homestand.

mace
05-21-2011, 09:29 PM
Hamilton pinch-ran for Berset in the eighth, stole third (34), and scored the tying run on a single by Lohman.

GOYA
05-21-2011, 09:59 PM
Bats lose 8-6


Player Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Negron SS 4 2 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .202
Alonso LF 4 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0 .331
Francisco, J 3B 5 1 2 0 0 0 1 0 2 .396
Frazier 1B 5 1 2 0 0 1 3 0 1 .294
Hermida RF 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 2 .322
Mesoraco DH 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 .291
Valaika 2B 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 .273
Miller, C C 4 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .204
Clevlen CF 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 .190

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Willis 2.0 2 3 1 2 1 0 2.72
Cochran (L, 5-1) 5.0 10 5 5 1 1 0 4.08
Krebs, J 1.0 0 0 0 0 2 0 6.06

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 10:01 PM
Any reason why Dontrelle was lifted after two?

GOYA
05-21-2011, 10:04 PM
He was hit by a batted ball. It appeared to hit him on the foot but not positive about that.

Cozart is nursing a sore foot as well.

GOYA
05-21-2011, 10:12 PM
Bakersfield will be hitting against a pitcher with a 9.22 ERA and 2.27 WHIP tonight. One would think they're going to score a ton of runs.

That pitcher is Tyler Matzek.

cinreds21
05-21-2011, 10:16 PM
Thanks, GOYA.


And ouch on Matzek. He was the Rockies top prospect.

mace
05-21-2011, 10:22 PM
Dominic D'Anna won the game for Dayton with a 2-run HR in the 11th.

GOYA
05-21-2011, 11:45 PM
One would think they're going to score a ton of runs.

And of course, through 4 innings, Bakersfield has been shut out on 1 hit. (and 5 walks)

mace
05-21-2011, 11:52 PM
And of course, through 4 innings, Bakersfield has been shut out on 1 hit. (and 5 walks)

Campbell is out of the lineup again, and since Matzek is a lefty, there's no Hunt.

GOYA
05-22-2011, 12:38 AM
Tim Crabbe moved up from Dayton to Bakersfield recently. I don't remember seeing it here before.

Bakersfield trails 4-3 in the 7th.

Does it make sense to anyone to keep Hunt from facing lefties in A+?

kbrake
05-22-2011, 11:23 AM
Any word on how Yonder Alonso has looked this weekend with Walt watching?

GOYA
05-22-2011, 11:54 AM
There haven't been any balls that he couldn't run down if that's what you mean.

kbrake
05-22-2011, 01:01 PM
There haven't been any balls that he couldn't run down if that's what you mean.

Yeah I was just hoping that he was having a good go of it out there with Walt watching this weekend. I know everyone who sees the Bats says Alonso has been much better this year but I'm really hoping he shows Walt enough to force his way to Cincinnati soon.

GOYA
05-22-2011, 01:10 PM
I know everyone who sees the Bats says Alonso has been much better this year...

Better how? He'd still a poor outfielder. His range is very limited. He allows balls to get past him that shouldn't get past an outfielder at this level. The Bats have 3 guys with hot bats that can play LF better than Alonso. Frazier, Dorn and Francisco.

dougdirt
05-22-2011, 01:31 PM
Better how? He'd still a poor outfielder. His range is very limited. He allows balls to get past him that shouldn't get past an outfielder at this level. The Bats have 3 guys with hot bats that can play LF better than Alonso. Frazier, Dorn and Francisco.

But do any of those three project to be better MLB hitters? Not in my opinion they don't and I don't think it is particularly close to be honest. Alonso is a poor fielder, but he isn't going to be any worse than Gomes is and of the left field options that are available (not Sappelt), he easily projects to be the best MLB hitter of the bunch.

GOYA
05-22-2011, 03:34 PM
Alonso is a poor fielder, but he isn't going to be any worse than Gomes

I disagree. Alonso is worse than Gomes and his lack of speed detracts from his whole game with the exception of HR hitting.

He may be the best overall hitter but I don't think he is the highest value player.

dougdirt
05-22-2011, 03:37 PM
I disagree. Alonso is worse than Gomes and his lack of speed detracts from his whole game with the exception of HR hitting.

He may be the best overall hitter but I don't think he is the highest value player.

I don't really think he is worse than Gomes, Gomes just looks like he is trying harder because he doesn't look like he runs as poorly as Alonso does. Alonso looks like he runs worse than he does. Yes, the guy is a slow runner, but he also looks to be slower than he is IMO.

GOYA
05-22-2011, 03:55 PM
The baseball cube has Yonder at a 35 speed tool. Gomes is at 58. Both seem about right to me.

Adam Dunn's speed is 38.

nemesis
05-22-2011, 04:39 PM
Alonso's poor foot speed will detract from his value. But, having Gomes hit .172 and in the #2 spot is drastically hurting the Reds offense. Look at the last 5 games. If Alonso can keep up a .280ish BA with a .340 OBP that itself will help the team. Right now, Renteria is providing no offense and no defense off the bench. Gomes isn't hitting or fielding, Rolen is displaying no power and Janish has yet to find any success at the plate.

There has to be moves made and soon. Frazier as a super sub in place of Renteria, Alonso in LF and demote Lewis (Gomes won't be released) and spell Rolen a bit more frequently should help the team tremendously.

After today I also thing it's time to give Horst a chance in the bullpen over Smith. Just been way to hittable this year.

dougdirt
05-22-2011, 08:37 PM
The baseball cube has Yonder at a 35 speed tool. Gomes is at 58. Both seem about right to me.

Adam Dunn's speed is 38.

The Baseball Cube uses numbers for a speed tool also and not in the "he runs a X.xx" from first to home. FTR, a 58 is an above average to plus speed rating. Gomes most certainly isn't that.

The DARK
05-23-2011, 02:42 AM
The Baseball Cube uses numbers for a speed tool also and not in the "he runs a X.xx" from first to home. FTR, a 58 is an above average to plus speed rating. Gomes most certainly isn't that.

He does have multiple steals on the year. I'd argue that he's probably far above Alonso in terms of speed. I'd love to see Alonso become more athletic, but to me, this whole LF experiment reeks of trying to make him something he's not. Maybe he can be our premier pinch hitter, and play LF on occasion and in emergencies, but he's not our answer as a regular starter. Why expand a hole in the league's best defense? There are plenty of AAA players like Francisco, Sappelt, and Frazier who can fill that role if one of them claims it, and plenty of proven upgrades are on the trading block as well.

Mario-Rijo
05-23-2011, 08:47 AM
Rule 76, no excuses, play like a champion.

That would be rule #71, just FYI. :D


Rule #29: Always be a team player. Everyone needs a little help now and again.

:thumbup:

camisadelgolf
05-23-2011, 11:02 AM
The VSL Reds won today 14-4. Seventeen-year-old SS Geraldo (not Humberto) Valor, who yesterday had three hits and some extra bases, today went 2 for 4 with a 2B.

In the FWIW category, a lefty reliever for the Reds named Joher Cardera, who pitched a perfect eighth inning, is 16.
He's the youngest player in the VSL. The Reds signed him just this month.

JaxRed
05-23-2011, 12:18 PM
The Reds asked him to keep it quiet, and he did. Discretion is one of the better parts of Valor.

mace
05-23-2011, 12:25 PM
The Reds asked him to keep it quiet, and he did. Discretion is one of the better parts of Valor.

Can't let that go unapplauded.

cinreds21
05-23-2011, 02:16 PM
That would be rule #71, just FYI. :D



:thumbup:



Rule #76: No excuses. Play like a champion.

It's 76, not 71 bruh.