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brm7675
05-24-2011, 01:30 PM
From our AAA team last night;

AAA: Norfolk 6, Louisville 3
–2B Chris Valaika was 2-4 with a two-run homer, his second of the year. CF Brent Clevlen had two hits. Devin Mesoraco doubled.

–Aroldis Chapman pitched a perfect inning, throwing eight pitches, of which six were strikes. Mike Leake followed up with 2 poor innings, giving up three runs on four hits, raising his ERA to 9.82.

Jeremy Horst took the loss with a rare less-than-stellar performance. He went 4.2 innings, giving up three runs (two earned) on two hits and two walks. He did strike out six. For what it’s worth, Horst has a future on the major league level.

So we are still using Chapman in a bullpen role? Really? We are going to continue to misuse this kid?

so you start chapman, have him pitch one inning then bring in your starter? Really how often does that occur in the major leagues/

So now we are throwing our bullpen lefties 4+ innings? Your lefty specialist is now your long guy? This organization just baffles me....:thumbdown:

ezluke
05-24-2011, 01:41 PM
From our AAA team last night;

AAA: Norfolk 6, Louisville 3
–2B Chris Valaika was 2-4 with a two-run homer, his second of the year. CF Brent Clevlen had two hits. Devin Mesoraco doubled.

–Aroldis Chapman pitched a perfect inning, throwing eight pitches, of which six were strikes. Mike Leake followed up with 2 poor innings, giving up three runs on four hits, raising his ERA to 9.82.

Jeremy Horst took the loss with a rare less-than-stellar performance. He went 4.2 innings, giving up three runs (two earned) on two hits and two walks. He did strike out six. For what it’s worth, Horst has a future on the major league level.

So we are still using Chapman in a bullpen role? Really? We are going to continue to misuse this kid?

so you start chapman, have him pitch one inning then bring in your starter? Really how often does that occur in the major leagues/

So now we are throwing our bullpen lefties 4+ innings? Your lefty specialist is now your long guy? This organization just baffles me....:thumbdown:

I agree that Chapman should be stretching out to be a starter, but what he did last night isn't uncommon. They started him, to gurantee he'd get his work. My guess is Leake blowing up after 2 innings kinda forced them to overuse Horst last night.

Kevin1476
05-24-2011, 01:45 PM
I thought it was strange in the box score that Chapman just pitched one inning( the first one) and he was done. Did he get tightness again? I am sure he was not on an eight pitch count.

brm7675
05-24-2011, 01:56 PM
I agree that Chapman should be stretching out to be a starter, but what he did last night isn't uncommon. They started him, to gurantee he'd get his work. My guess is Leake blowing up after 2 innings kinda forced them to overuse Horst last night.

But...if the Reds plan is to get chapman back to the show as a reliever this season, should they not be having in put into situations he would face up here? How often is he going to pitch inning 1 and that be it? I think part of his problem is pitching under presure and with men on base. NOW, I still think he should be a starter, but the Reds are bent on him being in the pen, then have him work in real pen condition in AAA.

SidneySlicker
05-24-2011, 02:49 PM
From our AAA team last night;

AAA: Norfolk 6, Louisville 3
–2B Chris Valaika was 2-4 with a two-run homer, his second of the year. CF Brent Clevlen had two hits. Devin Mesoraco doubled.

–Aroldis Chapman pitched a perfect inning, throwing eight pitches, of which six were strikes. Mike Leake followed up with 2 poor innings, giving up three runs on four hits, raising his ERA to 9.82.

Jeremy Horst took the loss with a rare less-than-stellar performance. He went 4.2 innings, giving up three runs (two earned) on two hits and two walks. He did strike out six. For what it’s worth, Horst has a future on the major league level.

So we are still using Chapman in a bullpen role? Really? We are going to continue to misuse this kid?

so you start chapman, have him pitch one inning then bring in your starter? Really how often does that occur in the major leagues/

So now we are throwing our bullpen lefties 4+ innings? Your lefty specialist is now your long guy? This organization just baffles me....:thumbdown:

I think the reasoning for pitching Chapman in the first is to ensure he gets to face the top of the order (ie the other teams best hitters) What is their exact reasoning? I don't know, but it's very much commonplace for a rehabing pitcher to throw the first inning. Not saying a teams moves cannot be questioned, but the Reds are not the only one's that do or have done this.

Hanover
05-24-2011, 02:53 PM
As stated, teams often pitch the first inning with a player on a rehab assignment. This allows the appearance to be controlled and the warmup period to be controlled.

Horst pitching 4 innings was because of the rain delay. It was an emergency type situation.

Girevik
05-24-2011, 02:56 PM
I don't look to see Chapman starting any time this year. That would require an extended stay in Louisville, and I think the Reds consider him to valuable to the big league roster

SidneySlicker
05-24-2011, 03:45 PM
I may be in the minority on this, but I just don't see Chapman as a starter. It's very rare for guys that throw on the verge of 100mph to ever have the pitch command or polish to be a starting pitcher. Aside from Chapman being stretched out he still needs a minimum of another pitch that he can throw for strikes. If you want him to start I think you are looking at a minimum of 1-2 years in the minors in my opinion before he's ever ready to become a major league starter and who's to say beyond that if that even works. Not saying it can't be done, but 1. be prepared to patient and 2.curb your expectations. Starting pitching is about pitching not throwing and right now Chapman is a thrower.

brm7675
05-24-2011, 04:06 PM
I may be in the minority on this, but I just don't see Chapman as a starter. It's very rare for guys that throw on the verge of 100mph to ever have the pitch command or polish to be a starting pitcher. Aside from Chapman being stretched out he still needs a minimum of another pitch that he can throw for strikes. If you want him to start I think you are looking at a minimum of 1-2 years in the minors in my opinion before he's ever ready to become a major league starter and who's to say beyond that if that even works. Not saying it can't be done, but 1. be prepared to patient and 2.curb your expectations. Starting pitching is about pitching not throwing and right now Chapman is a thrower.

I think you are right, which is why the Reds should have left Chapman down in AAA last year as a starter and why he should have been there this year. We are wasting his talent.

5TimeWSChamps
05-24-2011, 04:28 PM
As stated, teams often pitch the first inning with a player on a rehab assignment. This allows the appearance to be controlled and the warmup period to be controlled.

Horst pitching 4 innings was because of the rain delay. It was an emergency type situation.

Don't tell brm any logic, he's not happy unless he's *****ing. Just ignore him

brm7675
05-24-2011, 04:42 PM
As stated, teams often pitch the first inning with a player on a rehab assignment. This allows the appearance to be controlled and the warmup period to be controlled.

Horst pitching 4 innings was because of the rain delay. It was an emergency type situation.

so basically you are prepping him in a way that doesn't match up with what he will be expected to do when back in cincy...yep good idea there...:thumbdown:

5TimeWSChamps
05-24-2011, 04:43 PM
He needs to pitch in order to get his command straightened out and his mechanics back on line. Doesn't matter if he's pitching in the 1st or 8th inning, he's gonna be able to do that

stop arguing just to argue, you are embarrassing yourself

brm7675
05-24-2011, 04:55 PM
He needs to pitch in order to get his command straightened out and his mechanics back on line. Doesn't matter if he's pitching in the 1st or 8th inning, he's gonna be able to do that

stop arguing just to argue, you are embarrassing yourself

so you don't think the situation he is placed in matters at all? do you think it might be a bit easier to have a chance to pitch better when you have a chance to warm up, the game isn't on the line and there is no one on base? You make no sense, the problem with Chapman is in his head, not his body. If he is going to work out of the pen then he needs to learn "how" to warm up quickly and come into games fast and put out fires. I mean really...

Vottomatic
05-24-2011, 05:09 PM
Last year I was praising this organization.

This year I'm questioning alot.

5TimeWSChamps
05-24-2011, 05:43 PM
so you don't think the situation he is placed in matters at all? do you think it might be a bit easier to have a chance to pitch better when you have a chance to warm up, the game isn't on the line and there is no one on base? You make no sense, the problem with Chapman is in his head, not his body. If he is going to work out of the pen then he needs to learn "how" to warm up quickly and come into games fast and put out fires. I mean really...

I don't think he's gonna get fired up about facing AAA pitching in a bases loaded jam in a tie game in the 8th.

Sorry, but he will not care

webbbj
05-24-2011, 05:50 PM
I don't think he's gonna get fired up about facing AAA pitching in a bases loaded jam in a tie game in the 8th.

Sorry, but he will not care

when cueto came off the dl and his era sucked in the minors i was not really worried

for chapmen im not really worried where they pitch him just if they can get him to throw strikes. if he does this he will come back.

mike l needs to do everything right imo or should not come back.

5TimeWSChamps
05-24-2011, 05:53 PM
when cueto came off the dl and his era sucked in the minors i was not really worried

for chapmen im not really worried where they pitch him just if they can get him to throw strikes. if he does this he will come back.

mike l needs to do everything right imo or should not come back.

Yep, I saw Cueto give up 8 runs in an inning when he was pitching up here in Columbus. I also wasn't going to yell at him for sucking like brm would have.

If Chapman HAS to face AAA hitters in key situations to get ready for the Majors, he's already a lost cause. He's pitched in the playoffs, he's pitched in big games, and his problems are mechanical, not mental

5TimeWSChamps
05-24-2011, 05:55 PM
If it were up to brm, Brandon Larson would be our starting 3B.

BUT, BUT, HE WAS AWESOME IN THE MINORS!

brm7675
05-24-2011, 05:59 PM
If it were up to brm, Brandon Larson would be our starting 3B.

BUT, BUT, HE WAS AWESOME IN THE MINORS!

No if it was up to me I would have traded in this offseason for Michael Young of the Rangers and put him at 3rd for the next 2-3 years while we still have Votto and batted him 4th.

ezluke
05-24-2011, 06:26 PM
No if it was up to me I would have traded in this offseason for Michael Young of the Rangers and put him at 3rd for the next 2-3 years while we still have Votto and batted him 4th.

You don't think we can afford Hunter Pence, but you'd trade for Michael young? The same Michael Young who has one of the worst contracts in all of baseball? While apparently paying big money to Scott Rolen to be a pinch hitter.... Yep, thats the BRM I have come to know.

brm7675
05-24-2011, 07:04 PM
You don't think we can afford Hunter Pence, but you'd trade for Michael young? The same Michael Young who has one of the worst contracts in all of baseball? While apparently paying big money to Scott Rolen to be a pinch hitter.... Yep, thats the BRM I have come to know.

No I don't think the Reds could afford either. BUT what I was saying was that if Walt wanted to maximize the teams chances of winning this year and next and maybe be in contention Votto's final season, then I roll the dice and bring Michael young to this team. Is his contract outragous? Sure, but this is MLB, most are. I would use Rolen but in a limited role. Young can play multiple positions. Again no way the Reds do it, but if I was GM I would have and rolled the dice and added a great bat to this team.

ezluke
05-24-2011, 08:57 PM
You have a strange twisted way of not making sense. Let me see if i'm seeing this straight..Another posterproposes a hypothetical trade for Pence, you shoot him down because he's too expensive...then you tell another poster you would trade for Young who is twice as expensive..yet somehow you still looked at this and went" yeah, that makes sense."

There's two ways of looking at this, either you are just going around trying to be argumentative even when you really don't have an actual original thought on the subject..or you believe only your hypothetical trades are worthy of discussion..i'm picking option 3 both are true and you are getting off by annoying/arguing with people and dominating every thread on the board. I'm guessing you are around 15yrs old

brm7675
05-24-2011, 08:59 PM
You have a strange twisted way of not making sense. Let me see if i'm seeing this straight..Another posterproposes a hypothetical trade for Pence, you shoot him down because he's too expensive...then you tell another poster you would trade for Young who is twice as expensive..yet somehow you still looked at this and went" yeah, that makes sense."

There's two ways of looking at this, either you are just going around trying to be argumentative even when you really don't have an actual original thought on the subject..or you believe only your hypothetical trades are worthy of discussion..i'm picking option 3 both are true and you are getting off by annoying/arguing with people and dominating every thread on the board. I'm guessing you are around 15yrs old

No what I said was if I was the GM I would have traded for Young. I also understand there is no way the Reds would make either deal due to money issues. Pence is a nice player, but if I am going to shell out serious monies then I want a player with real pop in his bat which Young does.

ezluke
05-24-2011, 09:12 PM
The hypothetical trade you shot down was much more realistic than the yours..Pence fills a hole, while Young is an upgrade at 3rd the difference between him and Rolen isn't as great as the upgrade from Gomes to Pence......overall the Reds with Pence in left and Rolen at 3rd is better than the Reds with Young at 3rd and Gomes, or whomever in left.


In other words if you were GM you would've chosen the higher payroll, with less talent route.

brm7675
05-25-2011, 12:22 PM
The hypothetical trade you shot down was much more realistic than the yours..Pence fills a hole, while Young is an upgrade at 3rd the difference between him and Rolen isn't as great as the upgrade from Gomes to Pence......overall the Reds with Pence in left and Rolen at 3rd is better than the Reds with Young at 3rd and Gomes, or whomever in left.


In other words if you were GM you would've chosen the higher payroll, with less talent route.

A) If I was GM Gomes isn't even on the team. My starting of is Bruce/Stubbs and Heisey.

B) Pence doesn't bring the bat that Young does

C) i would disagree that Pence is better then Heisey

will5979
05-25-2011, 12:29 PM
A) If I was GM Gomes isn't even on the team. My starting of is Bruce/Stubbs and Heisey.

B) Pence doesn't bring the bat that Young does

C) i would disagree that Pence is better then Heisey

Ah the old if I were GM game...

1. If I were GM Adam Dunn would still be our Lfer, I don't care what I would have had to pay him, barring injury this man is a sure fire HOFer.

2. I make an immediate trade to get Reyes here, trading prospects.

lonewolf371
05-25-2011, 12:30 PM
The hypothetical trade you shot down was much more realistic than the yours..Pence fills a hole, while Young is an upgrade at 3rd the difference between him and Rolen isn't as great as the upgrade from Gomes to Pence......overall the Reds with Pence in left and Rolen at 3rd is better than the Reds with Young at 3rd and Gomes, or whomever in left.


In other words if you were GM you would've chosen the higher payroll, with less talent route.
You also didn't mention one other thing about the NL that makes Young a bad get... you have to play him in the field. His glove is about as bad as Gomes' relative to his position, only thing is it hurts you more when that happens at 3B. Rolen, please.

brm7675
05-25-2011, 01:26 PM
Ah the old if I were GM game...

1. If I were GM Adam Dunn would still be our Lfer, I don't care what I would have had to pay him, barring injury this man is a sure fire HOFer.

2. I make an immediate trade to get Reyes here, trading prospects.

I like Dunn, but no chance he ever even sniffs the HOF, he is a one tool player at best and while he isn't bad, he is no HOF player.

I like Reyes but I don't like rentals and that is all he would be.

will5979
05-25-2011, 02:58 PM
I like Dunn, but no chance he ever even sniffs the HOF, he is a one tool player at best and while he isn't bad, he is no HOF player.

I like Reyes but I don't like rentals and that is all he would be.

Well, last time I checked 500-600 career homeruns gets you into the HOF.

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 03:00 PM
Well, last time I checked 500-600 career homeruns gets you into the HOF.

Coupled with the fact that he is not suspected of any PED's, I have a feeling the voters will race to put him in as a clean slugger in this era

will5979
05-25-2011, 03:08 PM
Coupled with the fact that he is not suspected of any PED's, I have a feeling the voters will race to put him in as a clean slugger in this era

Unless being a big ole' corn-fed Texan has to do with PEDs!

brm7675
05-25-2011, 03:11 PM
Well, last time I checked 500-600 career homeruns gets you into the HOF.

Back in the day it may have, but I don't think he will get in on just his homerun numbers. He just isn't considered an all around great player. plus he is right now at 359, He may reach 500, maybe even 550 plus but I don't see 600 and his lack of average, high strike outs and such. Basically he is this era's Dave Kingman and ole Dave ain't in the HOF.

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 03:12 PM
Back in the day it may have, but I don't think he will get in on just his homerun numbers. He just isn't considered an all around great player.

Well, it's also been proven on here you know nothing about baseball, so I think we should just stick to the criteria for power hitters getting into the HOF historically versus your 13 year old viewpoint

brm7675
05-25-2011, 03:17 PM
Well, it's also been proven on here you know nothing about baseball, so I think we should just stick to the criteria for power hitters getting into the HOF historically versus your 13 year old viewpoint

Is Dave Kingman in the HOF?

will5979
05-25-2011, 03:20 PM
Well, it's also been proven on here you know nothing about baseball, so I think we should just stick to the criteria for power hitters getting into the HOF historically versus your 13 year old viewpoint

Pwned!

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 03:23 PM
Is Dave Kingman in the HOF?

Dave Kingman was a career .236 hitter with 442 hr's and drove in over 100 runs in a season 2 times.

Adam Dunn is a career .249 hitter but already has 359 HR's at the age of 31 and has driven over 100 rbi's in a season 6 times, not to mention he's also walked over 100 times 7 times in his career.

It's not even close. Try again

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 03:28 PM
If Dunn continues at his current clip and plays for 9 more years with an average of 30 HR's per season, that would put him at 630 HR's...and 30 HR's a season is very attainable goal considering he's averaged over 40 for his career.

So low end - 630 HR's
High end - 700 HR's

Want to know how many players in the history of the game have hit 630 HR's?

5 as of now

A-Rod will get there obviously, Thome is at 593 right now. Next highest active player is Vlad and Chipper at 441/440 respectively, they won't make it.

He's going to be a first ballot HOF if he continues at the pace he is in if he plays until he's 40

brm7675
05-25-2011, 03:30 PM
Dave Kingman was a career .236 hitter with 442 hr's and drove in over 100 runs in a season 2 times.

Adam Dunn is a career .249 hitter but already has 359 HR's at the age of 31 and has driven over 100 rbi's in a season 6 times, not to mention he's also walked over 100 times 7 times in his career.

It's not even close. Try again

Kingman was a power hitter, which is what Dunn is. Dunn can't play the field, doesn't hit for anywhere near a decent average, has an very high strike out rate and his numbers with RISP are not outstanding. Again he is a very good player, but anyone who looks at him right now as says he is a HOF player needs to get their glasses checked.

brm7675
05-25-2011, 03:31 PM
If Dunn continues at his current clip and plays for 9 more years with an average of 30 HR's per season, that would put him at 630 HR's...and 30 HR's a season is very attainable goal considering he's averaged over 40 for his career.

So low end - 630 HR's
High end - 700 HR's

Want to know how many players in the history of the game have hit 630 HR's?

5 as of now

A-Rod will get there obviously, Thome is at 593 right now. Next highest active player is Vlad and Chipper at 441/440 respectively, they won't make it.

He's going to be a first ballot HOF if he continues at the pace he is in if he plays until he's 40

No chance those numbers your post on the "future" of Dunn happens, especially now with baseball cleaning up his game. Heck he is going to struggle to get to 25 this season.

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 03:33 PM
So once again, I have facts that say 30 HR's a year is very attainable, considering the man's averaged 40. And yet you are using gross generalities and bringing nothing to this argument.

And what about RBI and walk numbers? Not to mention OBP.

Batting average isn't everything

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 03:40 PM
Reggie Jackson - Career .262 hitter, #1 all time in MLB in strikeouts, 562 career HR's...

HOF

brm7675
05-25-2011, 04:14 PM
So once again, I have facts that say 30 HR's a year is very attainable, considering the man's averaged 40. And yet you are using gross generalities and bringing nothing to this argument.

And what about RBI and walk numbers? Not to mention OBP.

Batting average isn't everything

If you believe a player entering his declining years is going to continue to produce on that level then more power to you. You also see him playing till 40, I don't. i see maybe another 4-5 years ending his career in his mid 30's. Yes RBI's and walk and OBP are important, but again is overall game is not HOF worthy. He has never won an mvp, never won a batting title or such. He has never been viewed as a great player by anyone. He is looked at as a very good player and very good players don't get into the HOF. Look at how long it took for someone like Jim Rice to get in and Dunn is no Rice.

brm7675
05-25-2011, 04:15 PM
Reggie Jackson - Career .262 hitter, #1 all time in MLB in strikeouts, 562 career HR's...

HOF

WS MVP, Mr. October, how many WS appearances and such. Great player...

brm7675
05-25-2011, 04:15 PM
So once again, I have facts that say 30 HR's a year is very attainable, considering the man's averaged 40. And yet you are using gross generalities and bringing nothing to this argument.

And what about RBI and walk numbers? Not to mention OBP.

Batting average isn't everything

In the era of the roids, yes 30 HR's per season for a player in his declining years was attainable...hopefully we are past the roid area..

Vottomatic
05-25-2011, 04:51 PM
If Dunn continues at his current clip and plays for 9 more years with an average of 30 HR's per season, that would put him at 630 HR's...and 30 HR's a season is very attainable goal considering he's averaged over 40 for his career.

So low end - 630 HR's
High end - 700 HR's

Want to know how many players in the history of the game have hit 630 HR's?

5 as of now

A-Rod will get there obviously, Thome is at 593 right now. Next highest active player is Vlad and Chipper at 441/440 respectively, they won't make it.

He's going to be a first ballot HOF if he continues at the pace he is in if he plays until he's 40

I disagree. I think Dunn is the exception to the rule because of all the other stuff he can't do - hit for average, K's alot, lousy defense, etc. He is only a HR hitter. And he still has never started and finished a season with a winning team. That is an amazing stat in itself.

ezluke
05-25-2011, 05:28 PM
A) If I was GM Gomes isn't even on the team. My starting of is Bruce/Stubbs and Heisey.

B) Pence doesn't bring the bat that Young does

C) i would disagree that Pence is better then Heisey

Pence better than Heisey..you are impossible. I like Heisey but until he shows he can do anything he is not better than an all-star Rf. You could make the argument that Pence would be the Reds second/third best player.

mu4103
05-25-2011, 05:34 PM
Pence better than Heisey..you are impossible. I like Heisey but until he shows he can do anything he is not better than an all-star Rf. You could make the argument that Pence would be the Reds second/third best player.

Pence would be a great LFer for the Reds. Not sure how willing the Stros would be to give up on him. He has been called a team leader, but they are definitely rebuilding and I am not sure if he fits into their future plans or not. A Pence for Heisey + prospect (Alonso?) trade would make sense for both sides in my opinion.

TheBigLebowski
05-25-2011, 05:40 PM
Ok, enough is enough. My ignore list just increased by one.

40YrRedsFan
05-25-2011, 05:49 PM
Your window of opportunity is a very short one. Phillips is 30 next month. I feel Votto signed a three year deal so if the Reds don't make a serious run at the Series during his contract, he can explore opportunities elsewhere. Stubbs is already 27. You need to add the pieces NOW to give us a chance in the next 3 or 4 years. We need to do it while these players are in their prime.

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 05:52 PM
I disagree. I think Dunn is the exception to the rule because of all the other stuff he can't do - hit for average, K's alot, lousy defense, etc. He is only a HR hitter. And he still has never started and finished a season with a winning team. That is an amazing stat in itself.

Doesn't matter, if he hits > 600 HR's, he's getting in.

He's clean, no evidence of PED's, and he's gonna finish in the Top 10 ALL-TIME in career HR's.

Put your alls blind hatred of the Big Donkey aside and think logically, if he even gets to 550 HR's, he's getting in, 600, it's a landslide

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 05:52 PM
Ok, enough is enough. My ignore list just increased by one.

Me? :(

TheBigLebowski
05-25-2011, 06:28 PM
Me? :(

No, my friend. The author of this glorious post.

brm7675
05-25-2011, 06:31 PM
Doesn't matter, if he hits > 600 HR's, he's getting in.

He's clean, no evidence of PED's, and he's gonna finish in the Top 10 ALL-TIME in career HR's.

Put your alls blind hatred of the Big Donkey aside and think logically, if he even gets to 550 HR's, he's getting in, 600, it's a landslide

He's not going to hit 600, not going to happen you can take that to the bank. he might get to 500 even 550 but he won't hit 600. Again you don't get better as you age....:thumbup:

brm7675
05-25-2011, 06:32 PM
Doesn't matter, if he hits > 600 HR's, he's getting in.

He's clean, no evidence of PED's, and he's gonna finish in the Top 10 ALL-TIME in career HR's.

Put your alls blind hatred of the Big Donkey aside and think logically, if he even gets to 550 HR's, he's getting in, 600, it's a landslide

So I guess you think Jim Thome is a shoe in then?

5TimeWSChamps
05-25-2011, 07:04 PM
So I guess you think Jim Thome is a shoe in then?

17th all time in OPS
20th all time in SLG%
57th all time in Runs Scores
8th all time in HR's
29th all time in RBI's
9th all time in BB's
2nd all time in K's

Absolute shoo-in

Baseball Reference agrees with me on both their HOF monitors

Similar batters all time:

Frank Thomas
Sammy Sosa
Harmon Killebrew
Mike Schmidt
Mickey Mantle

yes, he's a shoo-in you retard

brm7675
05-25-2011, 07:29 PM
17th all time in OPS
20th all time in SLG%
57th all time in Runs Scores
8th all time in HR's
29th all time in RBI's
9th all time in BB's
2nd all time in K's

Absolute shoo-in

Baseball Reference agrees with me on both their HOF monitors

Similar batters all time:

Frank Thomas
Sammy Sosa
Harmon Killebrew
Mike Schmidt
Mickey Mantle

yes, he's a shoo-in you retard

If you believe he is a shoo in, more power to you, I think he will get in at some point but I don't see it as a shoo in. I guess we may view shoo in's differently. I see a shoo in as a first or second ballot and I dont' think he will go in on his first or second. Maybe by the third vote he will.