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BluegrassRedleg
05-28-2011, 04:02 AM
19 Ks, 1 BB in last 47 ABs. That's unheard of for a leadoff hitter. In fact, could be historically bad. Would love Elias to check that out.

Will this pace force them to reconsider the 1 hole, or do you think they'll ride with him no matter what? Would seem to be better suited for 7th at this point.

The DARK
05-28-2011, 04:21 AM
19 Ks, 1 BB in last 47 ABs. That's unheard of for a leadoff hitter. In fact, could be historically bad. Would love Elias to check that out.

Will this pace force them to reconsider the 1 hole, or do you think they'll ride with him no matter what? Would seem to be better suited for 7th at this point.

He's a strange case. He's a proficient stealer and has an acceptable (though unimpressive) OBP, but he's also a legitimate power hitter and has a high K rate. He's a valuable enough player that putting him in the 7-hole in this lineup would be a waste of his many talents.

I'm much more comfortable with him in leadoff if Brandon Phillips follows him up in the 2-hole. Having a guy like Phillips instead of Janish or Renteria there means that Votto, Rolen, and Bruce get that many more scoring opportunities. On days where that can't happen, I certainly wouldn't mind giving Fred Lewis a shot at leadoff. After all, isn't that one of the reasons Walt acquired him?

malcontent
05-28-2011, 05:17 AM
On days where that can't happen, I certainly wouldn't mind giving Fred Lewis a shot at leadoff. After all, isn't that one of the reasons Walt acquired him?
I certainly thought so. He's usually hit leadoff throughout his career.

Somebody would have to ask Baker why he won't use him there.

I also seem to recall Stubbs stating that he was more comfortable batting lower in the lineup.

RedLegsToday
05-28-2011, 08:31 AM
It would probably be a good idea to move him back until he starts hitting again. He's chewing up outs like candy right now. Go Heisey/Lewis, BPhil, Votto, Rolen, Bruce, Stubbs, Catcher, Pitcher, Janish (the pitchers are better hitters than Janish, why shouldn't he hit ninth?).

SidneySlicker
05-28-2011, 09:11 AM
I've been thinking that it would be advantageous to move Stubbs down for a little while now. I'd give whoever is playing in left the opportunity to leadoff right now.

texasdave
05-28-2011, 10:39 AM
Everyone keeps forgetting that our manager is named Dusty Baker. And once he gets an idea in his head it stays there for a long time no matter how poorly it is working out.

Stray
05-28-2011, 12:06 PM
I don't really mind Stubbs leading off. The only other option would be Lewis if he starts to hit...if that happens then I'd be all for the switch.

But it wasn't that long ago that Stubbs had a streak of 2 hit games or something like that. I know he Ks a lot but he hasn't been awful. He probably does need a day off though.

Vottomatic
05-28-2011, 12:25 PM
The center fielder always leads off in Dusty Baker's lineups. Don't you realize that yet? Because they're fast.

Stray
05-28-2011, 12:32 PM
It's easy to bag on Dusty but who should be leading off?

Heisey is a .200 batter when he starts (according to the broadcast last night) and Fred Lewis hasn't done a lot, though I hope his good game last night is a sign of things to come. I don't think anyone wants Phillips back up there...he has done well in the 2 hole...and with all of that Stubbs hasn't been horrible.

BAKER12
05-28-2011, 01:02 PM
The center fielder always leads off in Dusty Baker's lineups. Don't you realize that yet? Because they're fast.

Dusty needs to fire Speier and get you in the dugout next to him

The DARK
05-28-2011, 02:08 PM
It's easy to bag on Dusty but who should be leading off?

Heisey is a .200 batter when he starts (according to the broadcast last night) and Fred Lewis hasn't done a lot, though I hope his good game last night is a sign of things to come. I don't think anyone wants Phillips back up there...he has done well in the 2 hole...and with all of that Stubbs hasn't been horrible.

I definitely agree with that. Right now, even with his recent slump, he's on pace for one of his best seasons to date. I don't think Lewis is good enough overall to be our regular in a leadoff role (and if Gomes improves again, he won't be getting more than half the starts), but whenever Stubbs needs a change of pace, he should be used in that role. I also agree about Brandon Phillips... he's thriving in the 2 and 4 holes this year, and looked lost leading off.

BluegrassRedleg
05-28-2011, 03:20 PM
The center fielder always leads off in Dusty Baker's lineups. Don't you realize that yet? Because they're fast.

:laugh:

Sad but true. You're giving me Willy T flashbacks here.

BluegrassRedleg
05-28-2011, 03:22 PM
I'd roll with this...

Lewis
Phillips
Votto
Rolen
Bruce
Stubbs
Hernandez
Janish

big boy
05-28-2011, 04:06 PM
Would seem to be better suited for 7th at this point.

Agreed...one of the ten reasons to trade for Jose Reyes (http://mattdavidky.blogspot.com/2011/05/ten-reasons-why-reds-should-trade-for.html) is to move Drew Stubbs down in the order. They'll never pull the trigger on such a deal, though.

CySeymour
05-28-2011, 04:09 PM
With the generally good year Stubbs is having, I would hope no one would panick over 47 at bats.

BluegrassRedleg
05-28-2011, 04:52 PM
I would hope you didn't read panic in that statement. Just a question.

I think Stubbs has done a good, solid job overall this season. Like someone else said above, he's an odd player.

CySeymour
05-28-2011, 04:59 PM
I would hope you didn't read panic in that statement. Just a question.

I think Stubbs has done a good, solid job overall this season. Like someone else said above, he's an odd player.

I agree. I just would hate to see any rash judgements come from just about 50 at bats. Every hitter hits a point in the season where they aren't as productive as other times.

Vottomatic
05-28-2011, 05:03 PM
Stubbs will be batting 7th before long after the Reds aquire Matt Kemp from LA.

malcontent
05-28-2011, 05:09 PM
Everyone keeps forgetting that our manager is named Dusty Baker. And once he gets an idea in his head it stays there for a long time no matter how poorly it is working out.
That's a fact.

lonewolf371
05-28-2011, 05:42 PM
I would hope you didn't read panic in that statement. Just a question.

I think Stubbs has done a good, solid job overall this season. Like someone else said above, he's an odd player.
I don't see him as being odd. He has good power, awesome speed, and strikes out a lot. That's what he is and that's what he's going to do over the course of his career.

He's also 3rd in MLB in runs scored and first among lead-off men, so even with his recent slump he's still been pretty good this year.

RedLegsToday
05-28-2011, 09:22 PM
Stubbs is now 3 for his last 4, with 3rbis! ;)

Yay, small sample size!

Krawhitham
05-28-2011, 09:44 PM
19 Ks, 1 BB in last 47 ABs. That's unheard of for a leadoff hitter. In fact, could be historically bad. Would love Elias to check that out.

Will this pace force them to reconsider the 1 hole, or do you think they'll ride with him no matter what? Would seem to be better suited for 7th at this point.

The 10 games before that he was on base at least twice in every game.

I think he needs a day off every once in a while