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Vottomatic
05-29-2011, 09:26 AM
Approaching June 1st and Adam Dunn is hitting .184 with 5 HR's and a blistering 67 strikeouts as the White Sox DH.

Signed to make $12M in '11, $14M in '12, $15M in '13, and $15M in '14. Unreal.

If he doesn't come around and he's on the decline, this could do down as one of the worst contracts in the history of the game. Seriously. :eek:

Roush's socks
05-29-2011, 01:51 PM
Hard to believe that he has fallen off this much so fast. He's either hurt, off the juice, or just mentally in a funk. He has been so consistent in his production it just doesn't make sense that he would blow up like this. He isn't really that old, especially for the type of hitter/player that he is.

Kevin1476
05-29-2011, 04:39 PM
I think I read Adam had an appendectomy surgery. If this is the case? I would think it would set you back a bit. I think Francisco had one last year and it took him awhile to get back on track.

Reds
05-29-2011, 04:43 PM
I think I read Adam had an appendectomy surgery. If this is the case? I would think it would set you back a bit. I think Francisco had one last year and it took him awhile to get back on track.

yeah, at the start of April he had surgery. it was the least invasive kind of procedure for the ailment but still would prevent someone from working out and staying in shape and strong, at least for a minute, I would think.

Maker_84
05-29-2011, 04:47 PM
the removal of streroids has ruined baseball lol

will5979
05-29-2011, 11:40 PM
the removal of streroids has ruined baseball lol

Especially E.V.

redsfanmia
05-30-2011, 10:01 AM
I think I read Adam had an appendectomy surgery. If this is the case? I would think it would set you back a bit. I think Francisco had one last year and it took him awhile to get back on track.

Matt Holiday had an appendectomy and did not even go on the DL and came back mashing. I think Dunn's lack of work ethic has caught up to him.

nouseforaname
05-30-2011, 02:11 PM
Dunn also has not had a single hit vs a lefty this year in 38 at bats.

brm7675
05-30-2011, 02:14 PM
Wait a minute, there have been people here who say he is a for sure HOF....

RedsFanInMD
05-30-2011, 02:44 PM
Maybe he has had trouble adjusting to the AL.

jwmann2
05-30-2011, 03:17 PM
That is a lot of money. Money that we could not have afforded to shell out. Personally, when he was in Cincy, I thought he should have been playing 1st base, the Hatteberg signing made no sense.

I assume he is just not used to DHing and is so used to playing everyday. A big adjustment for a player. He also looked as if he has gained some more weight. I still believe he will end up with 30+ home runs this year.

NeilHamburger
05-31-2011, 02:40 AM
Big guys with long swings like Dunn age terribly post 30. The second he loses any bat speed he will completely drop off a cliff in terms of production. For players like Dunn there isn't usually a steady decline, but rather a steep fall. I was a big Dunn fan, but had no interest in signing him long-term past 32.

will5979
05-31-2011, 09:53 AM
I would still like to see him as a Red, thinking of Votto, Dunn, Bruce batting back to back to back would be a nightmare for pitchers, especially at GABP.

Vottomatic
05-31-2011, 09:59 AM
I would still like to see him as a Red, thinking of Votto, Dunn, Bruce batting back to back to back would be a nightmare for pitchers, especially at GABP.

Still? Are you serious? :confused:

texasdave
05-31-2011, 10:04 AM
I would still like to see him as a Red, thinking of Votto, Dunn, Bruce batting back to back to back would be a nightmare for pitchers, especially at GABP.

Three lefties in a row? You need a copy of Bakermetrics 101. Dusty's head would explode. :explode:

will5979
05-31-2011, 10:09 AM
Still? Are you serious? :confused:

Yeah Heaven forbid a man that constantly hits 40 Hrs and drives in 100 RBIs as well as walks 100 time be in this lineup, HOW DARE I EVEN SUGGEST AN UPGRADE.

Vottomatic
05-31-2011, 10:17 AM
Yeah Heaven forbid a man that constantly hits 40 Hrs and drives in 100 RBIs as well as walks 100 time be in this lineup, HOW DARE I EVEN SUGGEST AN UPGRADE.

Did you not read his 2-month stats in 2011 and the long expensive contract the White Sox are saddled with?

$12M in '11, $14M in '12, $15M in '13, $15M in '14

He's on pace for 233 K's this year. He has only 5 HR's and 23 rbi while hitting .181. He's had 3 hits in his last 33 at-bats.

And then having 3 lefties hit in a row would not be a good idea either.

will5979
05-31-2011, 10:20 AM
Did you not read his 2-month stats in 2011 and the long expensive contract the White Sox are saddled with?

$12M in '11, $14M in '12, $15M in '13, $15M in '14

He's on pace for 233 K's this year. He has only 5 HR's and 23 rbi while hitting .181. He's had 3 hits in his last 33 at-bats.

And then having 3 lefties hit in a row would not be a good idea either.

Corey Patterson < Adam Dunn
Willy Tavares
Jonny Gomes
Chris Dickerson
Jim Edmonds
Lance Nix
Fred Lewis
Chris Heisey

I guess you think one of the 8 above is a better option...

texasdave
05-31-2011, 10:26 AM
Corey Patterson < Adam Dunn
Willy Tavares
Jonny Gomes
Chris Dickerson
Jim Edmonds
Lance Nix
Fred Lewis
Chris Heisey

I guess you think one of the 8 above is a better option...

This points out a major failure on the part of our GM. He traded Dunn and then this is what he has tried to replace him with. MAJOR FAIL.

texasdave
05-31-2011, 10:30 AM
Always wanted to post a chart with some fancy numbers and now I have my chance.
Check out the numbers on Adam Dunn this year.


YEAR FB% wFB
2002 61.6% 22.6
2003 60.3% 7.2
2004 60.5% 34.4
2005 60.5% 27.3
2006 60.4% 22.9
2007 56.8% 34.5
2008 59.8% 34.0
2009 54.6% 23.3
2010 54.4% 29.8
2011 68.4% -4.3


As his career progressed from 2002 until 2010 he basically saw fewer and fewer fastballs. And with good reason. Until 2010 he feasted on them. Someone must have noticed in Spring Training that his bat was a little slow. This year the approach has been to bust him with fastballs early and often. And, to date, they have eaten him up. Maybe the appendicitis injury is the reason or maybe Adam's bat really is slowing down a touch. Or, as ACDC would put it, in Adam's case - a touch too much.

arkimadee
05-31-2011, 12:01 PM
Watching him a few weeks ago, he looks to me like he has put on some weight since last season

Vottomatic
05-31-2011, 05:54 PM
Corey Patterson < Adam Dunn
Willy Tavares
Jonny Gomes
Chris Dickerson
Jim Edmonds
Lance Nix
Fred Lewis
Chris Heisey

I guess you think one of the 8 above is a better option...

Gee, if you'd read more of the board, I think I lambasted Jocketty on the "Rate the GM's" thread about Patterson, Tavares, and Gomes.

If you read the Matt Kemp thread, I went over next year's salary and said that Lewis will be DFA'd.

I never considered Dickerson a starter. I wanted to give Heisey a chance, but never considered him to be the answer to all our problems in LF.

I never liked Edmonds.

I have nothing against Laynce Nix, but he is having a pretty decent season in Washington.

One thing you fail to mention is that Adam Dunn costs about $10 to $12 million more than any of those guys. How convenient.