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Benihana
06-07-2011, 08:15 AM
Some names still on the board I'd like to see the Reds call today:

1. Josh Bell OF
2. Daniel Norris LHP
3. Matt Purke LHP
4. Dillon Howard RHP
5. Jorge Lopez RHP
6. Jason Esposito 3B
7. Alex Dickerson 1B/OF
8. Aaron Westlake 1B
9. Dillon Maples RHP
10. Matt Dean 3B
11. Nick Delmonico 3B
12. B.A. Vollmuth 3B
13. Anthony Meo RHP
14. Williams Jerez OF
15. Derek Fisher OF

Fun starts at Noon

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 08:17 AM
Unless they are willing to really open up the checkbook, I think Bell and Norris might be punts. If Purke's medicals are favorable, he would be a sweet Day 2 pick.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 08:18 AM
Interestingly, arguably the draft's two best catchers (Hedges and Susac) are still on the board.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 08:25 AM
Unless they are willing to really open up the checkbook, I think Bell and Norris might be punts. If Purke's medicals are favorable, he would be a sweet Day 2 pick.

I'd open up the checkbook for Bell. IMO he is Jason Heyward redux.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 08:32 AM
Interestingly, arguably the draft's two best catchers (Hedges and Susac) are still on the board.

I was just going to say this...I would have to think about Hedges in the 2nd if available. Sure they are stocked at the position, but if he is available and they pony up for him, catcher is one of the spots I wouldn't mind being stocked at. Especially a HS guy. Look at Mes, it is 4 years since he was drafted and he is in AAA.

Obviously depends on who else is available, but I wouldn't knock him down just b/c of Mes and Grandal.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 08:33 AM
I'd open up the checkbook for Bell. IMO he is Jason Heyward redux.

If they are committed to him and think they can get him, then I'm in.

Reds Freak
06-07-2011, 08:34 AM
Unless they are willing to really open up the checkbook, I think Bell and Norris might be punts. If Purke's medicals are favorable, he would be a sweet Day 2 pick.

I don't follow the draft as closely as most on here, but how is Purke available? I saw him pitch last year in Omaha for TCU and thought he was a freshman?

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 08:36 AM
I don't follow the draft as closely as most on here, but how is Purke available? I saw him pitch last year in Omaha for TCU and thought he was a freshman?

I think he is eligible due to his age.

Mario-Rijo
06-07-2011, 08:57 AM
Ok so haven't gotten into the prospects at all this year (at least not for several months) so who is falling who has high upside and for what reasons? I see some have mentioned Bell, what is his story and why has Purke not been taken, too early because he has the leverage with the option to stay in school? Also Esposito and Dickerson ring a bell, is Dickerson the kid out of Indiana with the big raw power and is Esposito the best 3B available, is he a quick mover?

I'll try to do a little catching up on my own but what are your guys thoughts on the above and our next pick? I don't suspect any of the guys I have mentioned will be there, what do you guys think?

medford
06-07-2011, 09:17 AM
What makes Bell/Norris tough signings? Is it that they both want to finish school (or go to college, I don't know if they're college guys or HS guys) similar to a Jeremy Sowers in that unless they're blown away by money they're pretty set on that route, or are they tough signings because they're demanding top of the draft money?

It would seem that if its the later case, it may be easier to sign them for less if theyre not really all that into school. Offer them something like mid to late 1st round money and they may eventually bite at the deadline rather than going thru school.

Mario-Rijo
06-07-2011, 09:22 AM
Some names still on the board I'd like to see the Reds call today:

1. Josh Bell OF
2. Daniel Norris LHP
3. Matt Purke LHP
4. Dillon Howard RHP
5. Jorge Lopez RHP
6. Jason Esposito 3B
7. Alex Dickerson 1B/OF
8. Aaron Westlake 1B
9. Dillon Maples RHP
10. Matt Dean 3B
11. Nick Delmonico 3B
12. B.A. Vollmuth 3B
13. Anthony Meo RHP
14. Williams Jerez OF
15. Derek Fisher OF

Fun starts at Noon

What about Johnny Eierman SS (won't stay at SS according to Law probably a CF) and Josh Osich LHP (who has been coming back from TJ surgery but at one point profiled as a top 10 pick)? Both guys seemingly have nice ceilings.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 09:39 AM
I wouldn't get too worked up if the Reds don't pick according to any major media list. From day 1:

Player / Picked at / Ranked by BA / Picked by

Jacob Anderson 35 157 TOR
Jake Hager 32 122 TB
Kevin Matthews 33 105 TEX
Jeff Ames 42 119 TB
Blake Snell 52 187 TB
Dante Bichette Jr 51 108 NYY

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 09:45 AM
I wouldn't get too worked up if the Reds don't pick according to any major media list. From day 1:

Player / Picked at / Ranked by BA / Picked by

Jacob Anderson 35 157 TOR
Jake Hager 32 122 TB
Kevin Matthews 33 105 TEX
Jeff Ames 42 119 TB
Blake Snell 52 187 TB
Dante Bichette Jr 51 108 NYY

Take TB out of it, they went for a few easier signs due to the amount of money they will be spending.

Nathan
06-07-2011, 09:46 AM
Ok so haven't gotten into the prospects at all this year (at least not for several months) so who is falling who has high upside and for what reasons? I see some have mentioned Bell, what is his story and why has Purke not been taken, too early because he has the leverage with the option to stay in school? Also Esposito and Dickerson ring a bell, is Dickerson the kid out of Indiana with the big raw power and is Esposito the best 3B available, is he a quick mover?

I'll try to do a little catching up on my own but what are your guys thoughts on the above and our next pick? I don't suspect any of the guys I have mentioned will be there, what do you guys think?

I'm sure I will be corrected if I'm wrong, but I will give a stab at this.

Bell- Signability. Two words: Scott Boras
Purke- He has had some recent shoulder problems.
Esposito- Some question his ability to hit at the next level.
I have no idea about Dickerson.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 09:49 AM
Take TB out of it, they went for a few easier signs due to the amount of money they will be spending.

Are you sure that applies? 2 of the 3 are high schoolers, and Ames is a JC guy.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 10:00 AM
Are you sure that applies? 2 of the 3 are high schoolers, and Ames is a JC guy.

Overdrafts are common when you are looking to save.

"Look, we like you in the 3rd but we will make you a first rounder if you sign somewhere in the middle".

Joey Votto is a relevant example. Cincy took him as a supplemental but paid him 2-3 money, IIRC.

kg112686
06-07-2011, 10:27 AM
What makes Bell/Norris tough signings? Is it that they both want to finish school (or go to college, I don't know if they're college guys or HS guys) similar to a Jeremy Sowers in that unless they're blown away by money they're pretty set on that route, or are they tough signings because they're demanding top of the draft money?

It would seem that if its the later case, it may be easier to sign them for less if theyre not really all that into school. Offer them something like mid to late 1st round money and they may eventually bite at the deadline rather than going thru school.


Bell sent out a letter to every MLB team stating that he has no intention of signing a contract and is going to play at Texas. Most speculation is that his mother, a college professor, doesn't want him skipping college. So unless some team is willing tho throw him a 6+ million dollar bonus (so basically Boston, New York or Detroit), he is going to college. Even with that big of a bonus he might not sign. Look for Detroit to take a chance with their first pick of the draft if he is still there (#76 or somewhere around there I think).

kg112686
06-07-2011, 10:35 AM
The guy I am intrigued by is Granden Goetzman, a 6'4 OF out of high school in Palmetto, Florida. Guys got the speed/power combination people love and I think, if available when we pick, would be a huge steal. He will probably be gone by then but just another name to look out for.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 10:40 AM
Overdrafts are common when you are looking to save.

"Look, we like you in the 3rd but we will make you a first rounder if you sign somewhere in the middle".

Joey Votto is a relevant example. Cincy took him as a supplemental but paid him 2-3 money, IIRC.

Point taken.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 10:55 AM
How about big Dan Vogelbach at 84?

6'1'' 240 lb. high schooler. Ruth-esque LH power and paunch. 17 HRs in 85 ABs this year.

1 tool player. Normally I'd have zero interest, but hey, this guy would entertain, and best-case he turns into a 40+ HR 1B in Great American, and would sell a lotta dollar hot dogs.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 10:57 AM
How about big Dan Vogelbach at 84?

6'1'' 240 lb. high schooler. Ruth-esque LH power and paunch. 17 HRs in 85 ABs this year.

1 tool player. Normally I'd have zero interest, but hey, this guy would entertain, and best-case he turns into a 40+ HR 1B in Great American, and would sell a lotta dollar hot dogs.

Could have the upside of Russ Branyan or the downside of Samone Peters. I'd give him a shot in the 3rd, probably not the 2nd.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 11:05 AM
Just saw a funny thing from yesterday. The Rays drafted Tyler Goeddel a third baseman who is 6-4, 170 lbs. His father is a biotech guy who helped develop HGH.

Obviously the kid doesn't use. Classic.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 11:34 AM
BA's blog explains the falls of some of the higher rated left on the board.


Bell (No. 15) and Norris (No. 16) both fell because of their perceived asking prices. Bell sent a letter to MLB teams telling him that he was planning to attend Texas and did not want to be drafted. Norris is a Clemson recruit.

The story is somewhat similar for catcher Austin Hedges (No. 28). Hedges is an excellent defensive catcher, but he's also a pretty firm UCLA commitment. Oregon State catcher Andrew Susac (30) is coming off of a broken hamate bone, but he has returned to game action recently.

Righthander Dillon Howard (31) is an Arkansas commitment. Lefthander Matt Purke (32) fell because he's missed part of the season with a shoulder injury. Texas A&M RHP Josh Stilson (23) and RHP Kyle Winkler (43) are facing injury questions that explain their falls.



http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/2011/06/whos-left-josh-bell-daniel-norris-tops-left-on-draft-board/#more-3521

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 11:34 AM
Is today's coverage on TV or Live on Web?

Tornon
06-07-2011, 11:55 AM
Is today's coverage on TV or Live on Web?

I don't think it's on TV anywhere. You can follow it on MLB.com, they may have audio there

VottoFan54
06-07-2011, 11:59 AM
Is today's coverage on TV or Live on Web?

You can watch it here:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2011/draftlive_app.jsp

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 12:01 PM
You can watch it here:

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2011/draftlive_app.jsp

Thanks

VottoFan54
06-07-2011, 12:11 PM
Pirates start day 2 off by selecting Josh Bell.

RedLegsToday
06-07-2011, 12:16 PM
Pirates start day 2 off by selecting Josh Bell.

Maybe they took him because they know he won't sign? They can put in an offer, get rejected, and then have plenty of money to sign their #1.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:17 PM
Pirates start day 2 off by selecting Josh Bell.

Maybe they took him because they know he won't sign? They can put in an offer, get rejected, and then have plenty of money to sign their #1.

Or spent all night speaking to his rep and got comfortable with what he/she told them.

HotCorner
06-07-2011, 12:18 PM
Pirates start day 2 off by selecting Josh Bell.

Kudos to the Pirates! Whether they sign him or not, I'm glad to see a small market team take the chance.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:23 PM
Having issues with MLB and ESPN's draft trackers. Not good for those who want to make the draft bigger than it is.

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 12:24 PM
Having issues with MLB and ESPN's draft trackers. Not good for those who want to make the draft bigger than it is.
I haven't had any issues with MLB's draft tracker, so it might be you.

But, the draft isn't ever going to be that big. Guy's simply don't go from the draft to the majors and because of that, the interest just isn't ever going to be there like it is with the other sports.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:26 PM
I haven't had any issues with MLB's draft tracker, so it might be you.

But, the draft isn't ever going to be that big. Guy's simply don't go from the draft to the majors and because of that, the interest just isn't ever going to be there like it is with the other sports.

Agree, however it can be grown (as it already has).

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:27 PM
I haven't had any issues with MLB's draft tracker, so it might be you.

But, the draft isn't ever going to be that big. Guy's simply don't go from the draft to the majors and because of that, the interest just isn't ever going to be there like it is with the other sports.

You can see the rd2 picks? I only have rd 1 and comp picks right now.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:31 PM
A lot of the "name" guys left are falling this round. Bell, Norris, Esposito, Meo.

Reds Freak
06-07-2011, 12:31 PM
You can see the rd2 picks? I only have rd 1 and comp picks right now.

I can see them FWIW. They just picked #77, Reds have #84.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 12:32 PM
Catching up:

Seattle took Bradley Miller, SS, from Clemeson #62
Arizona took Anthony Meo, RHP, from Coastal Caroliona #63
Baltimore took Jason Esposito, 3B, from Vanderbilt

Only ones update for now, but Edabbs, you say they're at #77 already?

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:32 PM
I can see them FWIW. They just picked #77, Reds have #84.

weird, I can see them on the team page but not the round page.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 12:33 PM
weird, I can see them on the team page but not the round page.

When I brought up the Pop Up tracker, it shows them all, but not under their listings. Very Weird.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 12:37 PM
Some names still on the board I'd like to see the Reds call today:

1. Josh Bell OF
2. Daniel Norris LHP
3. Matt Purke LHP
4. Dillon Howard RHP
5. Jorge Lopez RHP
6. Jason Esposito 3B
7. Alex Dickerson 1B/OF
8. Aaron Westlake 1B
9. Dillon Maples RHP
10. Matt Dean 3B
11. Nick Delmonico 3B
12. B.A. Vollmuth 3B
13. Anthony Meo RHP
14. Williams Jerez OF
15. Derek Fisher OF

Fun starts at Noon


My Top 6 other than Purke now are all off the board, as is Meo.

I'd love to see Purke, Dickerson, or Maples at this point...

GOYA
06-07-2011, 12:40 PM
Gabriel Rosa 6'4" 185 - CF/SS

Plus Plus
06-07-2011, 12:41 PM
http://www.prospectwire.com/pw/players.php?playerID=5564867

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 12:41 PM
MLB said he was top Puerto Rican hitter

Reds Freak
06-07-2011, 12:42 PM
When did UCONN get so good at baseball? Three Huskies have already been taken in the first two rounds and they're playing in the super regional this weekend...

RedLegsToday
06-07-2011, 12:42 PM
Really young also. Doesn't turn 18 until July

Benihana
06-07-2011, 12:42 PM
MLB said he was top Puerto Rican hitter

Here's to hoping he's the next Carlos Beltran.

Between Soto, Ronda, and now Rosa, Reds love drafting Puerto Rican high school hitters in the top 3 rounds.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 12:42 PM
Gabriel Rosa 6'4" 185 - CF/SS

Interesting:

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=5614

PROSPECT ON THE DECLINE: Gabriel Rosa, ss, Colegio Hector Urdaneta HS, Rio Grande. Rosa didn’t perform well at the Excellence Games, potentially costing himself a spot in the top three rounds, according to scouts.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:43 PM
Rosa ranked #118 overall by BA.

Juan Encarnacion comp
Solid raw power
Plus runner
Average arm

Nathan
06-07-2011, 12:43 PM
http://www.prospectwire.com/pw/players.php?playerID=5564867

SS?

Plus Plus
06-07-2011, 12:43 PM
http://www.perfectgame.org/Players/Playerprofile.aspx?ID=276343 - another link.

The link that says he is a CF/SS was last updated in 2010, fwiw. MLB is reporting that he likely will end up in a corner OF spot.

AWA85
06-07-2011, 12:44 PM
Quick google search mentions Rosa being a great SS. Yet MLB said he will be a corner outfielder.

I like the pick from a quick glance!

Benihana
06-07-2011, 12:45 PM
Between Rosa, Duran, Y-Rod, LaMarre, and Waldrop - Reds should have at least 2 starting OF to take over for Bruce and Stubbs five years from now.

Would've preferred to see another upside arm like Purke or Maples, but I'm willing to give this kid a chance. I like Puerto Ricans.

Plus Plus
06-07-2011, 12:45 PM
MLB also reported that he wants to play at the professional level and has no strong commitment to his college (Bethune-Cookman). Sounds like a good pick in terms of signability as well.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 12:46 PM
I am very, very surprised that they are going this young this early. WJ said that they were happy with the current state of the team, therefore allowing to go a little further out, but I was hoping for some more quicker to the show types.

Oh well.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 12:46 PM
Interesting:

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=5614

PROSPECT ON THE DECLINE: Gabriel Rosa, ss, Colegio Hector Urdaneta HS, Rio Grande. Rosa didn’t perform well at the Excellence Games, potentially costing himself a spot in the top three rounds, according to scouts.

This same page ranks him under Tools as "Best Power" and says this

Long 6-4/180 build, future 3B/OF, 6.7 runner, big power potential, present strength, solid arm strength.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 12:46 PM
Ranked #118 best overall player in this draft by BA, for whatever that's worth.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 12:47 PM
With Rosa, Duran, and Y-Rod, Reds could have the "Best of Carribean" OF in a few years(PR, DR, and Venezuela)

AWA85
06-07-2011, 12:53 PM
With Rosa, Duran, and Y-Rod, Reds could have the "Best of Carribean" OF in a few years(PR, DR, and Venezuela)

I will be happy if one becomes an above average MLB outfielder.

GOYA
06-07-2011, 12:54 PM
Rosa

YouTube - ‪Gabriel Rosa Baseball.wmv‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBURQN5YN3g)

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 12:55 PM
I hope he has a long storied career with the Reds and later has a pair of baseball facilities named after him: Rosa Parks.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 12:58 PM
I hope he has a long storied career with the Reds and later has a pair of baseball facilities named after him: Rosa Parks.

With only one row of seats so everyone sits in the front

AWA85
06-07-2011, 12:58 PM
From watching the video, it appears they do not believe in a home plate? Good to see some film though!

RedLegsToday
06-07-2011, 01:00 PM
Jack Armstrong?! He's not related to the Reds Jack Armstrong, is he?

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 01:00 PM
Jack Armstrong?! He's not related to the Reds Jack Armstrong, is he?

I was just going to post this. According to Vandy's website, he is the son of the Reds former pitcher.

RedLegsToday
06-07-2011, 01:02 PM
According to Vandy's website, he is the son of the Reds former pitcher.


You know you are getting old when....

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 01:03 PM
You know you are getting old when....

Yes, exactly. Of course, I made two of my kids (born 1983 & 1988 respectively) that our first round pick was born in 1993.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 01:04 PM
The Nats: Strasburg, Harper, Storen, Rendon, Meyer, Goodwin, Purke.

Wow.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 01:04 PM
Pirates haul so far: Cole, Bell, Dickerson. Solid.

Plus Plus
06-07-2011, 01:07 PM
More on Rosa- http://www.devpgcrosschecker.com/events/Default.aspx?event=769

He was the HR champion in the U17 league.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 01:09 PM
From the Bethune Cookman website, their coach had this to say:

http://www.b-cuathletics.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/010411aaa.html

"Gabriel will make an immediate impact at the Division I level. His make-up and ability to play make him one of the top High School players in the entire country. Gabriel has an excellent upside and with hard work and dedication could become one of the highest players drafted in three years out of B-CU. We are extremely excited to have Gabriel as one of our signees"

krm1580
06-07-2011, 01:11 PM
The Nats: Strasburg, Harper, Storen, Rendon, Meyer, Goodwin, Purke.

Wow.

I don't know if Purke will sign or not, but before teh draft if someone said you would not be picking in the top 5 but still get Rendon and Purke I would think you would be pretty happy.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 01:11 PM
Why haven't the Reds signed anyone yet? Are they being cheap? :)

GOYA
06-07-2011, 01:16 PM
Anthony Cingrani LHP 6'4" 200lbs

The DARK
06-07-2011, 01:16 PM
The Nats: Strasburg, Harper, Storen, Rendon, Meyer, Goodwin, Purke.

Wow.

TBH, I wonder if they don't go the way of the Dodgers and Mets a few years from now. If they don't win at least one championship with the way they'll be paying these guys and the lukewarm market they're in, there's no way they turn anything remotely close to a profit.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 01:16 PM
Rice lefthander

RedLegsToday
06-07-2011, 01:16 PM
Anthony Cingrani, LHP from Rice. Since he pitched for Rice, does that mean he's already hurt?:(

Plus Plus
06-07-2011, 01:17 PM
http://www.riceowls.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/cingrani_tony00.html

Rice player bio

GOYA
06-07-2011, 01:17 PM
YouTube - ‪Tony Cingrani (03-06-2010) Houston College Classic‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2f6fNLc699E)

Reds Freak
06-07-2011, 01:17 PM
Looks like he was Rice's closer. 57 IP, 66 K, 10 BB, 12 saves this year.

GOYA
06-07-2011, 01:18 PM
Wierd whipping delivery.

Reds Freak
06-07-2011, 01:18 PM
Wierd whipping delivery.

That hurts my arm just watching it.

Gallen5862
06-07-2011, 01:21 PM
23 114 Cincinnati Reds Tony Cingrani LHP Rice

GOYA
06-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Next pick - 145

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 01:23 PM
From the Houston Chronicle:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/rice/7571167.html


Once uncertain of his future with the Owls, Cingrani made the move from starter to the bullpen and, armed with a virtually untouchable fastball clocked in the mid- to upper-90s, has emerged as one of the most consistent relievers in college baseball this season.

His hometown is New Lenox, IL near Joliet, called "The Home of Proud Americans" - Bill Cunningham will be all over that.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 01:25 PM
First to majors?

OesterPoster
06-07-2011, 01:27 PM
That is one funky delivery. Reminds me somewhat of a trebuchet.

Superdude
06-07-2011, 01:33 PM
Interested to here someone weigh in on his delivery. It looks like his arm should be shot by the end of June, but maybe it's just a quirk that won't affect him.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 01:34 PM
Interested to here someone weigh in on his delivery. It looks like his arm should be shot by the end of June, but maybe it's just a quirk that won't affect him.

There was someone we faced this week that had a similar type motion, but it's eluding me who it was.

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 01:34 PM
He isn't quite using that same delivery that he used in the video.

The Owls had Cingrani pitch in a summer league to work on his mechanics, and the process continued when he returned last fall. One day during the offseason, Pierce had Cingrani shorten his delivery with a more compact motion as they played catch on the concourse at Reckling Park. At the same time they also worked on another glitch — this one discovered by head coach Wayne Graham — that called for Cingrani to quicken his arm action in sync with his leg lift. The results: better control (10 walks in 50 innings) and increased velocity (from 86 mph last season to consistently reaching 90 to 94).
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/college/rice/7571167.html

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 01:38 PM
Have any local or area players been taken in the draft yet?

GOYA
06-07-2011, 01:44 PM
Have any local or area players been taken in the draft yet?

Zych from Louisville. :)

GOYA
06-07-2011, 01:50 PM
Kyle McMyne RHP Villanova 5'11" 220 lbs

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 01:51 PM
http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-basebl/spec-rel/081010aaa.html


Injuries on the Villanova team changed that plan [being a reliever] and McMyne was pushed into the starting rotation for the entire season. He proved to have a deep enough arsenal of pitches in the rotation as well and finished the year tied for the team lead in victories and second in strikeouts.

GOYA
06-07-2011, 01:52 PM
YouTube - ‪McMyne, Kyle‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8zi96hjPy4)

YouTube - ‪McMyne, Kyle‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nr48XhVPxvo)

Doc. Scott
06-07-2011, 01:53 PM
http://www.villanova.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/mcmyne_kyle00.html

Have him at 6'0"/212#, not 5'11"/220#.

Mid-90s fastball.

Doc. Scott
06-07-2011, 01:54 PM
It looks like the Reds are back to a Chris Buckley special- taking college pitchers who haven't been worked really hard in their NCAA careers. Cingrani and McMyne both fit that.

Gallen5862
06-07-2011, 01:56 PM
21 145 Cincinnati Reds Kyle McMyne RHP Villanova

krm1580
06-07-2011, 02:14 PM
It looks like the Reds are back to a Chris Buckley special- taking college pitchers who haven't been worked really hard in their NCAA careers. Cingrani and McMyne both fit that.

Its a pretty good idea, but I am hard pressed to think of anyone this approach has yielded.

Kc61
06-07-2011, 02:25 PM
Who do we want in the fifth round?

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Who do we want in the fifth round?

BPA! :thumbup:

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 02:26 PM
Here's a guy from my alma mater who should be going soon...hopefully the Reds can make it three in 3 years, I think. (Edit) - 3 in past 4 years.

http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=3634194

Kc61
06-07-2011, 02:29 PM
Reds take in the fifth round:

Ryan Wright, Louisville, 2B

Played five different positions in college.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 02:30 PM
Wright ranked 101 by BA, called him a potential 2nd rounder.

RedLegsToday
06-07-2011, 02:31 PM
Seems like a good pick.

LvJ
06-07-2011, 02:32 PM
16 HR in 254 AB with a .366 BA in 2010

Benihana
06-07-2011, 02:40 PM
Wright is much more interesting to me than Cigrani and McMyne, which is not suprising because I don't like taking relievers in the first few rounds. I wonder how he compares to other big-time college MI we have drafted in recent years like Lohman and Valaika.

If two of Stephenson, Rosa, and Wright can reach their potential, this will be a successful draft. Anything that Cigrani, McMyne, or any of the other picks can provide the big club with will be gravy.

marcshoe
06-07-2011, 02:42 PM
I see the Giants drafted Chris Marlowe. I've heard he's a bit of a brawler and troublemaker, but a pretty good poet/playwright.

The DARK
06-07-2011, 02:43 PM
Why'd Wright fall? Signability?

HokieRed
06-07-2011, 02:48 PM
I see the Giants drafted Chris Marlowe. I've heard he's a bit of a brawler and troublemaker, but a pretty good poet/playwright.

You'd cause trouble too if a bunch of your plays had been attributed to some other guy.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 02:51 PM
Wright's bio on the UofL website says he was born in Columbus and his favorite team is the Reds.

Supposedly his best tool is his bat. Seems to profile as a utility guy who can hit.

Kc61
06-07-2011, 02:51 PM
Wright is much more interesting to me than Cigrani and McMyne, which is not suprising because I don't like taking relievers in the first few rounds. I wonder how he compares to other big-time college MI we have drafted in recent years like Lohman and Valaika.

If two of Stephenson, Rosa, and Wright can reach their potential, this will be a successful draft. Anything that Cigrani, McMyne, or any of the other picks can provide the big club with will be gravy.

McMyne sounds like a bulldog pitcher. He's started and relieved. I kinda like that pick.

Gallen5862
06-07-2011, 02:52 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/

Best Available After 5

HITTERS

54. Matt Dean, 3b, The Colony (Texas) HS
66. Derek Fisher, of, Cedar Crest HS, Lebanon, Pa.
83. Tyler Greene, ss, West Boca Raton (Fla.) HS
85. Tyler Gibson, of, Stratford Academy, Macon, Ga.
87. Kyle Gaedele, of, Valparaiso
88. Nick Delmonico, c/3b, Farragut HS, Knoxville
107. Senquez Golson, of, Pascagoula (Miss) HS

PITCHERS

43. Kyle Winkler, rhp, Texas Christian
46. Dillon Maples, rhp, Pinecrest HS, Southern Pines, N.C.
62. Charlie Lowell, lhp, Wichita State
91. Burch Smith, rhp, Oklahoma
100. Logan Verrett, rhp, Baylor
104. Dillon Peters, lhp, Cathedral HS, Indianapolis
111. Colton Murray, rhp, Kansas
113. Navery Moore, rhp, Vanderbilt

Benihana
06-07-2011, 02:52 PM
Wright's bio on the UofL website says he was born in Columbus and his favorite team is the Reds.

Supposedly his best tool is his bat. Seems to profile as a utility guy who can hit.

Makes sense, sounds like the next coming of Chris Valaika or maybe even Todd Fraizer.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 02:54 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/

Best Available After 5

HITTERS

54. Matt Dean, 3b, The Colony (Texas) HS
66. Derek Fisher, of, Cedar Crest HS, Lebanon, Pa.
83. Tyler Greene, ss, West Boca Raton (Fla.) HS
85. Tyler Gibson, of, Stratford Academy, Macon, Ga.
87. Kyle Gaedele, of, Valparaiso
88. Nick Delmonico, c/3b, Farragut HS, Knoxville
107. Senquez Golson, of, Pascagoula (Miss) HS

PITCHERS

43. Kyle Winkler, rhp, Texas Christian
46. Dillon Maples, rhp, Pinecrest HS, Southern Pines, N.C.
62. Charlie Lowell, lhp, Wichita State
91. Burch Smith, rhp, Oklahoma
100. Logan Verrett, rhp, Baylor
104. Dillon Peters, lhp, Cathedral HS, Indianapolis
111. Colton Murray, rhp, Kansas
113. Navery Moore, rhp, Vanderbilt

I'd be all over Maples, Delmonico, or Dean. Here's to hoping!

HokieRed
06-07-2011, 02:55 PM
McMyne sounds like a bulldog pitcher. He's started and relieved. I kinda like that pick.

Agree, though I was a little unhappy to see that he had walked 8 in 5 innings during that last appearance against St. John's. I sort of think he figures in the plans as a starter rather than reliever, at least until it's necessary to move him (which hopefully won't be the case).

Kc61
06-07-2011, 02:57 PM
Reds sixth round pick:

Sean Buckley, Junior College, 3B.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 02:57 PM
Did Buckley just draft his own kid?

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 02:59 PM
Did Buckley just draft his own kid?

Yes he did

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:00 PM
Yes he did

BA said he was a top 15 rounder

marcshoe
06-07-2011, 03:01 PM
I remember when the Cubs drafted him out of high school, but I hadn't heard anything about him since.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 03:03 PM
You gotta feel moderately good about it, because if he sucks Buckley will get all kinds of crap about it

GOYA
06-07-2011, 03:03 PM
I'm glad to see the Wright pick. But for some reason, I never thought I'd see the Reds draft him.

Benihana
06-07-2011, 03:04 PM
Yes he did

That is pretty bush league if you ask me. It's one thing to make nepotism picks in the later rounds (Piazza for Lasorda, Ozzie Guillen's kid) but to take a kid in the 6th who may or may not have been a "Top 15 rounder" might be crossing the line.

That said, watch Sean Buckley turn into the next Scott Rolen.

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 03:05 PM
That is pretty bush league if you ask me. It's one thing to make nepotism picks in the later rounds (Piazza for Lasorda, Ozzie Guillen's kid) but to take a kid in the 6th who may or may not have been a "Top 15 rounder" might be crossing the line.

That said, watch Sean Buckley turn into the next Scott Rolen.

BA had him as a 6th-10th rounder.

OesterPoster
06-07-2011, 03:06 PM
@jjcoop36 JJ Cooper
#Reds took 3B Sean Buckley in 6th round. Is son of scouting director Chris Buckley. Not a nepotism pick, was rated as 6th-10th. #mlbdraft

Caveat Emperor
06-07-2011, 03:06 PM
That is pretty bush league if you ask me. It's one thing to make nepotism picks in the later rounds (Piazza for Lasorda, Ozzie Guillen's kid) but to take a kid in the 6th who may or may not have been a "Top 15 rounder" might be crossing the line.

The Cards drafted their pitching coach's kid as a 1st rounder back in 1999. Turned out OK for the them, I think.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:07 PM
That is pretty bush league if you ask me. It's one thing to make nepotism picks in the later rounds (Piazza for Lasorda, Ozzie Guillen's kid) but to take a kid in the 6th who may or may not have been a "Top 15 rounder" might be crossing the line.

That said, watch Sean Buckley turn into the next Scott Rolen.


GROUP TWO (Projected HIGH-Round Draft / Rounds 4-10)

29. SEAN BUCKLEY, 3b/1b, St. Petersburg JC (So.)
Son of Reds scouting director/South Florida transfer has explosive power, runs 60 in 6.8; hit .379-10-52.

Caveat Emperor
06-07-2011, 03:07 PM
@jjcoop36 JJ Cooper
#Reds took 3B Sean Buckley in 6th round. Is son of scouting director Chris Buckley. Not a nepotism pick, was rated as 6th-10th. #mlbdraft

Would anyone else love it if he didn't sign due to contract demands?

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 03:08 PM
If he gets major league deal I'm suspicious.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:20 PM
We have some catching up to do.

In the 7th Round, the Reds selected James Allen, 6'0" 197# RHP out of Kansas State
In the 8th Round, the Reds selected Jon Matthews, 6"3", 202#, CF out of St. Petersburg JC

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:20 PM
Here's a guy from my alma mater who should be going soon...hopefully the Reds can make it three in 3 years, I think. (Edit) - 3 in past 4 years.

http://www.virginiasports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17800&ATCLID=3634194

Landed in Seattle in the 7th

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:22 PM
We have some catching up to do.

In the 7th Round, the Reds selected James Allen, 6'0" 197# RHP out of Kansas State
In the 8th Round, the Reds selected Jon Matthews, 6"3", 202#, CF out of St. Petersburg JC

Matthews is Buckley's teammate. Conspiracy theories, start your engines.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:23 PM
Allen is a closer for K-State.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:23 PM
Allen is a closer for K-State.

Here's their bio of him

http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/allen_james01.html

Benihana
06-07-2011, 03:26 PM
3 college relievers in the first 7 picks? :barf:

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Cole Green, RHP, 6'1" 210 lbs. Texas

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:30 PM
3 college relievers in the first 7 picks? :barf:

Is Wayne managing the draft?

Is McMyne definitely a reliever?

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:30 PM
3 college relievers in the first 7 picks? :barf:

I wonder how we've done with converting picks who were relievers into starters. Anyone?

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:31 PM
I wonder how we've done with converting picks who were relievers into starters. Anyone?

Sean Watson...failure.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:31 PM
Is Wayne managing the draft?

Is McMyne definitely a reliever?

I think McMyne is the one who was a reliever, but stepped in as a starter this year following injuries on this team.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:32 PM
Cole Green, RHP, 6'1" 210 lbs. Texas

BA had him as a potential 4th rounder, was a 4th round pick last year for the Tigers.


The Tigers drafted Green in the fourth round last year after he won Big 12 Conference pitcher of the year honors, but he opted to return to Texas after turning down a reported $400,000. After shaking off a surprising shelling by Maryland in his first start of 2011, he has been just as effective this spring.

krm1580
06-07-2011, 03:32 PM
I was looking at the Buckley pick and noticed Osich went a couple picks later. Anybody know why he fell so far other than the TJ from a couple of years ago? He was slated as high as the late 1st or a sandwich pick.

Regarding the Buckley pick I can confidently say he has probably been scouted extensively

krm1580
06-07-2011, 03:36 PM
I wonder how we've done with converting picks who were relievers into starters. Anyone?

I had asked the same question earlier. The only guy I can think of off the top of my head that had any real success at any level as a reliever turned starter was Zach Stewart.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:37 PM
Regarding the Buckley pick I can confidently say he has probably been scouted extensively


“I was on the fence on whether to use a pick on my son or not, but that was only until our annual family Memorial Day BBQ,” Buckley said. “His 15 year old cousin has a wicked wiffle ball arsenal and my boy was just spraying line drives all over our backyard. Needless to say I ran into Walt's office on Tuesday and told him that we are drafting my son very early.”

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:37 PM
I wonder how we've done with converting picks who were relievers into starters. Anyone?

This is really a trick question, since the Reds have had zero success with starters of any kind up until a few years ago.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:38 PM
“I was on the fence on whether to use a pick on my son or not, but that was only until our annual family Memorial Day BBQ,” Buckley said. “His 15 year old cousin has a wicked wiffle ball arsenal and my boy was just spraying line drives all over our backyard. Needless to say I ran into Walt's office on Tuesday and told him that we are drafting my son very early.”

:laugh: :thumbup:

krm1580
06-07-2011, 03:38 PM
Ok. I would like to retract my earlier statement.;)

Caveat Emperor
06-07-2011, 03:38 PM
This is really a trick question, since the Reds have had zero success with starters of any kind up until a few years ago.

Franchise rocked it hard when it came to turning starters into medical projects, though.

GOYA
06-07-2011, 03:38 PM
YouTube - ‪Ryan Wright (Louisville @ UConn 05-13-11)‬‏ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZS0YplJ7iek)

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:39 PM
This is really a trick question, since the Reds have had zero success with starters of any kind up until a few years ago.

Not taking offense, but it wasn't intended as a trick question. With the new regime (Jocketty taking over), have we taken any relievers from college and worked on making them starters? I honestly don't know the answer to that.

RichRed
06-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Reds select Ronald Pinckard, RHP from Baylor, the rare signing of a Texas kid.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:40 PM
I tweeted Sam LeCure to ask for his opinion on the Cole Green pick out of Texas, thinkig maybe he's heard some reports on him. No reply yet.

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Not taking offense, but it wasn't intended as a trick question. With the new regime (Jocketty taking over), have we taken any relievers from college and worked on making them starters? I honestly don't know the answer to that.

I think it would be more like since Buckley took over. Jocketty has very little dabbling going on, especially when it comes to something like this which is gong to be made by the scouting/development guys.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:45 PM
In 10th Round, Ronald Pinckard (aka as Brooks Pinckard), RHP, 6'1", 190# Baylor

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 03:45 PM
Reds select Ronald Pinckard, RHP from Baylor, the rare signing of a Texas kid.

Goes by Brooks. Two way player, throws up to 96 MPH out of the bullpen. Did start some this season though out of need.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:45 PM
I think it would be more like since Buckley took over. Jocketty has very little dabbling going on, especially when it comes to something like this which is gong to be made by the scouting/development guys.

Thanks for clarification. I'm guessing that the answer is that we haven't really converted many relievers to starters after drafting them.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:47 PM
Goes by Brooks. Two way player, throws up to 96 MPH out of the bullpen. Did start some this season though out of need.


Pinckard is one of the fastest runners in college baseball and has used his plus-plus speed to steal 60 bases in 66 attempts over three seasons.

Gallen5862
06-07-2011, 03:50 PM
If nothing else the Reds can use Pinckard as a pinch runner.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:52 PM
Pirates take Jo-El Bennett-Lowe in the 11th round. Is he from the planet Krypton? Or the UK?

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 03:53 PM
Seattle takes Cameron Hobson, LHP out of University of Dayton in 11th round.

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 03:55 PM
Would love to see them pick Maples off the board.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:02 PM
Interesting pick in the 11th round, Vaughn Covington, RHP, 6'5", see this report indicating he had Tommy John surgery last September, otherwise might have been higher pick

http://mackade.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/mack-draft-vaughn-covington-taylor-jungmann-dan-langfield-henry-owens/

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:05 PM
Interesting pick in the 11th round, Vaughn Covington, RHP, 6'5", see this report indicating he had Tommy John surgery last September, otherwise might have been higher pick

http://mackade.wordpress.com/2011/02/27/mack-draft-vaughn-covington-taylor-jungmann-dan-langfield-henry-owens/

He's our annual Canadian pick, out of British Columbia

http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=5822

Listed as a "Wild Card" in the draft on that site.


Vaughn Covington, rhp, Killarney HS, Vancouver, B.C. The 6-foot-4, 210-pound Covington may have more upside than any Canadian pitcher in this year’s draft, but he underwent Tommy John surgery last September and hasn’t thrown a pitch in the better part of a year. He may be too much of a risk for a team to pop him in the first 5-6 rounds.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:13 PM
12th Round, Joe Serrano, Salpointe Catholic HS, Arizona, SS, 5'11", 180 lbs., R/R

RichRed
06-07-2011, 04:14 PM
Serrano's got the disks! Serrano's got the disks!

(Sorry.)

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:16 PM
12th Round, Joe Serrano, Salpointe Catholic HS, Arizona, SS, 5'11", 180 lbs., R/R

Serrano has committed to Arkansas, here's interview with him.

http://arkansas.scout.com/2/1076439.html

RichRed
06-07-2011, 04:20 PM
Cardinals drafted a kid named Colby Byrd. No word on whether he'll agree to LaRussa's demands that he change his first name to "Red."

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:25 PM
13th Round, Nickolas Fleece, RHP, Texas A&M, 6'2", 215 lbs.

RichRed
06-07-2011, 04:28 PM
Would love to see them pick Maples off the board.

Stupid Cubs got him in the 14th.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 04:30 PM
13th Round, Nickolas Fleece, RHP, Texas A&M, 6'2", 215 lbs.

I think we were taken on that pick.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:35 PM
I think we were taken on that pick.

Not going to bite. :lol:

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:36 PM
14th Round, Leo Kemp, RHP, 6'4" 210 lbs. St. Joseph's University (he's a junior)

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:37 PM
14th Round, Leo Kemp, RHP, 6'4" 210 lbs. St. Joseph's University (he's a junior)

Apparently goes by Ryan, another reliever (actually looks like he started most games he appeared in last season).

http://www.sjuhawks.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/kemp_ryan00.html

RichRed
06-07-2011, 04:41 PM
There have been roughly 75 players named Tyler taken in this draft.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:44 PM
15th Round, Joseph Dorton, RHP, Lugoff-Elgin (SC) HS, 6'3", 180 lbs.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:48 PM
I can probably do the 16th round and then I have to head home to make dinner.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:50 PM
Didn't see anyone mention this, the Cubs took Wayne Gretzky's son in the 7th round

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-cubs-draft-wayne-gretzkys-son-20110607,0,5659071.story

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 04:55 PM
Through 15 rounds:

10 pitchers (7 college, 3 HS)

5 hitters (1 college, 2 JC, 2 HS)

Observations
1. The big $$$ will go to high-ceiling HS talent (Stephenson & Rosa), but the depth is in college arms.
2. There's only 1 advanced hitter (Wright), and probably only 1 hitter with big upside (Rosa).

I'm calling this a pitching draft.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 04:58 PM
Sorry, folks, they've dragged this round out too long. Have to run.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 05:01 PM
OK, I lied. 16th Round, Conor Costello, RF, 6'3" 180 lbs out of Edmond Santa Fe HS, R/R

edabbs44
06-07-2011, 05:05 PM
OK, I lied. 16th Round, Conor Costello, RF, 6'3" 180 lbs out of Edmond Santa Fe HS, R/R

Looks like Costello is more of a pitching prospect.


Triceps tendinitis limited Costello on the mound in 2010, but he was healthy this spring and his fastball jumped to 88-91 mph. He has a quick arm and more projection remaining in his slender 6-foot-3, 175-pound frame. He's a good athlete who also shows feel for sprinning a curveball.

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 05:11 PM
Looks like Costello is more of a pitching prospect.

Maybe, but the hitting reports on his tools were not bad either. Quick hands, good bat speed and he has some size.

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 05:24 PM
17th round: Morgan Phillips - SS - HS

Interesting set of tools, pretty raw it seems though.

_Sir_Charles_
06-07-2011, 05:33 PM
17th round: Morgan Phillips - SS - HS

Interesting set of tools, pretty raw it seems though.

A future Phillips to Phillips DP combo? :D

icehole3
06-07-2011, 05:34 PM
this is like an icehole3 dream draft so far, Im giddy, I wish they would take this approach every year, Im hoping for 13 out of 20 pitchers then draft the best power hitters available from that point on

dougdirt
06-07-2011, 05:35 PM
A future Phillips to Phillips DP combo? :D

I hope not. As much as I like Brandon, I hope he isn't still the Reds 2B in 5 years.

11larkin11
06-07-2011, 06:02 PM
Just watched Wright's scouting video. His swing is VERY compact and VERY quick.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 06:06 PM
Round #18 Jim Moran, USF, RHP, 6'1", 170# (Junior)
Round #19 Christopher Joyce, Santa Barbara CC, LHP, 6'0", 195#
Round #20 Dan Jenson, Univ. of Cincinnati, RHP, 6'8", 225#

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 06:12 PM
Round #21 Carlos Gonzalez, Cal State Northridge, RHP, 6'1", 195#

RichRed
06-07-2011, 06:18 PM
Round #18 Jim Moron (yes, that's correct), USF, RHP, 6'1", 170# (Junior)


It's actually Moran. The a's kinda do look like o's on the tracker though.

RichRed
06-07-2011, 06:18 PM
Round #21 Carlos Gonzalez, Cal State Northridge, RHP, 6'1", 195#

CarGo 2, Electric Boogaloo!

11larkin11
06-07-2011, 06:28 PM
Reds took Amir Garrett, one of the top basketball recruits in the country signed on at St. Johns. Thought he was going in the second round according to his Twitter...

RichRed
06-07-2011, 06:31 PM
Reds took Amir Garrett, one of the top basketball recruits in the country signed on at St. Johns. Thought he was going in the second round according to his Twitter...

I knew the name was familiar. It's because I just read this article the other day:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 06:38 PM
It's actually Moran. The a's kinda do look like o's on the tracker though.

Especially when you need to update your bifocal RX, thanks, corrected it.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 06:40 PM
Round #22, Salvatore Romano, Southington (CT) HS, RHP, 6'5", 225#

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 06:45 PM
Round #23 Nicholas O'Shea, 1B, Minnesota, 6'3", 220#

Gallen5862
06-07-2011, 06:54 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/

Posturing of this sort is common leading up to the draft, but for what it's worth, a source close to the family said if Garrett was selected in the first seven rounds and offered a bonus of around $1.5 million, he would "drop everything" and enter the minors.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/index.html#ixzz1OdLFyTcX

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 06:56 PM
Round #24 Justice French, Mercer University, RHP, 6'4", 215#

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 07:00 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/

Posturing of this sort is common leading up to the draft, but for what it's worth, a source close to the family said if Garrett was selected in the first seven rounds and offered a bonus of around $1.5 million, he would "drop everything" and enter the minors.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/index.html#ixzz1OdLFyTcX

We have seemed in the last few years to step up to the plate & sign some of these picks. Not sure if we can get one like this, but it will be interesting.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Round #24 Justice French, Mercer University, RHP, 6'4", 215#

Fairly serious health history with this pick, Melanoma

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2011/may/at+mercer%2C+justice+prevails

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 07:08 PM
Round #25 Juan Perez, College of the Canyons, 2B, 6'1", 183# L/R

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 07:46 PM
Round #26 Taylor Wrenn, University of Tampa, 2B, 5'11", 175#, L/R
Round #27 Verdanys Perez, (no school), OF, 6'1", 190#, S/R
Round #28 Daniel Delgado, (no school), RHP, 6'0", 175#

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 08:00 PM
Round #29 Josef Terry, Cal State Fullerton, 3B, 5'11", 185#, L/R

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 08:11 PM
Taylor Wrenn.......

http://www.ncaa.com/news/baseball/2011-02-04/wrenn-bounces-back-adversity

His hero might be Bronson Arroyo

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Google search for Verdanys Perez comes up with NADA !!

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 08:13 PM
Love the Garrett selection. I was wondering if they'd make a run at a tough sign late.

Brutus
06-07-2011, 08:16 PM
Really hope the Reds draft Abbott to go with Costello. I would hate to break up a battery tandem.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 08:17 PM
Love the Garrett selection. I was wondering if they'd make a run at a tough sign late.

Can't he do both? Play Baseball as pro and college Basketball as amateur?

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 08:28 PM
Google search for Verdanys Perez comes up with NADA !!

You might recheck my spelling. I was having trouble differentiating some of the text.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 08:33 PM
Can't he do both? Play Baseball as pro and college Basketball as amateur?

Yes -- Lucas O'Rear did. The Reds had Dunn under contract while he played football for a while at Texas too.

kg112686
06-07-2011, 08:41 PM
Round Name (Age) - Position - School Height Weight

1. Robert Stephenson (18) - RHP - Alhambra High School (CA) 6'2" 190lbs
2. Gabriel Rosa (17) - CF - Cloegio Hector Urdaneta (Puerto Rico) 6'4" 185lbs
3. Anthony Cingrani (21) - LHP - Rice 6'4" 200lbs
4. Kyle McMyne (21) - RHP - Villanova 5'11" 220lbs
5. Ryan Wright (21) - 2B - Louisville 6'1'' 195lbs
6. Sean Buckley (21) - 3B - St. Petersburg JC 6'4'' 220lbs
7. James Allen (21) - RHP - Kansas St. 6'1'' 197lbs
8. Jon Matthews (20) - CF - St. Petersburg JC 6'3'' 205lbs
9. Cole Green (22) - RHP - Texas 6'0'' 220lbs
10. Ronald Pinckard (22) - RHP - Baylor 6'01 190lbs
11. Vaughn Covington (17) - RHP - Killarney HS (Canada) 6'5'' 180lbs
12. Joe Serrano (17) - SS - Salpointe Catholic HS (TX) 5'11'' 180lbs
13. Nickolas Fleece (22) - RHP - Texaz A&M 6'2'' 215lbs
14. Leo Kemp (20) - RHP - St. Josephs 6'4'' 210lbs
15. Joseph Dotron (18) - RHP - Lugoff-Elgin HS (SC) 6'3'' 180lbs
16. Conor Costello (18) - RF - Edmond Santa Fe HS (OK) 6'3'' 180lbs
17. Morgan Phillips (17) - SS - Frederick Douglas Academy (NY) 6'1'' 192lbs
***18. Jim Moran (21) - RHP - USF 6'1'' 170lbs
19. Christopher Joyce (21) - LHP - Santa Barbara CC 6'0'' 195lbs
20. Dan Jensen (21) - RHP - University of Cincinnati 6'8'' 225lbs
21. Carlos Gonzalez (21 in 5 days) - RHP - Cal State Northridge 6'1'' 195lbs
22. Amir Garrett (19) - LHP - Henderson International School (NV) 6'6'' 195lbs
23. Salvatore Romano (17) - RHP - Southington HS (CT) 6'5'' 225lbs
24. Nicholas O'Shea (22) - 1B - Minnesota 6'3'' 220lbs
25. Justice French (21) - RHP - Mercer 6'4'' 215lbs
26. Juan Perez (19) - 2B - College of the Canyons 6'1'' 183lbs
27. Taylor Wrenn (21) - 2B - University of Tampa 5'11'' 175lbs
28. Yordanys Perez (17) - OF - (No School) 6'1'' 190lbs
29. Dariel Delgado (17) - RHP - (No School) 6'0'' 178lbs
30. Josef Terry (21) - 3B - Cal State Fullerton 5'11 185lbs

***Happy Birthday Jim Moran

kg112686
06-07-2011, 08:51 PM
Breakdown
RHP - 15
LHP - 3
1B - 1
2B - 3
3B - 3
SS - 2
C - 0
OF - 3

9 High School
16 College
3 Community College
2 Unknown

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 09:00 PM
Sal Romano is a decent prospect too, per BA.

Pitching draft, all the way.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 09:01 PM
I wonder what the story on the "no school" kids is....

HokieRed
06-07-2011, 09:04 PM
Sal Romano is a decent prospect too, per BA.

Pitching draft, all the way.

Yes, it's interesting to think about why they went so heavily this way--whether it was just strictly BPA every round, or caused in part by being so late in positioning, or based on an assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the system at present. I can't draw any conclusions but it does seem like they clearly decided to go pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

lollipopcurve
06-07-2011, 09:10 PM
Yes, it's interesting to think about why they went so heavily this way--whether it was just strictly BPA every round, or caused in part by being so late in positioning, or based on an assessment of the strengths and weaknesses of the system at present. I can't draw any conclusions but it does seem like they clearly decided to go pitching, pitching, and more pitching.

I think it has to involve an assessment of the system to a certain degree.

redsmetz
06-07-2011, 09:28 PM
I wonder what the story on the "no school" kids is....

Not sure, but Yordanys Perez seems to have been playing for a club in McAllen, TX. Maybe home schooled or finished school early. It will be interesting to see.

HokieRed
06-07-2011, 09:36 PM
I think it has to involve an assessment of the system to a certain degree.

Agree, though it seems like the worst hole in the pitching is at the AA level right now. I've no problem, though, with the idea that keeping a steady flow of decent pitching is imperative, especially for small market clubs. Ideally it should make for a lot of flexibility.

marcshoe
06-07-2011, 10:07 PM
What are the odds that Morgan Phillips ends up playing second?

batsfan
06-07-2011, 10:43 PM
Not sure, but Yordanys Perez seems to have been playing for a club in McAllen, TX. Maybe home schooled or finished school early. It will be interesting to see.

He seems be a cuban defect in Independence ball according to this article (http://www.northamericanleague.com/view/northamericanleague/news/news_26306).

Guacarock
06-07-2011, 10:49 PM
I wonder what the story on the "no school" kids is....

It appears the McAllen Thunder had just signed Yordanys Perez on May 4, fresh from the 17-year-old playing CF for the Ciego de Avila Tigres in Cuba. The press release announcing the signing states:

"Also signed were two players who formerly played in for the Ciego de Avila Tigres in the Cuban National series. They are infielder Yarbel Tamayo and outfielder Yordanys Perez.

Although their statistics were not immediately known, the Tigres play in what is recognized as Cuba's toughest division."

So, Perez isn't a product of home schooling, but rather a product of Cuba's fiercely competitive baseball scene. Hope we snared a diamond in the rough with this pick.

JaxRed
06-07-2011, 10:52 PM
Yes -- Lucas O'Rear did. The Reds had Dunn under contract while he played football for a while at Texas too.

Seems like a no-brainer for him. Sign a Baseball contract so you're not forced to sell memorabilia for spending money, and play college BB!

corkedbat
06-07-2011, 11:22 PM
Pretty much par for the course. A lot of pitching, some utiility-types and precious little in the way of power or corner-types outside of possibly Rosa. What kind of power-potential does Buckley's kid have?

Grande Donkey
06-07-2011, 11:37 PM
I don't know if this was already posted but it was good to see.


Jocketty said scouting director Chris Buckley didnt want to take son Sean in 6th round "We made him. Our scouts really like the kid." #redsvia Fay.

Superdude
06-08-2011, 01:38 AM
Jocketty said scouting director Chris Buckley didnt want to take son Sean in 6th round "We made him. Our scouts really like the kid." #reds

Maybe Sean wasn't supposed to know that Walt? :p

redsmetz
06-08-2011, 05:38 AM
It appears the McAllen Thunder had just signed Yordanys Perez on May 4, fresh from the 17-year-old playing CF for the Ciego de Avila Tigres in Cuba. The press release announcing the signing states:

"Also signed were two players who formerly played in for the Ciego de Avila Tigres in the Cuban National series. They are infielder Yarbel Tamayo and outfielder Yordanys Perez.

Although their statistics were not immediately known, the Tigres play in what is recognized as Cuba's toughest division."

So, Perez isn't a product of home schooling, but rather a product of Cuba's fiercely competitive baseball scene. Hope we snared a diamond in the rough with this pick.

Yeah, it was just a guess on my part and I didn't have the time to look further. Thanks for getting the additional background on the kid.

redsmetz
06-08-2011, 05:41 AM
Reds recap from MLB.com

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110607&content_id=20157476&vkey=draftcentral2011

redsmetz
06-08-2011, 05:46 AM
The recap for the day indicates that Yordanys Perez is 27 years old. Should be interesting.

mth123
06-08-2011, 05:56 AM
It looks like most of the pitchers were relievers. I'm no expert on draft prospects, but this doesn't sound like a bunch with enough impact to build a foundation from. They may get a lot of useful guys, but outside of rounds 1 & 2 the most interesting guys look like the scouting director's kid and a 27 year old Cuban picked in the 28th round.

JaxRed
06-08-2011, 07:04 AM
I bet that's a typo. The link above had him at 17.

lollipopcurve
06-08-2011, 07:31 AM
They may get a lot of useful guys, but outside of rounds 1 & 2 the most interesting guys look like the scouting director's kid and a 27 year old Cuban picked in the 28th round.

Let's see who they sign. But I strongly disagree with who's interesting here. Pinckard, Garrett, Covington, Romano are all raw, high ceiling arms. Same for Cingrani, and maybe more. Not a great chance any reaches his ceiling, but there is a pretty deep pool of good arms here. Not a fan of the Buckley pick because nepotism selections bother me....

redsmetz
06-08-2011, 07:40 AM
I bet that's a typo. The link above had him at 17.

MLB's Draft Tracker is showing him born in 1984.

BTW, whoever selected that font for the tracker should be summarily dismissed. The "Y" looks so much like a "V" and I checked some last names starting with "Y". Just a horribly indistinct font. Sorry for the typos yesterday. I think folks have corrected them.

I'm not going to be able to follow as closely today and report. I've got projects for three different clients I have to work on all day.

redsmetz
06-08-2011, 07:43 AM
Not a fan of the Buckley pick because nepotism selections bother me....

I'm guessing you would agree with me, but I'm willing to see how it plays out. Sounds like Buckley was acutely aware of that potential charge and was overruled by his staff. Imagine how we'd feel if he panned out elsewhere and questioned why the Reds let him get away. I doubt he gets a free pass. He'll have to prove himself like everyone else, maybe more so.

JaxRed
06-08-2011, 07:47 AM
MLB's Draft Tracker is showing him born in 1984.



That's the potential typo I'm talking about. At this point you have something that says 1984, but you have an actual person that wrote he was 17. I'm inclined to believe the person and assume someone missed the 9 and hit the 8 when typing in the birthdate.

edabbs44
06-08-2011, 08:18 AM
That's the potential typo I'm talking about. At this point you have something that says 1984, but you have an actual person that wrote he was 17. I'm inclined to believe the person and assume someone missed the 9 and hit the 8 when typing in the birthdate.

There are articles online from 2009 where he was playing in Cuba. Unless he was a top player in Cuba as a 15 year old while getting hits off of Aroldis Chapman, he is probably 27.


Chapman also had excellent control (10 strike outs) and his fastball was clocked at 100 MPH. However in the sixth inning, Yordanis Perez managed one of Ciego’s six hits followed by pinch hitter Mario Vega receiving a 99 MPH fastball on his left forearm to put two on. Chapman then gave up a liner to center by Adonis Garcia driving in the deciding runs.



http://www.cubaheadlines.com/2009/05/09/17090/playoffs_cuban_baseball_villaclara_goes_its_homela nd_with_two_games_after_a_31_friday_night.html

Benihana
06-08-2011, 08:35 AM
After having a night to digest everything, my take on this draft is as follows:

1. If 2 of Stephenson, Rosa, Wright and Garret achieve their upside, this draft is a success.
2. Why do Buckley & co. love college relievers so much? Four of the top 10 picks either were or project to bullpen arms. IMO that's not how a small market team like the Reds unlock value through the draft.
3. It will be very interesting to see whether they can sign Garrett, Romano, Serrano and Phillips. I like drafting HS players after the top 10 rounds because I believe there is so much more upside/value. Those are frequently guys that will be first and second round picks 2-3 years from now. It's great to get them playing in your system earlier, especially if the opportunity cost is organizational filler.
4. Cole Green was a good ninth round pick. He could easily be another Sam LeCure at least.
5. Here are some ceiling comps I came up with off the top of my head:

Robert Stephenson - Homer Bailey or Matt Garza
Gabriel Rosa - Corey Hart with the ceiling of Carlos Beltran
Anthony Cingrani - somewhere between Matt Anderson (actual career not potential) and David Aardsma
Ryan Wright - Chris Valaika/Todd Frazier with the ceiling of Mark DeRosa or Todd Walker
Cole Green - Sam LeCure
Amir Garrett - Aroldis Chapman (2010/2011 Chapman not projected future Chapman)

lollipopcurve
06-08-2011, 08:36 AM
Sounds like Buckley was acutely aware of that potential charge and was overruled by his staff. Imagine how we'd feel if he panned out elsewhere and questioned why the Reds let him get away. I doubt he gets a free pass. He'll have to prove himself like everyone else, maybe more so.

Time will tell. I know Buckley knows hitters, so maybe his son has absorbed all that to be legit.

edabbs44
06-08-2011, 08:39 AM
After having a night to digest everything, my take on this draft is as follows:

1. If 2 of Stephenson, Rosa, and Wright achieve their upside, this draft is a success.
2. Why do Buckley & co. love college relievers so much? Four of the top 10 picks either were or project to bullpen arms. IMO that's not how a small market team like the Reds unlock value through the draft.
3. It will be very interesting to see whether they can sign Garrett, Romano, Serrano and Phillips. I like drafting HS players after the top 10 rounds because I believe there is so much more upside/value. Those are frequently guys that will be first and second round picks 2-3 years from now. It's great to get them playing in your system earlier, especially if the opportunity cost is organizational filler.
4. Cole Green was a good ninth round pick. He could easily be another Sam LeCure at least.
5. Here are some ceiling comps I came up with off the top of my head:

Robert Stephenson - Homer Bailey or Matt Garza
Gabriel Rosa - Corey Hart with the ceiling of Carlos Beltran
Anthony Cingrani - somewhere between Matt Anderson (actual career not potential) and David Aardsma
Ryan Wright - Chris Valaika/Todd Frazier with the ceiling of Mark DeRosa or Todd Walker
Cole Green - Sam LeCure
Amir Garrett - Aroldis Chapman (2010/2011 Chapman not projected future Chapman)

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2404279#post2404279

edabbs44
06-08-2011, 08:42 AM
3. It will be very interesting to see whether they can sign Garrett, Romano, Serrano and Phillips. I like drafting HS players after the top 10 rounds because I believe there is so much more upside/value. Those are frequently guys that will be first and second round picks 2-3 years from now. It's great to get them playing in your system earlier, especially if the opportunity cost is organizational filler.

Agree with your point 100%, and I would add Covington to this list as well.

lollipopcurve
06-08-2011, 08:44 AM
2. Why do Buckley & co. love college relievers so much? Four of the top 10 picks either were or project to bullpen arms. IMO that's not how a small market team like the Reds unlock value through the draft.

Less wear and tear. College starters can get abused pretty bad.


I like drafting HS players after the top 10 rounds because I believe there is so much more upside/value. Those are frequently guys that will be first and second round picks 2-3 years from now.

"Frequently" is a vast overstatement here. If this were true, high schoolers would dominate the early rounds of the draft. The truth is that these selections offer a little more hope than college guys drafted in similar rounds, but not a lot.


Anthony Cingrani - somewhere between Matt Anderson (actual career not potential) and David Aardsma

Rangy lefty more like Matt Thornton or Jeremy Affeldt, perhaps.

Benihana
06-08-2011, 08:45 AM
Agree with your point 100%, and I would add Covington to this list as well.

Yep, and Costello.

Jake Arrieta, Nick Markakis and Devin Marrero are three recent Reds examples of this phenomenon. My hope is that Kyle Waldrop from last year and some of these guys this year will be examples of the good that happens when the Reds do sign these types of picks.

Benihana
06-08-2011, 08:47 AM
Less wear and tear. College starters can get abused pretty bad.

Yes but usually significantly less upside IMO.

lollipopcurve
06-08-2011, 08:49 AM
Didn't realize he was lefty. Perhaps Jeff Niemann?

Niemann's a righty. Cingrani looks like a bullpenner right now, but I'm sure the organization will consider his starting potential, since he did some of that (unsuccessfully, but with a different delivery) at Rice.

lollipopcurve
06-08-2011, 08:50 AM
Yes but usually significantly less upside IMO.

Best to judge on a case by case basis.

Benihana
06-08-2011, 08:50 AM
Niemann's a righty. Cingrani looks like a bullpenner right now, but I'm sure the organization will consider his starting potential, since he did some of that (unsuccessfully, but with a different delivery) at Rice.

Yep, I deleted. Brain fart.

klw
06-08-2011, 10:03 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/

a source close to the family said if Garrett was selected in the first seven rounds and offered a bonus of around $1.5 million, he would "drop everything" and enter the minors.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/index.html#ixzz1OdLFyTcX

So would I, so would I.

Doc. Scott
06-08-2011, 11:14 AM
Speaking of Lucas O'Rear, anyone know what the deal with him is? He's not on a full-season club. He'd need to move quickly starting 2011 at Billings and being 22 going on 23.

edabbs44
06-08-2011, 11:52 AM
Speaking of Lucas O'Rear, anyone know what the deal with him is? He's not on a full-season club. He'd need to move quickly starting 2011 at Billings and being 22 going on 23.

http://www.northern-iowan.org/breaking-news-lucas-o-rear-out-for-rest-of-season-with-fractured-ankle-1.2457337

Doc. Scott
06-08-2011, 12:11 PM
http://www.northern-iowan.org/breaking-news-lucas-o-rear-out-for-rest-of-season-with-fractured-ankle-1.2457337

Ah, didn't know that. We'll see if he's ready for the beginning of the Billings season in a couple of weeks. If it's just a small crack, it should be okay with four-plus months of healing time.