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wvreds
06-07-2011, 04:53 PM
Fellow Reds fans I believe the Reds should trade Alonso Frazier and Leake... but maybe a different pitcher for Kemp and put him in LF.... as said yardbarker.com............................ Thoughts????::beerme:

Vottomatic
06-07-2011, 05:02 PM
http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89648

There is already a thread about Matt Kemp.

wvreds
06-07-2011, 05:49 PM
I know Vottomatic I could not find it and was in a hurry so i figured just make a new one and see what happens............... BTW thanks for the link!

brm7675
06-07-2011, 05:51 PM
no chance I give up any pitching for Kemp.

Redsnake
06-08-2011, 10:05 AM
I would rather trade hitting for hitting and pitching for pitching.

Wood, EV and Maloney to Seattle for Felix.

Yonder, Frazier and Dorn for Kemp.

Just a thought.

CySeymour
06-08-2011, 10:17 AM
I would rather trade hitting for hitting and pitching for pitching.

Wood, EV and Maloney to Seattle for Felix.

Yonder, Frazier and Dorn for Kemp.

Just a thought.

Why in the world would Seattle make that trade?

PhillipsHead
06-08-2011, 12:01 PM
Can we put this topic to bed? It's dumb. Kemp is unavailable, and this isn't even worth a thought...

Newman4
06-08-2011, 12:23 PM
I would rather trade hitting for hitting and pitching for pitching.

Wood, EV and Maloney to Seattle for Felix.

Yonder, Frazier and Dorn for Kemp.

Just a thought.

Put all those guys together and then add maybe Hanigan and you might have an offer for Felix. I'd do that deal too.

brm7675
06-08-2011, 12:23 PM
I would rather trade hitting for hitting and pitching for pitching.

Wood, EV and Maloney to Seattle for Felix.

Yonder, Frazier and Dorn for Kemp.

Just a thought.

Why in the world would Seattle even consider such a horrible deal?

Vottomatic
06-08-2011, 03:53 PM
Why in the world would Seattle even consider such a horrible deal?

Because they're on the hook to pay Sir Felix around $20M per season until '14.

Wood and Volquez aren't bad pitchers. Wood is still young and has plenty of upside. Volquez is coming off surgery and just now starting to find his location.

Those are 2 starting pitchers and 1 relief pitcher, all currently in the major leagues.

TheBigLebowski
06-08-2011, 04:15 PM
Who the heck is Alonzo Frazier and why would the Dodgers want him?

lonewolf371
06-08-2011, 04:48 PM
Because they're on the hook to pay Sir Felix around $20M per season until '14.

Wood and Volquez aren't bad pitchers. Wood is still young and has plenty of upside. Volquez is coming off surgery and just now starting to find his location.

Those are 2 starting pitchers and 1 relief pitcher, all currently in the major leagues.
When that pitcher is Felix, that's a bargain. Besides, they could get a much better return from a team like the Yankees that's willing to spend more.

Vottomatic
06-08-2011, 05:13 PM
When that pitcher is Felix, that's a bargain. Besides, they could get a much better return from a team like the Yankees that's willing to spend more.

He doesn't even have the lowest e.r.a. out of the team's starting pitching. Michael Pineda has a 2.33 e.r.a. and Doug Fister is tied with Felix with a 3.29 e.ra.

You act like Felix is unhittable or the greatest pitcher in all of baseball.

His last 10 starts:
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS HLD IP
Jun 7 @CHW - loss (1-5), 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 5 earned runs, 2 HR's, 2 walks, 5 K's
Jun 2 Tampa - win (8-2), 7 IP, 5 hits, 1 earned run, 0 HR's, 2 walks, 11 K's
May 28 Yankees - win (5-4), 7 IP, 6 hits, 4 earned runs, 2 HR's, 5 walks, 4 K's
May 22 @ Padres - win (6-1), 8 IP, 6 hits, 1 earned run, 0 HR's, 0 walk, 13 K's
May 17 Twins - loss (1-2), 8 IP, 3 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR's, 3 walks, 9 K's
May 11 @ Orioles - loss (2-4), 5 IP, 7 hits, 4 earned runs, 0 HR's, 3 BB, 4 K's
May 6 White Sox - win (3-2), 9 IP, 5 hits, 2 earned runs, 1 HR, 2 BB, 6 K's
May 1 @ Red Sox - loss (2-3), 7 IP, 6 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR, 1 BB, 10 K's
Apr 26 @ Tigers - win (7-3), 6 IP, 4 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR, 2 BB, 4 K's
Apr 21 A's - win (1-0), 7.2 IP, 4 hits, 0 earned runs, 0 HR, 3 BB, 8 K's

7 quality starts out of the 25 year old stud.

kg112686
06-08-2011, 06:35 PM
He doesn't even have the lowest e.r.a. out of the team's starting pitching. Michael Pineda has a 2.33 e.r.a. and Doug Fister is tied with Felix with a 3.29 e.ra.

You act like Felix is unhittable or the greatest pitcher in all of baseball.

His last 10 starts:
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS HLD IP
Jun 7 @CHW - loss (1-5), 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 5 earned runs, 2 HR's, 2 walks, 5 K's
Jun 2 Tampa - win (8-2), 7 IP, 5 hits, 1 earned run, 0 HR's, 2 walks, 11 K's
May 28 Yankees - win (5-4), 7 IP, 6 hits, 4 earned runs, 2 HR's, 5 walks, 4 K's
May 22 @ Padres - win (6-1), 8 IP, 6 hits, 1 earned run, 0 HR's, 0 walk, 13 K's
May 17 Twins - loss (1-2), 8 IP, 3 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR's, 3 walks, 9 K's
May 11 @ Orioles - loss (2-4), 5 IP, 7 hits, 4 earned runs, 0 HR's, 3 BB, 4 K's
May 6 White Sox - win (3-2), 9 IP, 5 hits, 2 earned runs, 1 HR, 2 BB, 6 K's
May 1 @ Red Sox - loss (2-3), 7 IP, 6 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR, 1 BB, 10 K's
Apr 26 @ Tigers - win (7-3), 6 IP, 4 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR, 2 BB, 4 K's
Apr 21 A's - win (1-0), 7.2 IP, 4 hits, 0 earned runs, 0 HR, 3 BB, 8 K's

7 quality starts out of the 25 year old stud.

Best pitcher in baseball? No. Top 5? Definitely. It would take a lot more than 2 decent/solid starters and a reliever who has yet to prove anything to trade for a 25 year old ace under contract until 2014. They aren't going to trade him anyways so it's a non issue

The Tattler
06-08-2011, 07:10 PM
Way would anyone want to play for a team that is going to finish lower than the Pirates in a city that does not bother to show up for the games?

Vottomatic
06-08-2011, 08:24 PM
Best pitcher in baseball? No. Top 5? Definitely. It would take a lot more than 2 decent/solid starters and a reliever who has yet to prove anything to trade for a 25 year old ace under contract until 2014. They aren't going to trade him anyways so it's a non issue

Agree it won't happen because the Reds won't take on his huge salary.

For that same reason, unloading his huge salary, I think Seattle would do it for the right return.

kg112686
06-08-2011, 08:36 PM
Agree it won't happen because the Reds won't take on his huge salary.

For that same reason, unloading his huge salary, I think Seattle would do it for the right return.

well i think any team that would try and trade for him would have to overpay by a hell of a lot. i mean a completely lopsided trade in their favor. with him and pineda and now hultzen (who should be to the majors quickly) they have 3 pitchers to build around along with smoak and ackley. if they could sign a power bat or 2 they could be a solid team (meaning compete with texas in that division). maybe not next year but 2013 definitely

lonewolf371
06-09-2011, 12:13 AM
He doesn't even have the lowest e.r.a. out of the team's starting pitching. Michael Pineda has a 2.33 e.r.a. and Doug Fister is tied with Felix with a 3.29 e.ra.

You act like Felix is unhittable or the greatest pitcher in all of baseball.

His last 10 starts:
Date Opponent Score Dec IP H R ER HR BB K W L SV BS HLD IP
Jun 7 @CHW - loss (1-5), 6.2 IP, 8 hits, 5 earned runs, 2 HR's, 2 walks, 5 K's
Jun 2 Tampa - win (8-2), 7 IP, 5 hits, 1 earned run, 0 HR's, 2 walks, 11 K's
May 28 Yankees - win (5-4), 7 IP, 6 hits, 4 earned runs, 2 HR's, 5 walks, 4 K's
May 22 @ Padres - win (6-1), 8 IP, 6 hits, 1 earned run, 0 HR's, 0 walk, 13 K's
May 17 Twins - loss (1-2), 8 IP, 3 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR's, 3 walks, 9 K's
May 11 @ Orioles - loss (2-4), 5 IP, 7 hits, 4 earned runs, 0 HR's, 3 BB, 4 K's
May 6 White Sox - win (3-2), 9 IP, 5 hits, 2 earned runs, 1 HR, 2 BB, 6 K's
May 1 @ Red Sox - loss (2-3), 7 IP, 6 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR, 1 BB, 10 K's
Apr 26 @ Tigers - win (7-3), 6 IP, 4 hits, 2 earned runs, 0 HR, 2 BB, 4 K's
Apr 21 A's - win (1-0), 7.2 IP, 4 hits, 0 earned runs, 0 HR, 3 BB, 8 K's

7 quality starts out of the 25 year old stud.
You're acting like ERA actually means something. You can't judge players only by ERA (certainly not helping Clay Buccholz or Tim Hudson this year). What keeps guys being consistently good are two things: 1) a wide array of quality pitches to strike people out and 2) good control (I might toss in ground ball rate as well, but it's not as important as those other two). Felix has both of those things and Pineda does not, at least not yet. Give a guy that only has two pitches 30 starts and he won't maintain that pretty ERA.


Best pitcher in baseball? No. Top 5? Definitely. It would take a lot more than 2 decent/solid starters and a reliever who has yet to prove anything to trade for a 25 year old ace under contract until 2014. They aren't going to trade him anyways so it's a non issue
"Best pitcher in baseball" fluctuates from year to year, but I'll say this: he has the potential to be the best pitcher in baseball every year.