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Blitz Dorsey
06-09-2011, 01:54 AM
I've always thought of him as an above-average/good defensive shortstop. For those that have seen him play a lot, is that accurate? Not as good as Janish defensively, but still pretty good? Who would you compare him to defensively?

And considering Cozart is far better offensively than Janish, hopefully the Reds call up Cozart ASAP and make him the starting SS. As long as Cozart is above-average defensively for a Major League shortstop, I don't know what the Reds are waiting for. Cozart is now batting .320 on the year at Louisville. I don't think Janish is even OPS'ing .320 (I kid, I kid).

cinreds21
06-09-2011, 02:03 AM
He's not as good as Soft-J, nor is he as good as Rojas (I think). However, he isn't bad there. It wouldn't hurt to have him there.

TOBTTReds
06-09-2011, 09:49 AM
He's not as good as Soft-J, nor is he as good as Rojas (I think). However, he isn't bad there. It wouldn't hurt to have him there.

I'd agree, but say he is still above avg in the field.

cinreds21
06-09-2011, 01:26 PM
I'd agree, but say he is still above avg in the field.

That's what I meant to put but for some reason I couldn't think of how to say it lol. Thank you.

Scrap Irony
06-09-2011, 01:44 PM
Good range, arm, footwork, and instincts.

When he enters the major leagues, he'll be among the top five to ten SS with the glove.

Janish is number two (behind Escobar)-- and no one is really close to those two, IMO.

Blitz Dorsey
06-10-2011, 03:30 PM
Good range, arm, footwork, and instincts.

When he enters the major leagues, he'll be among the top five to ten SS with the glove.

Janish is number two (behind Escobar)-- and no one is really close to those two, IMO.

Where do you put Alex Gonzalez, someone who I always thought was overrated?

mdccclxix
06-10-2011, 03:33 PM
Good range, arm, footwork, and instincts.

When he enters the major leagues, he'll be among the top five to ten SS with the glove.

Janish is number two (behind Escobar)-- and no one is really close to those two, IMO.

Agon is not overrated, although he does have the knack for losing the easy one every so often.

I am more impressed by Tulo than Janish to be frank.

TOBTTReds
06-10-2011, 04:35 PM
Agon is not overrated, although he does have the knack for losing the easy one every so often.

I am more impressed by Tulo than Janish to be frank.

Tulo is very good obviously. I'm sort of jaded with his range because the grass is so tall at Coors Field. Tulo has a cannon too, so he makes more plays in shallow left than basically anyone. I'd say he is defenitely in their class as well.

Blitz Dorsey
06-10-2011, 05:16 PM
Agon is not overrated, although he does have the knack for losing the easy one every so often.

I am more impressed by Tulo than Janish to be frank.

Well, I agree he's not "overrated" if you don't have him ranked as one of the top-two defensive shortstops in the game like Scrap. But I've heard a lot of people say Alex Gonzalez is "the best defensive SS in MLB." That's what I'm talking about when I say I think Gonzalez is overrated. Like I said many times while he played for the Reds, "He's the worst 'best SS in MLB' of any era if he's in fact the best in MLB."

I agree Gonzalez is good -- top 5 in MLB good -- but not top 2. A lot of people would put him 1 or 2 and that's just tomfoolery. It's even bobfoolery.

Blitz Dorsey
06-10-2011, 05:22 PM
So, Cozart will be at least an above-average defensive shortstop at the Major League level (and perhaps better than that), he's hitting extremely well at the AAA level, he's 25, the Reds have a big hole at SS right now ...

Remind me why he hasn't been called up yet? (I don't use the misnomer "recalled" if a player has never been called up to the Majors in the first place.)

dougdirt
06-10-2011, 05:24 PM
So, Cozart will be at least an above-average defensive shortstop at the Major League level (and perhaps better than that), he's hitting extremely well at the AAA level, he's 25, the Reds have a big hole at SS right now ...

Remind me why he hasn't been called up yet? (I don't use the misnomer "recalled" if a player has never been called up to the Majors in the first place.)

Because the offense isn't the reason we are losing, or so says Dusty. Who cares about improvement on the side that is doing well overall? :thumbdown:

Blitz Dorsey
06-10-2011, 05:30 PM
Because the offense isn't the reason we are losing, or so says Dusty. Who cares about improvement on the side that is doing well overall? :thumbdown:

Ha. And occasionally, why not bat Janish in the two-hole just to really frustrate us.

cinreds21
06-10-2011, 05:38 PM
I have lost count how many times I've seen "and ____ has not been called up yet?" I know it's frustrating but you guys are gonna go crazy obsessing over why Cozy or Yonder or Mes or Frazier have not been called up yet. It'll happen when it'll happen. I know everyone is mad at Gomes and Soft-J's lack of production, so am I. But there's nothing we can do about it. Constantly thinking about this is gonna do more harm to you guys than good.

Superdude
06-11-2011, 03:19 AM
I have lost count how many times I've seen "and ____ has not been called up yet?" I know it's frustrating but you guys are gonna go crazy obsessing over why Cozy or Yonder or Mes or Frazier have not been called up yet. It'll happen when it'll happen. I know everyone is mad at Gomes and Soft-J's lack of production, so am I. But there's nothing we can do about it. Constantly thinking about this is gonna do more harm to you guys than good.

Constantly ignoring it would leave us all void of anything to complain about. I don't have to explain why that would be a very cold, sad day on RedsZone.

Doc. Scott
06-11-2011, 03:26 AM
I remember Cozart was considered close to big-league ready defensively the day the Reds drafted him. It was his bat that was supposed to be suspect. He is the rare college shortstop that has been able to stay at the position all the way up the ladder.

GOYA
06-11-2011, 11:18 AM
Constantly ignoring it would leave us all void of anything to complain about.

Nope, there's always pitching.

LoganBuck
06-11-2011, 02:13 PM
Nope, there's always pitching.

We would still have batting order, Drew Stubbs' strikeouts, we haven't complained about Francisco Cordero in a while, and the Cardinals.

Blitz Dorsey
06-11-2011, 11:58 PM
I have lost count how many times I've seen "and ____ has not been called up yet?" I know it's frustrating but you guys are gonna go crazy obsessing over why Cozy or Yonder or Mes or Frazier have not been called up yet. It'll happen when it'll happen. I know everyone is mad at Gomes and Soft-J's lack of production, so am I. But there's nothing we can do about it. Constantly thinking about this is gonna do more harm to you guys than good.

Thanks for your profound advice in this situation. I would heed it if I didn't already know better. If I want to say Cozart > Janish ... I will do so all day. If you don't like it, that's fine. That's what makes this country great!

But seriously, I know what you're saying. However, it's getting to the point where it's ridiculous to not call up Cozart and sit Janish down for a while. Can't they invent an injury for Janish like they did with Chapman? That would give Cozart a nice 15-day window to show what he's got. Then Janish could always go on a "rehab assignment" to give Cozart even more time. And if Cozart proves he's ready over that time, he's got the job. If he doesn't, you could always go back to Janish ... or give the job to Renteria for the rest of the year.

cinreds21
06-12-2011, 01:35 AM
Thanks for your profound advice in this situation. I would heed it if I didn't already know better. If I want to say Cozart > Janish ... I will do so all day. If you don't like it, that's fine. That's what makes this country great!

But seriously, I know what you're saying. However, it's getting to the point where it's ridiculous to not call up Cozart and sit Janish down for a while. Can't they invent an injury for Janish like they did with Chapman? That would give Cozart a nice 15-day window to show what he's got. Then Janish could always go on a "rehab assignment" to give Cozart even more time. And if Cozart proves he's ready over that time, he's got the job. If he doesn't, you could always go back to Janish ... or give the job to Renteria for the rest of the year.

Sorry, I think I was just in an ill mood and was frustrated with all those posts. My bad for the mini rant.
As for your idea, it's not that simple, unfortunately. Sitting a player down who isn't somewhat injured and is still providing great defense and telling him they are going to phantom him and give Cozy a try is somewhat of a slap in the face. Yes he is in a horrible rut to say he least, but they are going to give him every chance they can until the ultimately feel they have to move on. Just the big question is, when is enough? With Chappy there was a big problem; he was giving up runs and had a lack of control therefore they had reason to DL him. He wasn't "injured" per say, but he needed a break physically (and maybe mentally, I don't know)
Cozart will be here soon, by the All-Star break I would guess. But once that does happen, one of Janish or Renteria will be gone.

Kingspoint
06-14-2011, 02:38 AM
For those who haven't read Cozart's "biography" lately:

Selected by the Reds in the second round of the 2007 First-Year Player Draft .... graduated from Collierville High School (Collierville, TN), where he was a three-sport star (baseball, basketball, football) ... played collegiately at the University of Mississippi ... in 2008 was a Midwest League All-Star and a Baseball America Class A All-Star ... in 2009 was a Southern League All-Star, the organization's Minor League Player of the Month for June and the SL's Player of the Week for 6/1-6/7 ... in 2010 received the Mary E. Barney Award as Louisville's Most Valuable Player and was a Baseball America Class AAA All-Star ... entered the 2011 season rated the eighth-best prospect in the organization.

Looks like he's on his way to a number of 2011 honors as he's currently batting .491 in June.

RedLegsToday
06-14-2011, 10:45 AM
Since May 1, Zack's BA: .396.
Since May 1, Paul Janish's SLG%: .236!

BoilerBC11
06-14-2011, 04:36 PM
Fun Reds Fact: During the months of June and July, the Reds SS's have batted to a tune of .179/.240/.220. Over that same time, Cozart has swung .396/.434/.611.

The DARK
06-14-2011, 04:53 PM
Does Cozart have any experience at 3B? Janish's versatility may be one reason he hasn't gotten the call yet, in case Rolen/Cairo gets injured.

Meanwhile, Renteria can't exactly be optioned, and it would seem like a mighty waste of a couple million dollars to give up on him now. As frustrating as it is to see Zack tearing it up in AAA instead of the majors, it's not exactly good business for a small market team to spend $2.1 million on a stopgap who doesn't last us to the All-Star break. Players have ups and downs... perhaps Janish could do with a little AAA if he keeps it up, but there's no reason to shut Renteria out of the organization until he's proven that he isn't any more than what he's been so far.

texasdave
06-14-2011, 05:17 PM
Fun Reds Fact: During the months of June and July, the Reds SS's have batted to a tune of .179/.240/.220. Over that same time, Cozart has swung .396/.434/.611.

It's July already? I slept a lonnnnggg time. :)