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brm7675
06-10-2011, 03:15 PM
I am still baffled at how the Reds continue to screw around with Mr. Chapman. It's clear he is not cut out to be a bullpen pitcher and yet they keep screwing around with him. The numbers just show he needs to be moved into the starting rotation. I would start it at where he is now at that is AA...

Down on the farm

The Cuban Misfire
Aroldis Chapman last night at AA Carolina
1.2 innings, 2 H, 2 BB, 2 R, 3 K, 1 WP
37 pithces/17 strikes

AA:
2 games: 0-1 19.29
2.1 innings, 5 H, 5 ER, 1 HR, 3 BB, 3 K, WP, balk, .455 BA
61 pitches/29 strikes
AAA:
3 games: 0-1 13.50
4.2 innings, 9 H, 7 ER, 2 BB, 8 K, .375 BA
85 pitches/59 strikes

Total rehab stats between AAA/AAA
5 games: 0-2 15.43
7 innings, 14 H, 12 ER, 5 BB, 11 K, .400 BA
146 pitches/88 strikes

lonewolf371
06-10-2011, 07:20 PM
To be fair, control issues actually point more towards having a guy in the bullpen than having him be a starter.

MBZags
06-10-2011, 08:00 PM
He ultimately should be a starter, yes.

But it's not like making him a starting pitcher right now will suddenly fix his control problems.

ntorvik
06-10-2011, 08:06 PM
If he fixes his control issues and get get his strike rate up, I have no problem with him being in the rotation. But I don't want to see a guy walking 6, 8, 10 batters in a game just because he can throw heat.

brm7675
06-10-2011, 08:33 PM
He ultimately should be a starter, yes.

But it's not like making him a starting pitcher right now will suddenly fix his control problems.

No question this is not a quick fix issue. That is why I feel he should be put in teh rotation and just alllowed to mature at his rate.

lonewolf371
06-10-2011, 08:42 PM
No question this is not a quick fix issue. That is why I feel he should be put in teh rotation and just alllowed to mature at his rate.
The $30 million minor league starter?

brm7675
06-10-2011, 08:56 PM
The $30 million minor league starter?

yep...it takes time to develop someone as raw as him. Had the Reds done the right thing and left him in the starters role last year at AAA we might be seeing the fruits of that now, but instead we don't know when we will see a return on our investment due to poor handleing by Walt and Bob...

The DARK
06-10-2011, 09:46 PM
I have to ask, how would a rotation job fix his control problems? He may be more naturally comfortable there, but stretching out his appearances like that seems like it could compound his problems rather than fix them by encouraging him to repeat them over the course of 80+ pitches. What's more, if he gets blown up as a starter and batters take advantage of his reduced velocity, do you switch him back?

I'll agree, however, that it's time for the Reds organization to make up their minds on reliever/starter. If he escapes this downturn with his career intact as either a starter or reliever, trying to change him again could send him back to his old ways and possibly ruin him for good.

Redeye fly
06-11-2011, 08:55 AM
To be fair, control issues actually point more towards having a guy in the bullpen than having him be a starter.


If he wants to be or is to be a starter, it also would help if he develops a change up.

I can't think of too many successful starting pitchers with 2 pitches... even when one of those pitches can approach the plate at over 100 mph.

signalhome
06-11-2011, 02:02 PM
If he wants to be or is to be a starter, it also would help if he develops a change up.

I can't think of too many successful starting pitchers with 2 pitches... even when one of those pitches can approach the plate at over 100 mph.

He definitely needs an at least average third pitch. If not a changeup, a two-seamer would go nicely against RH batters.

Natty Redlocks
06-11-2011, 02:19 PM
yep...it takes time to develop someone as raw as him. Had the Reds done the right thing and left him in the starters role last year at AAA we might be seeing the fruits of that now, but instead we don't know when we will see a return on our investment due to poor handleing by Walt and Bob...

Hell, the Reds should just hire you, Mr. Baseball. All their problems would be fixed instantly.

NatiWolfpack24
06-11-2011, 06:32 PM
Another gem from BRM. LMAO!

Krawhitham
06-11-2011, 07:52 PM
I am still baffled at how the Reds continue to screw around with Mr. Chapman. It's clear he is not cut out to be a bullpen pitcher and yet they keep screwing around with him. The numbers just show he needs to be moved into the starting rotation. I would start it at where he is now at that is AA...

Down on the farm

The Cuban Misfire
Aroldis Chapman last night at AA Carolina
1.2 innings, 2 H, 2 BB, 2 R, 3 K, 1 WP
37 pithces/17 strikes

AA:
2 games: 0-1 19.29
2.1 innings, 5 H, 5 ER, 1 HR, 3 BB, 3 K, WP, balk, .455 BA
61 pitches/29 strikes
AAA:
3 games: 0-1 13.50
4.2 innings, 9 H, 7 ER, 2 BB, 8 K, .375 BA
85 pitches/59 strikes

Total rehab stats between AAA/AAA
5 games: 0-2 15.43
7 innings, 14 H, 12 ER, 5 BB, 11 K, .400 BA
146 pitches/88 strikes

only thing his numbers show right now is that he can not pitch.

He is the future closer
We already have one too many starters and after this season no closer

webbbj
06-11-2011, 08:09 PM
only thing his numbers show right now is that he can not pitch.

He is the future closer
We already have one too many starters and after this season no closer

you never have enough starters.

tobttr
06-11-2011, 09:10 PM
Doesn't much matter if you walk a guy when you're throwing 105 mph or 70 mph. Leave him in AA (or somewhere other than the Reds roster) until he throws strikes. This is starting to sound way too much like Steve Dalkowski (Last name may be misspelled).

bigredmechanism
06-12-2011, 12:24 AM
calm down OP the kid is young. misfire lol Okay.

lonewolf371
06-12-2011, 01:43 AM
If he wants to be or is to be a starter, it also would help if he develops a change up.

I can't think of too many successful starting pitchers with 2 pitches... even when one of those pitches can approach the plate at over 100 mph.
Michael Pineda doesn't seem to care about having a 3rd pitch, but overall I agree.

Seņor Rojo
06-12-2011, 03:20 AM
you never have enough starters.

Yep, more starters results in more trading leverage. Teams are always looking for starting pitching, so this works in the Reds favor. By having multiple starting pitchers, the front office can determine which starters they want to go with and then trade accordingly. Chapman is a wildcard in this scenario. Running him out there every 5th day to get pounded due to both his lack of control and limited number of pitches in his arsenal (get it?) is not going to make him a better pitcher. No control results in poor pitching, whether in be in the bullpen or from the first inning.

webbbj
06-12-2011, 12:26 PM
im in the camp that he should be a starter. if he fails at that its gonna be easier to convert back to reliever than the other way around.

Vottomatic
06-12-2011, 05:24 PM
I'm in the camp that he should be trade bait. By the time this kid develops some control his contract will be up. If he develops any control.