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Benihana
06-22-2011, 12:33 PM
Not sure if this belongs here or in the Minor League Forum, but borrowed from the SunDeck- who gets called up from AAA first?

Can be who it you think it will be or who you think it should be, just explain below.

(Bailey, LeCure and Chapman don't count)

cumberlandreds
06-22-2011, 12:46 PM
I voted last option. I just don't think they are going to bring anyone before the ASB uless there is an injury. I think Jockety will look at things during that time and make some decisions. It really wouldn't surprise me if Mesoraco is first. I think either Hernandez or Hanigan will get traded before the deadline.

CTA513
06-22-2011, 01:08 PM
I vote LeCure


Went with Willis since the Reds need pitching

RedsManRick
06-22-2011, 02:01 PM
The "we're happy with our options at SS" struck me as your classic "dreaded vote of confidence" for a coach. If you have to answer the question, it's a good sign there's a problem that needs to be addressed soon.

bucksfan2
06-22-2011, 02:07 PM
If this lackluster baseball continues I see the easiest move being to DFA Renteria and bring up Cozart. I don't see a move in the outfield, yet. I don't think they DFA Gomes so I don't see where an outfielder is going to be called up.

LoganBuck
06-22-2011, 03:12 PM
The "we're happy with our options at SS" struck me as your classic "dreaded vote of confidence" for a coach. If you have to answer the question, it's a good sign there's a problem that needs to be addressed soon.

If this was Facebook, I would like this so

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I(heart)Freel
06-22-2011, 03:27 PM
Someone on Twitter pointed out that Cozart was out of the Bats lineup today.

I smell an off day call-up tomorrow. Going with Cozie.

Rojo
06-22-2011, 03:30 PM
Cozart's AAA babip is bubbly but he only has tiny shoes to fill.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-22-2011, 03:51 PM
If this lackluster baseball continues I see the easiest move being to DFA Renteria and bring up Cozart. I don't see a move in the outfield, yet. I don't think they DFA Gomes so I don't see where an outfielder is going to be called up.

Lance McCallister was talking about Cozart on the radio yesterday, and he said he was talking to either a scout or someone connected with another team. And that person told Lance that the reluctance to promote Cozart might have to do with Renteria being a Jocketty guy and Cozy being a Krivsky guy. So any replacing Renteria with Cozart is admitting, by Jocketty, that your player isn't the answer.

Lance floated that theory on the air.

Rojo
06-22-2011, 03:53 PM
Lance floated that theory on the air.

Sounds like hoey. The only threat to Jocketty's job is losing, not Wayne Krivsky.

LoganBuck
06-22-2011, 03:59 PM
From Lance's Blog
"If you were at AAA what would you think you'd have to be hitting to get called up to this team?"--The Cowboy

bucksfan2
06-22-2011, 04:52 PM
Lance McCallister was talking about Cozart on the radio yesterday, and he said he was talking to either a scout or someone connected with another team. And that person told Lance that the reluctance to promote Cozart might have to do with Renteria being a Jocketty guy and Cozy being a Krivsky guy. So any replacing Renteria with Cozart is admitting, by Jocketty, that your player isn't the answer.

Lance floated that theory on the air.

I don't buy that for one second. IMO its something to garner an opinion on a talk radio show. Its the conspiracy theory in which you want to illicit strong opinions. Sticking along the same lines why was Leake sent to the minors earlier this season? He was a Jocketty guy who had done something very unique in baseball.

Reds/Flyers Fan
06-22-2011, 04:56 PM
I don't buy that for one second. IMO its something to garner an opinion on a talk radio show. Its the conspiracy theory in which you want to illicit strong opinions. Sticking along the same lines why was Leake sent to the minors earlier this season? He was a Jocketty guy who had done something very unique in baseball.

Well releasing Renteria is also admitting that you made a rather large $2.1 million mistake. This franchise can hardly afford to be handing out million-dollar bills like they're escort service fliers on the Las Vegas Strip.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 05:05 PM
A 2.1 Million dollar mistake is fine in my book, as long as it is corrected. I hope that's not the reason for a lack of a move.

Brutus
06-22-2011, 05:09 PM
I don't buy that for one second. IMO its something to garner an opinion on a talk radio show. Its the conspiracy theory in which you want to illicit strong opinions. Sticking along the same lines why was Leake sent to the minors earlier this season? He was a Jocketty guy who had done something very unique in baseball.

For the record, I don't believe it either. But it's not much of a conspiracy. Sounds like a perfectly normal type of ego that exists in all of us, especially general managers. That type of thinking is normal human behavior.

But I doubt that's the reason, personally. I think the Reds are just simply reluctant to admit defeat at the position or they simply aren't ready to trust Cozart enough to release or outright Renteria.

OldXOhio
06-22-2011, 05:13 PM
Well releasing Renteria is also admitting that you made a rather large $2.1 million mistake. This franchise can hardly afford to be handing out million-dollar bills like they're escort service fliers on the Las Vegas Strip.

Isn't this the sort of thing that got Krivsky fired?

Griffey012
06-22-2011, 05:19 PM
Cozart's AAA babip is bubbly but he only has tiny shoes to fill.

If you are riding a hot streak or hitting for a high average it is pretty much impossible to not have a higher than normal BABIP. Even with regression toward the mean he can't be a worse option than out current SS's. Hopefully we see him on board.

Rojo
06-22-2011, 05:37 PM
Even with regression toward the mean he can't be a worse option than out current SS's. Hopefully we see him on board.

Agreed. Thus the "tiny shoes" comment.

RedLegSuperStar
06-22-2011, 06:20 PM
My guess is Zack is with this team tomorrow. He was out of the lineup today and I have got to believe they are frustrated with Renteria and he is sent packing.

CrackerJack
06-22-2011, 06:33 PM
My guess is Zack is with this team tomorrow. He was out of the lineup today and I have got to believe they are frustrated with Renteria and he is sent packing.

Why are we so sure it wouldn't be Janish? Does he have options?

I could also see Dusty wanting to keep Renteria and breaking in Cozart rather slowly over time, because that's the way he rolls.

Just a thought.

RedLegSuperStar
06-22-2011, 06:37 PM
Why are we so sure it wouldn't be Janish? Does he have options?

I could also see Dusty wanting to keep Renteria and breaking in Cozart rather slowly over time, because that's the way he rolls.

Just a thought.

Well you have to take into consideration that Janish plays better defense. My speech to Janish is you had the oppertunity to prove yourself as an every day SS and we feel its time to give way to Cozart. Use Janish as a defensive replacement either at SS or better yet 3rd.

klw
06-22-2011, 06:45 PM
Why are we so sure it wouldn't be Janish? Does he have options?

I could also see Dusty wanting to keep Renteria and breaking in Cozart rather slowly over time, because that's the way he rolls.

Just a thought.

I saw earlier that Fay wrote that Janish has options but I don't remember where I saw it. It may have been in his chat.

Rojo
06-22-2011, 06:57 PM
If you release Renteria and Cozart doesn't work out?

I'd flip Janish and Cozart. If Cozart looks like he can handle the bigs, release Renteria and call up Janish for the back up glove.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 06:59 PM
Yeah, put me down for optioning Janish should Cozart get the call.

pahster
06-22-2011, 06:59 PM
If you release Renteria and Cozart doesn't work out?

I'd flip Janish and Cozart. If Cozart looks like he can handle the bigs, release Renteria and call up Janish for the back up glove.

If Cozart bombs, he'll still outplay Renteria, so the Reds would lose nothing. Renteria is hitting .222/.301/.248/.549 right now. Couple that with his atrocious defense and you have one of the worst players in all of baseball.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 07:01 PM
If Cozart bombs, he'll still outplay Renteria, so the Reds would lose nothing. Renteria is hitting .222/.301/.248/.549 right now. Couple that with his atrocious defense and you have one of the worst players in all of baseball.

I just wouldn't release Edgar until we are sure he is the 3rd best SS in the organization. Considering I am of the belief that Edgar and Paul are practically of same value from this point on, I'd wait to ship someone out permanently, until I was SURE it was the right move.

CrackerJack
06-22-2011, 07:30 PM
Well you have to take into consideration that Janish plays better defense. My speech to Janish is you had the oppertunity to prove yourself as an every day SS and we feel its time to give way to Cozart. Use Janish as a defensive replacement either at SS or better yet 3rd.

I agree by far that is the best thing to do, just wonder if Dusty's sway may change that, or is holding moves up a bit if nothing else (give "my guys" more time Walt).

But if Janish has options and he accepts a demotion, that would probably be the obvious move.

pahster
06-22-2011, 07:36 PM
I just wouldn't release Edgar until we are sure he is the 3rd best SS in the organization. Considering I am of the belief that Edgar and Paul are practically of same value from this point on, I'd wait to ship someone out permanently, until I was SURE it was the right move.

Renteria's OPS is .017 higher than Janish's. Janish clearly is lacking in offensive talent, but at least he can field.

Kc61
06-22-2011, 07:37 PM
I think Cozart will be up Friday and Renteria will be designated for assignment. Just like Fay says in his blog.

Dusty plays young guys plenty and he won't insist on Renteria. I don't believe they'll drop Janish.

I think Cozart will help but the key move would be a trade of some AAA talent for a left fielder.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 07:38 PM
Renteria's OPS is .017 higher than Janish's. Janish clearly is lacking in offensive talent, but at least he can field.

I know. And I'm not gonna fight tooth and nail over it. Just pointing out my reasoning.

Kc61
06-22-2011, 07:44 PM
I know. And I'm not gonna fight tooth and nail over it. Just pointing out my reasoning.

Reds would be very foolish to send Janish down. I know he has some errors but he is a superior fielder at several positions. He would be a good bench player IMO, filling in on the infield.

I wouldn't worry about the third SS right now. Worse comes to worse, Valaika can back up at SS.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 07:45 PM
Reds would be very foolish to send Janish down. I know he has some errors but he is a superior fielder at several positions. He would be a good bench player IMO, filling in on the infield.

I wouldn't worry about the third SS right now. Worse comes to worse, Valaika can back up at SS.

Whether its DFA Edgar or optioning Paul, its hard for me to consider either decision foolish. More like picking your favorite poison.

Rojo
06-22-2011, 07:54 PM
If Cozart bombs, he'll still outplay Renteria, so the Reds would lose nothing.

Renteria will not likely be this bad for the rest of the year. Cozart might be completely overmatched.

I don't think it matters that much but given that Janish has the option, that's what I'd do.

mth123
06-22-2011, 07:59 PM
Going against the grain here. I think if Cozart were coming up he'd be here already. With a trip to DH land looming, the offense continuing to struggle and the opponents 2 of the few teams in need of a long term answer at 1B, I'm going with Alonso for both the spark and the showcase.

reds44
06-22-2011, 08:03 PM
Renteria will not likely be this bad for the rest of the year. Cozart might be completely overmatched.

I don't think it matters that much but given that Janish has the option, that's what I'd do.
He OPS'd .635 2 years ago and he was 2 years younger then.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 08:04 PM
He OPS'd .635 2 years ago and he was 2 years younger then.

Injury riddled year. He's old I know, but just putting that season in perspective.

reds44
06-22-2011, 08:07 PM
Injury riddled year. He's old I know, but just putting that season in perspective.
He OPS'd .699 3 years ago and he was three years younger then.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 08:12 PM
He OPS'd .699 3 years ago and he was three years younger then.

Not impressive, I know. But I expect him to improve on his numbers this season so far. I don't think he is good.

reds44
06-22-2011, 08:13 PM
Not impressive, I know. But I expect him to improve on his numbers this season so far. I don't think he is good.
I think he gon get cut.

kaldaniels
06-22-2011, 08:14 PM
I think he gon get cut.

Very possible. Not what I'd do. But its about a coin flip as to the correct decision for me.

reds44
06-22-2011, 08:16 PM
Very possible. Not what I'd do. But its about a coin flip as to the correct decision for me.
Honestly, it depends how Cozart's defense is. Obviously the organization knows it better than us, but if he's good with the glove I could see the argument of keeping Edgar and sending Janish to AAA.

I'm just afraid if they do that Dusty will play Renteria over Cozart. Sometimes you need to protect Dusty from himself.

Rojo
06-23-2011, 01:02 PM
I'm just afraid if they do that Dusty will play Renteria over Cozart. Sometimes you need to protect Dusty from himself.

Like kaldaniels, it's coin flip for me too but this is a good point.

Benihana
06-24-2011, 10:00 AM
Pretty surprising that it's Friday morning and we still have no idea who is coming up today. We do know there are at least 2 spots free on the 40-man, and Horst has been sent to Louisville...

WebScorpion
06-26-2011, 11:52 AM
Well you have to take into consideration that Janish plays better defense. My speech to Janish is you had the oppertunity to prove yourself as an every day SS and we feel its time to give way to Cozart. Use Janish as a defensive replacement either at SS or better yet 3rd.This seems like the right move for a team that needs their pitching and defense to perform every day. Janish (and his arm) plays a superior third base as well as shortstop. He's a perfect sub to give Rolen a breather in any game where we're trying to maintain a lead and he can stand in for Cozart whenever Cozie needs a little cage time to work through a slump as young players often do. Renteria really has no place on this team. This just seems like the natural progression of this Reds team. ...That and Matt Kemp in left field could complete this group. ;)