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NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 07:42 PM
Check out my most recent blog post and tell me what you think here on Redszone!

http://redscheatsheet.blogspot.com/2011/06/ludwick-acquisition-needs-to-happen.html

Thanks fellow Redszoners

Mutaman
06-26-2011, 08:17 PM
This team is getting eaten alive by mediocre right handed pitching -Ivan Nova, Freddy Garcia, Brandon Morrow. Are you seeing a pattern here?
.250 BA against Right handers, .300 against lefties.

They need another lefthanded bat. Ryan Ludwick would not be worth the investment.

Vottomatic
06-26-2011, 08:17 PM
I hope not. I prefer someone better like Matt Kemp.

Opposing pitchers will just pitch around Votto to get to Ludwick. They wouldn't do that with Kemp.

Vottomatic
06-26-2011, 08:18 PM
This team is getting eaten alive by mediocre right handed pitching -Ivan Nova, Freddy Garcia, Brandon Morrow. Are you seeing a pattern here?
.250 BA against Right handers, .300 against lefties.

They need another lefthanded bat. Ryan Ludwick would not be worth the investment.

The problem is that Rolen is a shell of his former self. Stubbs K's too much. Janish can't hit. Gomes has struggled badly.

This team needs a serious power hitting right handed hitter behind Votto.

MATT KEMP PLEASE.

Mutaman
06-26-2011, 08:25 PM
The problem is that Rolen is a shell of his former self. Stubbs K's too much. Janish can't hit. Gomes has struggled badly.

This team needs a serious power hitting right handed hitter behind Votto.

MATT KEMP PLEASE.

That problem could be solved if Stubbs and Gomes were strickly platooned. Rather than throwing out pie in the sky ideas that are never going to happen, or aren't worth the investment, lets bring up some left handed hitters from Louisville and start playing the percentages. Help may be just a phone call away.

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 08:42 PM
Kemp would cost 5x as much as Ludwick and will also be a free agent next year that we can not afford. So we'd trade a ton more, and only get the same amount of time from the player.

BluegrassRedleg
06-26-2011, 08:58 PM
I'm not buying that they need another LH bat. RH vs RH is simply not a big issue. Never has been in baseball. I would chalk those stats more up to circumstance in this case.

Ludwick would help, IMO. How much though? That's the big question. If this team makes a move, it needs to be for a big difference-maker.

R_Webb18
06-26-2011, 09:03 PM
ludwick is gomes of 2010

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 09:14 PM
ludwick is gomes of 2010

What do you mean by that?

R_Webb18
06-26-2011, 09:17 PM
What do you mean by that?

look at the numbers there the same player

webbbj
06-26-2011, 09:24 PM
Kemp would cost 5x as much as Ludwick and will also be a free agent next year that we can not afford. So we'd trade a ton more, and only get the same amount of time from the player.

ludwick sucks. we already have 3-4 guys btw minors and majors that can do what ludwick does or better.

if were gonna make a move it better be for a real difference maker like kemp, eithier, reyes, hardy.

Ethier and kemp are pretty much the only outfield bats id wanna trade for as they are clear improvements. the reds can improve LF by just dropping lewis playing heisy more, bring up sappelt or hermedia, and gomes can be a PH bat.

SS is dead position with no production that a guy like hardy could make a huge difference and not cost too much.

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 09:24 PM
look at the numbers there the same player

That's true, but you're comparing one of Gomes' best years with Ludwick's worst year since '07.

R_Webb18
06-26-2011, 09:25 PM
That's true, but you're comparing one of Gomes' best years with Ludwick's worst year since '07.

every1 hated gomes last year.

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 09:27 PM
every1 hated gomes last year.

Not at the beginning of the year, but it's argueably his 2nd best season as a major leaguer..Ludwick had over 200rbi in 2 yr...Gomes has 200 over his last 5 or 6 yrs.

R_Webb18
06-26-2011, 09:32 PM
Not at the beginning of the year, but it's argueably his 2nd best season as a major leaguer..Ludwick had over 200rbi in 2 yr...Gomes has 200 over his last 5 or 6 yrs.

he lucked out in 2008. nothing shows he can do it again

R_Webb18
06-26-2011, 09:36 PM
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NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 09:39 PM
he lucked out in 2008. nothing shows he can do it again

Not sure if you read the article or not, but it seems to me that it's fairly obvious that Ludwick performs better when protected by a guy like Pujols, and we have Votto so why not acquire him and throw him in there! I think it's great news that Ludwick isn't performing well in Petco and in SD's lineup because he could be had cheaper, and he would instantly improve at GABP and with better players around him. He'll have better pitches to hit and a smaller park to hit them in.

Redeye fly
06-26-2011, 09:51 PM
This team is getting eaten alive by mediocre right handed pitching -Ivan Nova, Freddy Garcia, Brandon Morrow. Are you seeing a pattern here?
.250 BA against Right handers, .300 against lefties.

They need another lefthanded bat. Ryan Ludwick would not be worth the investment.


I'd say another bat or two period, and it doesn't necessarily matter whether they swing lefthanded or right handed.

I mean the best hitter (Votto) hits better vs. lefthanders average wise than he does right handers this year. Jay Bruce has done the same thing. So you've kind of got a reverse split of sorts going on anyway with your two best hitters thus far.

webbbj
06-26-2011, 10:00 PM
Not sure if you read the article or not, but it seems to me that it's fairly obvious that Ludwick performs better when protected by a guy like Pujols, and we have Votto so why not acquire him and throw him in there! I think it's great news that Ludwick isn't performing well in Petco and in SD's lineup because he could be had cheaper, and he would instantly improve at GABP and with better players around him. He'll have better pitches to hit and a smaller park to hit them in.

he had adrian gonzalez with him last year.

and its not like hes gonna be protected by votto he will be batting in the 5-7 hole.

heisey can give the reds the same or better production than ludwick aswell as probably sappelt or hermedia.

if the reds arent gonna go after kemp or ethier they should focus on upgrading SS where there is not as clear of an answer

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 10:08 PM
he had adrian gonzalez with him last year.

and its not like hes gonna be protected by votto he will be batting in the 5-7 hole.

heisey can give the reds the same or better production than ludwick aswell as probably sappelt or hermedia.

if the reds arent gonna go after kemp or ethier they should focus on upgrading SS where there is not as clear of an answer

Ludwick could fit in anywhere from 2-5 and be effective, and also you gotta consider the ball park...103 of Ludwick's 113 home runs have been to left or center field..he would kill it in and already has 9 hr in it.

Heisey/Hermida/Sappelt all are decent options, but wouldn't you rather have something consistent and a veteran that has been there? I love Heisey's D and speed and decent bat, but LF may be the only position we can afford an upgrade at IMO. We'd have to trade the farm to get a decent upgrade at SP or SS imo...I still need to look around for some shortstops but no way we get Reyes.

Redeye fly
06-26-2011, 10:11 PM
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Ludwick also spends a good portion of his time in the 3 most pitcher friendly parks in the National League in San Diego, San Francisco, and Los Angeles. He does get to hit in Colorado and Arizona too. Put him in the National League Central and especially with GABP as his home park and the numbers would go up... particularly the home run numbers.

I'm not saying get him or don't get him. He's not a great hitter. But he would be a fairly affordable source of power this year. The down side of course is he's almost 33 and would possibly be a rental player. But if it improves the club and is the best deal, or only deal out there, you have to make it.

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 10:13 PM
The down side of course is he's almost 33 and would possibly be a rental player. But if it improves the club and is the best deal, or only deal out there, you have to make it.

Yes, that is a negative, but I'd much rather pay for a rental of Ludwick than a rental of Kemp!

Also, just ran into this http://www.prorumors.com/2011/06/rumors/phillies-mariners-and-reds-inquire-about-ryan-ludwick#.TgfmgOifjnI.twitter

webbbj
06-26-2011, 10:21 PM
Ludwick could fit in anywhere from 2-5 and be effective, and also you gotta consider the ball park...103 of Ludwick's 113 home runs have been to left or center field..he would kill it in and already has 9 hr in it.

Heisey/Hermida/Sappelt all are decent options, but wouldn't you rather have something consistent and a veteran that has been there? I love Heisey's D and speed and decent bat, but LF may be the only position we can afford an upgrade at IMO. We'd have to trade the farm to get a decent upgrade at SP or SS imo...I still need to look around for some shortstops but no way we get Reyes.

i would rather make a ludwick - ish type upgrade at SS where the position is dead. yes theres cozart but he has 0 MLB games. atleast i know i have heisey who has put up Ludwicky type numbers at the MLB.

Basically the gap btw ludwick and heisey is <<<<<<<<<the gap btw SS and someone we could bring in to improve it.

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 10:36 PM
i would rather make a ludwick - ish type upgrade at SS where the position is dead. yes theres cozart but he has 0 MLB games. atleast i know i have heisey who has put up Ludwicky type numbers at the MLB.

Basically the gap btw ludwick and heisey is <<<<<<<<<the gap btw SS and someone we could bring in to improve it.

Quick glance at top shortstops (just based on batting average) shows that the only that we could acquire for a reasonable price are guys like Jamey Carroll, and if we get lucky Yunel Escobar/Alexei Ramirez...no one else is a big enough upgrade to trade a prospect IMO. Reyes, Escobar, and Ramirez probably couldn't be had unless we traded a high end prospect or two. Carroll is having a great year, didn't realize that - he could be a decent pick up I wouldn't mind his .368 OBP down towards the bottom of the order. Not sure how good his D is, though. He is only making 1.8M as well. We could get Ludwick and Carroll.

webbbj
06-26-2011, 10:44 PM
my reason why i would rather upgrade SS still remains.

carroll, ramirez, escobar>>>>>>>>>>Janish/renteria

Ludwick>=heisey or heisey is >=ludwick

id imagine if we were to get ludwick heisy is about the asking price and they are just to close in production to want to do that trade.

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 10:51 PM
my reason why i would rather upgrade SS still remains.

carroll, ramirez, escobar>>>>>>>>>>Janish/renteria

Ludwick>=heisey or heisey is >=ludwick

id imagine if we were to get ludwick heisy is about the asking price and they are just to close in production to want to do that trade.

It all depends on the asking price for Ludwick IMO, I definitely wouldn't overpay - but I feel like SD is trying to get rid of him for whatever because it would lower their payroll a decent amount and it's not like he's killin' it out there..who knows. We should definitely inquire, and I'd try for Carroll as well if we could. Ramirez/Escobar would cost a decent amount but I'd trade for them if it wasn't a bad deal.

R_Webb18
06-26-2011, 10:57 PM
than a rental of Kemp!



you don't we keep him for next year?

NorrisHopper30
06-26-2011, 11:01 PM
you don't we keep him for next year?

Isn't he a free agent after this yr?

R_Webb18
06-26-2011, 11:04 PM
Arb Eligible: 2012, Free Agent: 2013

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kempma01.shtml