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brm7675
06-29-2011, 04:49 PM
At the midway point/81 games

2010: Reds 46-35....runs scored 391/runs allowed 351....differential +40

2011: Reds 41-40....runs scored 401/runs allowed 361....differential +40

Very interesting numbers...

mroby85
06-29-2011, 05:02 PM
They were luckier last year? lol

webbbj
06-29-2011, 05:53 PM
the schedule is tougher this year.

Vottomatic
06-29-2011, 06:41 PM
The Central Division was weaker last year, their interleague schedule is tougher, and they aren't rising to the occasion and playing better.

Reds
06-29-2011, 08:19 PM
the division is more balanced and the schedule front loaded with difficult match-ups. Also lack of key hits and recent extra inning losses.

mroby85
06-29-2011, 11:24 PM
The Central Division was weaker last year, their interleague schedule is tougher, and they aren't rising to the occasion and playing better.

I initially thought this too, but it doesn't really explain the run differential being similar with the record not corresponding.

UCBrownsfan
06-29-2011, 11:39 PM
That Arthur Rhodes is missing.

The first half of the year, he locked down tight games.

roby
06-29-2011, 11:56 PM
That Arthur Rhodes is missing.

The first half of the year, he locked down tight games.

Big AMEN to that! I miss Arthur's consistency.

Spaxspore
06-30-2011, 01:25 AM
the reason we arnt way over 500... losing close ball games. The games we lose are usually 1 run games, while last year we won most close games. This year... not so much

DGullett35
06-30-2011, 06:26 AM
Losing the close ballgames and I also agree about missing Arthur. I said in some earlier posts that he is who we miss most. Instead of giving that million to Renteria the Redlegs should have gave that and a little more to Arthur

R_Webb18
06-30-2011, 08:29 AM
Losing the close ballgames and I also agree about missing Arthur. I said in some earlier posts that he is who we miss most. Instead of giving that million to Renteria the Redlegs should have gave that and a little more to Arthur

no

Chris Sabowned
06-30-2011, 10:42 AM
Losing the close ballgames and I also agree about missing Arthur. I said in some earlier posts that he is who we miss most. Instead of giving that million to Renteria the Redlegs should have gave that and a little more to Arthur

Rhodes has been pretty mediocre this year against the Rangers, I'd say we made the right move. Outside of a slow start from Massett, our bullpen has been pretty good this year.

We were slightly lucky last year. We are slightly unlucky this year. If you look at our schedule in August and September you see it gets much easier. In August and September we get 30+ games against the Mets, Marlins, Cubs, Astros, and Pirates.

texasdave
06-30-2011, 11:11 AM
If you look at our schedule in August and September you see it gets much easier. In August and September we get 30+ games against the Mets, Marlins, Cubs, Astros, and Pirates.

I took a look ahead and it isn't all peaches and cream. We do have 28 games against those five opponents, however, 7 are home games and 21 are road games.
Among the four principals in contention - CIN/MILW/PITT/STL - the Reds are the only team that has more road games in the final two months than home games.


TEAM HOME AWAY
CIN 24 30
MILW 28 25
PITT 30 26
STL 28 26

Grouse
06-30-2011, 01:59 PM
This team don't have as much grit as last years team. There is no stat for grit, But it does = wins and loses.

defender
06-30-2011, 04:46 PM
I think it says "Relax." The Reds are probably at least as good, and hopefully better than last year. In the first 20 games after game 81 last year, the Reds went 9-11. That includes the horrid series in Philly. If the Reds have a good stretch now, they will be right back on last years pace.

redssince75
06-30-2011, 06:27 PM
This team don't have as much grit as last years team. There is no stat for grit, But it does = wins and loses.

It's almost exactly the same team. Do the same people somehow lose 'grit' from year to year?

wlf WV
06-30-2011, 10:29 PM
It tells me it's not how many you score,it's when you score how many.The Reds have scored 8 or more runs 15 times,most in NL.
team - #times 8run or> - total runs
Reds _ 15 _ 141
Mets _ 13 _ 129
Cards _ 12 _ 110
The top 3 in NL.

tobttr
06-30-2011, 10:48 PM
It's almost exactly the same team. Do the same people somehow lose 'grit' from year to year?
Not necessarily, but they might (especially the younger guys) gain complacency.

webbbj
06-30-2011, 11:16 PM
This team don't have as much grit as last years team. There is no stat for grit, But it does = wins and loses.

the reds arent in 1st place now because the reds are purposely losing games because they are betting on the games.

cool i can make stuff up too.

Grouse
07-01-2011, 03:03 PM
It's almost exactly the same team. Do the same people somehow lose 'grit' from year to year?


All the time. Grit and determiation can leave a person, or a team overnight. Many factors can effect it, such as, fame, money, age, love, securty, drugs, ECT. ECT. . There are many examples of atheletes , policial leaders, and every day joes who lose there grit. ie Tiger Woods, David Duval, Ken Griffy Jr. . Then theres the ones who never lose it, ie Pete Rose, Payton Manning, Cal Ripken Ect.. You don't have to have it to be great, but I think it was a major factor in last year success for the reds.

Vottomatic
07-01-2011, 04:28 PM
It's almost exactly the same team. Do the same people somehow lose 'grit' from year to year?

The longer you use sandpaper, it loses it's grit. :D

Roush's socks
07-01-2011, 04:44 PM
The Reds are playing below their expected Pythagorean win/loss. That means either --

They have been unlucky

Or, they are losing close games, which is a result of bullpen failure, and not getting clutch hits. Say what you want, but last year I thought Orlando Cabrera was the player who brought a "never say die" attitude to the team. Everywhere he goes the team becomes a winner.

texasdave
07-01-2011, 04:58 PM
Well kiss my grit (goodbye)!

wlf WV
07-01-2011, 05:53 PM
It tells me it's not how many you score,it's when you score how many.The Reds have scored 8 or more runs 15 times,most in NL.
team - #times 8run or> - total runs
Reds _ 15 _ 141
Mets _ 13 _ 129
Cards _ 12 _ 110
The top 3 in NL.
Reds run total is bloated because of above numbers.Look at this:
runs scored - runs allowed - record
Giants 287 - 286 - 46-36
Reds 395 - 354 - 42-40
Reds run differential of 41 netted 4 less wins.Giant run differential of 1 netted 4 more wins.Pitching and hitting are both factors(the Reds have scored 141 runs in just 15 games)Subtract that from total runs=Reds 254 -opponents 251 runs in games scoring 8 runs or less(pretty even pitching it seems,except for blow outs) That's 35.6% of total runs scored in just 18.2% of games played.They actually lost 2 games in which they scored 8 runs or more making them 13-2 in those,subtracted from total W-L record,leaves Reds 29-38 when scoring 7 runs or less.

BluegrassRedleg
07-01-2011, 11:02 PM
To simplify things, it just seems like they've been finding ways to lose games this season that they found ways to win last year. They just don't have "it," whatever it is.

DocRed
07-01-2011, 11:06 PM
I think it says "Relax." The Reds are probably at least as good, and hopefully better than last year. In the first 20 games after game 81 last year, the Reds went 9-11. That includes the horrid series in Philly. If the Reds have a good stretch now, they will be right back on last years pace.

Your kidding me right??