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brm7675
06-29-2011, 08:46 PM
Here are the numbers for the players comparing last year at this point and this year...some very interesting numbers..

Votto:
2010: 332 PA, 19 HR, 57 RBI, 46 BB, 63 K, .314 BA, .416 OBP, .579 SLG, .994 OPS
2011: 361 PA, 11 HR, 50 RBI, 62 BB, 63 K, .316 BA, .440 OBP, .549 SLG, .944 OPS

Rolen:
2010: 298 PA, 17 HR, 56 RBI, 26 BB, 43 K, .302 BA, .366 OBP, .579 SLG, .942 OPS
2011: 217 PA, 4 HR, 32 RBI, 9 BB, 28 K, .252 BA, .290 OBP, .411 SLG, .701 OPS

Bruce
2010: 327 PA, 10 HR, 36 RBI, 35 BB, 72 K, .281 BA, .358 OBP, .472 SLG, .830 OPS
2011: 330 PA, 18 HR, 51 RBI, 31 BB, 75 K, .274 BA, .343 OBP, .510 SLG, .854 OPS

Stubbs
2010: 300 PA, 8 HR, 36 RBI, 28 BB, 85 K, .233 BA, .308 OBP, .380 SLG, .678 OPS
2011: 361 PA, 11 HR, 32 RBI, 31 BB, 109 K, .258 BA, .328 OBP, .411 SLG, .739 OPS

Phillips
2010: 361 PA, 10 HR, 27 RBI, 29 BB, 45 K, .309 BA, .369 OBP, .481 SLG, .850 OPS
2011: 348 PA, 6 HR, 43 RBI, 22 BB, 33 K, .298 BA, .351 OBP, .416 SLG, .767 OPS

Gomes
2010: 278 PA, 9 HR, 54 RBI, 18 BB, 65 K, .290 BA, .345 OBP, .486 SLG, .831 SLG
2011: 230 PA, 11 HR, 31 RBI, 33 BB, 62 K, .223 BA, .348 OBP, .441 SLG, .789 OPS

R_Webb18
06-29-2011, 09:16 PM
rolens homeruns

stubbs looks good besides the strikeouts

Reds
06-29-2011, 09:16 PM
Rolens numbers and Phillips RBI total stand out for me.

lidspinner
06-29-2011, 09:22 PM
That Rolen is getting older and needs to start taking a back seat to a younger option....not so much to get the younger guy at bats but to give Rolen the rest he needs to be worth while in August-September.......

I dont think Rolen is hurt, I think he is old and just needs more time for his body to heal.

CrosleyField
06-29-2011, 10:12 PM
Who plays in place of Rolen? Cairo? someone from AAA? Who needs to go?

DFA Renteria :thumbup:

texasdave
06-30-2011, 12:13 AM
That they line up so nicely?

HalKing
06-30-2011, 12:14 AM
I find 6 rather surprising... but I must confess that 4 always catches me by surprise:eek:

Roush's socks
06-30-2011, 01:51 AM
Rolen's 1st half last year was as good or better than Votto's 1st half this year. With a .942 OPS and 17 HR's at the half-way point, Rolen was hitting like an elite player, along with GG defense at 3B. Now he is just a shadow of that player.

Phillips 1st half last year was better than Bruce's 1st half this year.

All in all, not a lot of surprises. If Phillips continues to slip his future in Cincy is iffy.

DGullett35
06-30-2011, 07:30 AM
Good thing Phillips has been hot lately. What stands out to me is rolens dowturn. I didnt realize he had that many homers at this point last year. Should have put up the SS production from last year to this year. I'd like to see that

krm1580
06-30-2011, 01:16 PM
For me without question its Brandon Phillips. He is a good guy, the glove is still lethal and a month ago I was on board with making sure he gets resigned. After looking at his 2010/2011 number and going back further I am not sure. He is really trending the wrong direction.

Year HR SB SB%
2007 30 32 80%
2008 21 23 70%
2009 20 25 74%
2010 18 16 57%
2011 12* 8* 57% *Projected numbers for 2011 at current pace.

If the decline was due to a change in his game where he is more of an on-base guy I could understand, but he's not. His walk rates are down the last 3 years (7.0%, 6.8%, 6.5%).


The least surprising for me is Scott Rolen. Prior to the season my biggest concern was the "real" Scott Rolen was the 2010 post All-Star version which would leave a gaping hole in the #4 spot in the order. Without that type bat behind Votto the offense becomes much more dependant on the lumpy production of Bruce and Stubbs. The result has been a very inconsistent offense.

Hillsdale87
06-30-2011, 01:53 PM
I had forgotten what a great year Phillips was having at this point last season. I remembered that it was good, but those numbers are great.

It's strange that the Reds have actually scored more runs this year, even though nobody's numbers (outside of Stubbs) show dramatic improvement, and some guys are way down from last year.

The DARK
06-30-2011, 10:34 PM
Gomes, in spite of his struggles, has the third best OPS on the team, and is playing his best ever defense. He's a lot more valuable than he's seemed at times... though it may be heresy here on these boards, perhaps he should play a few games at cleanup while he's hot to take some pressure off of Bruce.

nux fan
06-30-2011, 11:45 PM
good teams dont hang on to old players too long, rolen should have been gone already

HalKing
07-01-2011, 12:53 AM
good teams dont hang on to old players too long, rolen should have been gone already

Sadly, I am just about to the point of agreement. Seems the sun is setting on Mr. Rolen. While his defense is still well above average, a .290 OBP is not going to cut the mustard

VottoFan54
07-01-2011, 02:43 AM
Votto:
2010: 332 PA, 19 HR, 57 RBI, 46 BB, 63 K, .314 BA, .416 OBP, .579 SLG, .994 OPS
2011: 361 PA, 11 HR, 50 RBI, 62 BB, 63 K, .316 BA, .440 OBP, .549 SLG, .944 OPS


Votto's 2011 OPS is not accurate when using the formula OBP + SLG = OPS. Otherwise great job with the stats. :thumbup:

The most suprising stats IMO are Rolens numbers and Votto's lack of power although he is making up for it by getting on base.

keeganbrick
07-02-2011, 01:06 PM
For me without question its Brandon Phillips. He is a good guy, the glove is still lethal and a month ago I was on board with making sure he gets resigned. After looking at his 2010/2011 number and going back further I am not sure. He is really trending the wrong direction.

Year HR SB SB%
2007 30 32 80%
2008 21 23 70%
2009 20 25 74%
2010 18 16 57%
2011 12* 8* 57% *Projected numbers for 2011 at current pace.

If the decline was due to a change in his game where he is more of an on-base guy I could understand, but he's not. His walk rates are down the last 3 years (7.0%, 6.8%, 6.5%).


The least surprising for me is Scott Rolen. Prior to the season my biggest concern was the "real" Scott Rolen was the 2010 post All-Star version which would leave a gaping hole in the #4 spot in the order. Without that type bat behind Votto the offense becomes much more dependant on the lumpy production of Bruce and Stubbs. The result has been a very inconsistent offense.
Phillips numbers are not down from last year besides his SB. He will have far more RBIs this year too batting in mainly the 2 hole. I could care less if he hits 5 less HRs from a few years ago is he is still driving in runs at this pace maintaining his avg. and defense. You pick up his option next year regardless and then see what kind of contract your looking at in 2013.

BluegrassRedleg
07-02-2011, 07:33 PM
good teams dont hang on to old players too long, rolen should have been gone already

A lot of clubs -- good ones included, like the NYY -- make that mistake. But I think the difference is, a smaller-market team like Cincinnati can't really afford it.