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corkedbat
07-01-2011, 12:22 AM
If they do go to two leagues with three, five-team divisions, that would mean at least one inter-league series at all times. If this is gonna be, it would seem to be a good time to standardize all rules.

Would you be extremely disappointed if they made the DH the standard rule or would you prefer tossing the MLBPA a bone and expand the rosters to 27?

corkedbat
07-01-2011, 12:27 AM
Is there any way to edit poll choices? :D

camisadelgolf
07-01-2011, 12:35 AM
I think the MLBPA would go on strike before they would let the DH rule get abolished.

cinreds21
07-01-2011, 12:39 AM
I personally like how the DH rule is currently. I may be one of the few, though.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-01-2011, 12:53 AM
I think the MLBPA would go on strike before they would let the DH rule get abolished.

Let them go on strike. Baseball's history and past are both squarely on the no-DH side. It's just a better game without it.

Do away with the DH and spread it among all the teams and you'll dilute it to the point where you'll have some teams with Fred Lewis-caliber DHs. I'd just as soon not steal away the strategy involved in the NL - not to mention the excitement when the pitcher does pull a hit or even HR out of nowhere - to watch a .235 hitting no-field 30-something-year-old hack slugger with two shoddy knees swing for the fences every time up.

And what's the next step after a universal DH? A double-DH where teams can substitute a slugger for both the pitcher and the weakest-hitting position player? Bud Selig, who is dying for something earth-shattering to be his legacy, better be really careful playing with fire on this one. The game is fine how it is (or, in the case of the AL, how it was).

Orenda
07-01-2011, 01:02 AM
Count me in as one who is tired of hearing about the supposed strategy of national league baseball. And by strategy I mean, a desire to give away outs. I've come to view the prevailing thought that the American League teams will somehow be at a disadvantage when they collide with the strategic wizards of the National League as a little amusing.

Caveat Emperor
07-01-2011, 01:50 AM
I hate the DH.

cincinnati chili
07-01-2011, 01:57 AM
I think the MLBPA would go on strike before they would let the DH rule get abolished.

The league will have to bargain for it, but it may not be a huge obstacle. For example, if the league agreed to go to 27-man rosters (60 additional players guaranteed to be earning pro-rata major league money), perhaps the union would agree to lose those 14 full time dh jobs . . . but in the alternative, they wouldn't necessary lose those jobs because the really powerful bats would find a way to play a position. [e.g. Edgar Martinez could have played first or even third for most of those years if he really had to, and he'd probably be in the Hall of Fame now]

I think a bigger obstacle will be fans of AL teams. While most people want to get rid of the DH, there are a lot of AL fans who don't.

RedsManRick
07-01-2011, 02:30 AM
I don't care that most pitchers suck at hitting. I know some people don't like it, but frankly, I like to watch pitchers hit. It's a reminder of just how freaking tough it is. It also gives the game more of a flow. Baseball is a game where you play both offense and defense. Pitchers who can hit add a different spin on things. And forcing the David Ortiz's of the world to have to field would make for more interesting roster decisions, greater value to defense as a choice to differentiate your team.

Big Klu
07-01-2011, 04:21 AM
I don't care that most pitchers suck at hitting. I know some people don't like it, but frankly, I like to watch pitchers hit. It's a reminder of just how freaking tough it is. It also gives the game more of a flow. Baseball is a game where you play both offense and defense. Pitchers who can hit add a different spin on things. And forcing the David Ortiz's of the world to have to field would make for more interesting roster decisions, greater value to defense as a choice to differentiate your team.

Case in point: The Red Sox moved a Gold-Glove caliber 1B (Adrian Gonzalez) to RF for the Philadelphia series so that they could play David Ortiz at 1B, thereby weakening themselves defensively at two positions.

reds1869
07-01-2011, 07:11 AM
The DH is an abomination that should be wiped from the face of the planet. Guess how I voted.

RedFanAlways1966
07-01-2011, 07:53 AM
The DH is an abomination that should be wiped from the face of the planet.

This.

RedLegsToday
07-01-2011, 09:32 AM
The DH is an abomination that should be wiped from the face of the planet. Guess how I voted.

Status quo? ;)

cumberlandreds
07-01-2011, 09:35 AM
They should abolish it. But it will never happen. Like others have said the MLBPA will never give this up.
I do think if MLB goes to two 15 team leagues they will have to do something. I don't think you can rotate it like it is now on an everyday basis. I'm afraid we will see the DH adopted for everyone at that point.

Roy Tucker
07-01-2011, 09:59 AM
Either abolish it or go to two-platoon baseball with offense and defense specialists.

cincinnati chili
07-01-2011, 10:01 AM
They should abolish it. But it will never happen. Like others have said the MLBPA will never give this up.
I do think if MLB goes to two 15 team leagues they will have to do something. I don't think you can rotate it like it is now on an everyday basis. I'm afraid we will see the DH adopted for everyone at that point.

My understanding is that there's too much opposition from too many fans for that to happen. I'd give very good odds that it will either stay the same or get abolished.

medford
07-01-2011, 10:07 AM
If I was king of the world, I'd do away with the DH, but my 1st priority over getting rid of the DH is an agreement that both the NL and the AL would play by the same set of rules (ie no DH or DH for all). I think its amongst the dumbest ideas in sports, that the biggest set of games each year (World series) your lineup that was built to play a significant majority of games one way is suddenly forced to play half of its games another way.

Why should Boston be punished for half of its WS games by practically forcing big Papi to the bench when in NL cities? Conversly, why should a team like Cinci be penalized in a WS game, where a guy like Yonder may have been playing DH all season if available isn't accustomed to that roll b/c he's playing down in AAA trying to learn the ropes of LF in hopes of winning a full time job w/ the big league club.

Ghosts of 1990
07-01-2011, 11:56 AM
I like it how it is and I hate change.

KronoRed
07-01-2011, 05:11 PM
Either abolish it or go to two-platoon baseball with offense and defense specialists.

Agreed.

thatcoolguy_22
07-04-2011, 02:35 AM
Count me in as one who is tired of hearing about the supposed strategy of national league baseball. And by strategy I mean, a desire to give away outs. I've come to view the prevailing thought that the American League teams will somehow be at a disadvantage when they collide with the strategic wizards of the National League as a little amusing.

This a thousand times over. More prospects and less volquez running bases.

WebScorpion
07-04-2011, 08:59 AM
Either abolish it or go to two-platoon baseball with offense and defense specialists.
Yes, that's the natural progression. Either abolish it or make baseball, like football ... 18-man teams with 9 offensive players and 9 defensive players. The players association should be solidly behind that idea with rosters expanding to 30-35 players. :( I'd prefer the former myself. ;)

RFS62
07-04-2011, 09:28 AM
The DH is the devil.

cincinnati chili
07-05-2011, 04:57 AM
I'd actually like kickers banned from the NFL while we're at it. Just institute a rule that whoever kicks a field goal must have been on the field for the prior play.

Scarcity is a lot more interesting. The people who like the DH are highly correlated with people who like to play poker with 3 different wild cards.

vaticanplum
07-05-2011, 02:38 PM
I think the NL and its fans will not stand for an institution of the DH, but I do think that the gap between the leagues will widen very slowly over time as to become increasingly insurmountable.

I guess I'm not in favor of the DH in theory, but at this point I couldn't really tell you why apart from tradition and what I think baseball is. A game doesn't necessarily evolve, but a sport and its place in society does. I do know that I don't want the NL to fall too far behind the AL over time, and AL pitching just has to work increasingly harder and slowly, slowly become better. I do think the NL is way more likely to adopt the DH someday than the AL is to ever abolish it.

I also think that television may ultimately prove the biggest deciding factor in this somehow. I don't know what baseball ratings are like right now, but if for some reason they ever spike, I think a universal DH is more likely. On the other hand, I can't really imagine Americans in this day and age spiking ratings for baseball games even longer than they are now (and length of games is my primary concern with the DH). If the DH is ever instituted across baseball, I think the umps have to crack down really hard on the amount of time pitchers are allowed per pitch.

westofyou
07-05-2011, 02:46 PM
I do think the NL is way more likely to adopt the DH someday than the AL is to ever abolish it.


Nope, can't see it.

Plus as for the AL becoming better over time, will they be better like they were in the 20's or better like they were in the 50's? Or will they be better like the NL was in the 70's and 80's?

The game swings all over the place, no telling which way it goes in the future.

vaticanplum
07-05-2011, 02:53 PM
Nope, can't see it.

Plus as for the AL becoming better over time, will they be better like they were in the 20's or better like they were in the 50's? Or will they be better like the NL was in the 70's and 80's?

The game swings all over the place, no telling which way it goes in the future.

You really think the AL will ever abolish the DH?

westofyou
07-05-2011, 02:58 PM
You really think the AL will ever abolish the DH?Before the NL adopts it yep.

NL has 35 years on the AL, they won't be following suit.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-05-2011, 03:09 PM
This a thousand times over. More prospects and less volquez running bases.

For every Volquez running the bases like Fausto Carmona, I give you Adam Dunn swinging for the fences and striking out 4 times a game.

I don't care to see that either.

vaticanplum
07-05-2011, 03:43 PM
Before the NL adopts it yep.

NL has 35 years on the AL, they won't be following suit.

Eh, agree to disagree. I just think times and public expectations have changed too much for the DH ever to go away. I can see it staying the way it is, though.

steig
07-05-2011, 03:46 PM
I would prefer to see the DH adopted for both leagues. I do not want to see strategy to end an inning with the pitcher or to have the pitcher lead off and inning. I don't like the idea of your pitcher running around the bases right before he heads back out to the mound. If baseball had the DH in both leagues we as Reds fans might not be so disappointed with the offensive performance of our current shortstops. It allows teams to have a defensive specialist someplace. It also helps teams with future players blocked by current starters. the Reds could have Alonso up and helping the team now or at least see if he will be able to hit big league pitching, a major plus with the future of Votto's contract.

Raisor
07-05-2011, 09:28 PM
I like the DH, but then I grew to love baseball while growing up in Seattle.