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Benihana
07-07-2011, 03:29 PM
Is out. Anyone care to post the Reds and/or PM me the Top 50 Names? :thumbup:

TIA

RedLegsToday
07-07-2011, 03:31 PM
I would guess Mes is on there, and that would be it. Maybe Grandal.

New Fever
07-07-2011, 03:38 PM
One Red:

15. Devin Mesoraco

HotCorner
07-07-2011, 03:38 PM
Surprised that Alonso did not make it.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-07-2011, 03:40 PM
Only one Red? Are we overvaluing our prospects?

The Cardinals have two - No. 7 and No. 18

http://ht.ly/5z8Jb

RedLegsToday
07-07-2011, 03:41 PM
One Red:

15. Devin Mesoraco

Me smart. :-)

I think Devin is being underrated here.

New Fever
07-07-2011, 03:47 PM
In the Insiders section, BA says that Daniel Corcino barely missed this list and he is a Top 100 prospect right now with the chance to be a Top 50 prospect by the end of the year. Track record is what kept him off.

fearofpopvol1
07-07-2011, 04:09 PM
I am a little surprised Alonso is not on the list. Grandal really should be on there too, although I would think he didn't miss by much.

dougdirt
07-07-2011, 04:14 PM
Not sure we are overvaluing our prospects..... Mesoraco is clearly our best guy and I don't think its too close at this point. I would put Alonso, Corcino and Grandal all inside a Top 100 as well, but probably not top 50. If Grandal has a strong showing in AA the second half, I think he could move into that Top 50. Corcino is in a similar area for me, especially if he earns a promotion and does well. I think Alonso is going to hover in that 60-100 area unless he goes insane in the second half rather than simply does what he has been doing.

RedsManRick
07-07-2011, 05:41 PM
Just a reminder, Joey Votto showed up on BA's top 50 just once, at #43, just ahead of James Loney, Josh Fields, and Ian Stewart.

Guys without an elite skill that really sets them apart are rarely treated as elite prospects. BA tends to favor high ceiling guys over high floors, and Grandal is the latter. That said, name 5 major league catchers who can catch a good game and hit .280/.350/.450. If he could do that, Grandal would be a multiple-time all-star.

dougdirt
07-07-2011, 05:46 PM
Just a reminder, Joey Votto showed up on BA's top 50 just once, at #43, just ahead of James Loney, Josh Fields, and Ian Stewart.

Guys without an elite skill that really sets them apart are rarely treated as elite prospects. BA tends to favor high ceiling guys over high floors, and Grandal is the latter. That said, name 5 major league catchers who can catch a good game and hit .280/.350/.450. If he could do that, Grandal would be a multiple-time all-star.

Votto was actually #43 and #44 in back to back years.

Brutus
07-07-2011, 08:11 PM
I don't think anyone is overvaluing guys like Alonso and Grandal. I really believe they deserve to be somewhere on this list.

Benihana
07-07-2011, 08:56 PM
Mildly surprised there hasn't been an appearance by the Dave Sappelt Fan Club on this thread. He's not a BA guy (unsexy pedigree and frame) but still...

Grandal, Alonso and Corcino all belong in the Top 100, and IMO are all borderline Top 50 guys at this point. Mez belongs in the top 10 on my list.

RedsManRick
07-07-2011, 10:27 PM
Votto was actually #43 and #44 in back to back years.

D'oh. Somehow I skipped 2008. Point still stands though. When Votto was 44, Josh Vitters was 43 and Jeff Clement was 42.

You don't need a high ranking to be a great pro. And being a top 50 guy is hardly a guarantee of success.

lollipopcurve
07-08-2011, 07:14 AM
Inevitably, when you look back at a list like this, there will be guffaws.

My pet peeve is the overrating of Cubs prospects (editor Jim Callis is a Cubs fan). I have a real hard time believing Brett Jackson and Matt Sczcur are better prospects than everybody the Reds have except Mesoraco.

bowles8
07-08-2011, 12:08 PM
1 Bryce Harper, of, Nationals
2 Mike Trout, of, Angels
3 Matt Moore, lhp, Rays
4 Julio Teheran, rhp, Braves
5 Manny Machado, ss, Orioles
6 Martin Perez, lhp, Rangers
7 Shelby Miller, rhp, Cardinals
8 Jesus Montero, c, Yankees
9 Jameson Taillon, rhp, Pirates
10 Brett Lawrie, 3b, Blue Jays
11 Jacob Turner, rhp, Tigers
12 Jurickson Profar, ss, Rangers
13 Manny Banuelos, lhp, Yankees
14 Drew Pomeranz, lhp, Indians
15 Devin Mesoraco, c, Reds
16 Arodys Vizcaino, rhp, Braves
17 Wil Myers, of, Royals
18 Carlos Martinez, rhp, Cardinals
19 Tyler Skaggs, lhp, Diamondbacks
20 Desmond Jennings, of, Rays
21 Dee Gordon, ss, Dodgers
22 Hak-Ju Lee, ss, Rays
23 Jake Odorizzi, rhp, Royals
24 Aaron Hicks, of, Twins
25 Leonys Martin, of, Rangers
26 Dellin Betances, rhp, Yankees
27 Mike Montgomery, lhp, Royals
28 Wilin Rosario, c, Rockies
29 Travis d'Arnaud, c, Blue Jays
30 Matt Harvey, rhp, Mets
31 Jason Kipnis, 2b, Indians
32 Brett Jackson, of, Cubs
33 Gary Brown, of, Giants
34 Robbie Erlin, lhp, Rangers
35 Zack Wheeler, rhp, Giants
36 Kyle Gibson, rhp, Twins
37 Anthony Ranaudo, rhp, Red Sox
38 Taijuan Walker, rhp, Mariners
39 Zach Lee, rhp, Dodgers
40 Jarrod Parker, rhp, Diamondbacks
41 Jonathan Singleton, of/1b, Phillies
42 Brad Peacock, rhp, Nationals
43 Jarred Cosart, rhp, Phillies
44 Randall Delgado, rhp, Braves
45 Anthony Gose, cf, Blue Jays
46 Nolan Arenado, 3b, Rockies
47 Allen Webster, rhp, Dodgers
48 Matt Szczur, of, Cubs
49 Jedd Gyorko, 3b, Padres
50 Paul Goldschmidt, 1b, Diamondbacks

OnBaseMachine
07-08-2011, 12:24 PM
Mike Trout got called up by the Angels today.

RedLegsToday
07-08-2011, 02:45 PM
50 Paul Goldschmidt, 1b, Diamondbacks

Only 1b on the list. He's OPS'ed 1.045, .990, and 1.065 the last 3 years. 23-year old in AA this year. If he's 50th, I can see why Yonder wouldn't be in the top 50. He's never hit that well.

RedLegsToday
07-08-2011, 02:51 PM
8 Jesus Montero, c, Yankees


How does he move up a place from his preseason Top 50 spot? Still young, but, he seems to have taken a big step back offensively. Do people see him staying at catcher?

dougdirt
07-08-2011, 03:02 PM
How does he move up a place from his preseason Top 50 spot? Still young, but, he seems to have taken a big step back offensively. Do people see him staying at catcher?

There are a few more people on board with him staying at catcher than before, but most still think there is no chance. As for him moving up... he didn't. He was the #3 prospect in baseball at the end of last season. So he technically fell 5 spots and even with that, three guys between #3 and #8 have graduated, so he got passed up by quite a few guys.

RedLegsToday
07-08-2011, 03:07 PM
Oh, I see what I did. Montero's milb.com page lists him as the 9th best prospect by mlb.com. Not BA. Sorry.

Brutus
07-08-2011, 03:16 PM
Mike Trout got called up by the Angels today.

I'm excited to see him. That kid is a great player. Speed, baserunning, gets on base and has power to boot.

BuckeyeRedleg
07-08-2011, 03:22 PM
I'm excited to see him. That kid is a great player. Speed, baserunning, gets on base and has power to boot.

Just looked up his info. Not even 20 yet. wow.

LoganBuck
07-08-2011, 03:23 PM
I'm excited to see him. That kid is a great player. Speed, baserunning, gets on base and has power to boot.

I have been debating the merits of adding Mike Trout to my fantasy team all day. I saw an excellent break down of players that made their MLB debuts at age 19 in the last 25 years. Only Edgar Renteria and Ken Griffey Jr had real helpful debuts in terms of WAR.

A nice little article here
http://angels.ocregister.com/2011/07/08/what-it-means-that-mike-trout-has-been-promoted/87383/

What do some of you expect from this young prodigy?

dougdirt
07-08-2011, 03:27 PM
I have been debating the merits of adding Mike Trout to my fantasy team all day. I saw an excellent break down of players that made their MLB debuts at age 19 in the last 25 years. Only Edgar Renteria and Ken Griffey Jr had real helpful debuts in terms of WAR.

A nice little article here
http://angels.ocregister.com/2011/07/08/what-it-means-that-mike-trout-has-been-promoted/87383/

What do some of you expect from this young prodigy?


From a fantasy perspective, I would pick him up if he is available, but probably wouldn't start him right away. He has a chance to provide you some valuable steals from here on forward. He could be a boom/bust type of guy this season (I expect him to be very good in his career, but this season, at his age, its so tough to say). Worth stashing on your bench and seeing what happens though.

Brutus
07-08-2011, 04:07 PM
I have been debating the merits of adding Mike Trout to my fantasy team all day. I saw an excellent break down of players that made their MLB debuts at age 19 in the last 25 years. Only Edgar Renteria and Ken Griffey Jr had real helpful debuts in terms of WAR.

A nice little article here
http://angels.ocregister.com/2011/07/08/what-it-means-that-mike-trout-has-been-promoted/87383/

What do some of you expect from this young prodigy?

I'll echo Doug's thoughts. I think he's worth the gamble. I think he's got enough upside he can help you this year, even if he doesn't light the world on fire immediately. He'll still be good for some steals and a decent average.

Brutus
07-08-2011, 04:08 PM
Just looked up his info. Not even 20 yet. wow.

Yessir. He's got the entire package.

texasdave
07-08-2011, 05:47 PM
This article says that Trout is only up for the weekend.


Make no mistake: the Angels are looking at Friday’s promotion of top prospect Mike Trout to the majors as a short-term fix. The plan is for the 19-year-old to help out this weekend and then return to the minors if the hamstring injury suffered by Peter Bourjos last night proves as minor as hoped.

fearofpopvol1
07-09-2011, 06:35 PM
Who will be better for their career....Trout or Harper? Both are similar ages and ranked 1 & 2.

nemesis
07-09-2011, 06:43 PM
Who will be better for their career....Trout or Harper? Both are similar ages and ranked 1 & 2.

I tell you what those two could become the Superstars of their respective leagues for a long long time.

As of now I would say Harper. Trout will be in the AL West which means playing in Seattle and Oakland ALOT. I think it will affect his SLG%... Harper will not be a base-stealer or GG OFer like Trout will be, but I could see him hitting .290 to .315 while eclipsing 30 HR on the regular and 40 to that magical season of 50 in his prime years.

dougdirt
07-10-2011, 03:47 AM
Who will be better for their career....Trout or Harper? Both are similar ages and ranked 1 & 2.

Give me Harper. Not going to think twice about it either.

Mike Trout is an incredible talent. Bryce Harper is truly a once in a generation type of guy.