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redsfan30
07-09-2011, 08:10 PM
At the tail end of Reds Live, Jim Day teased the fact that the Reds have three All Stars and may have a fourth named by the end of the night.

Any info?

Cordero? Cueto?

thatcoolguy_22
07-09-2011, 08:17 PM
I would guess Cordero. Would make sense with Cueto pitching tonight.

mth123
07-09-2011, 08:19 PM
Chipper to the DL. Rolen per another thread.

redsfan30
07-09-2011, 08:25 PM
Rolen?

Cool to see if that's the case but how could that be?

mth123
07-09-2011, 08:26 PM
Rolen?

Cool to see if that's the case but how could that be?

3B in the NL is a poor position.

Big Klu
07-09-2011, 09:13 PM
With Shane Victorino going on the DL, and Ryan Braun likely to be unavailable for the All-Star Game as well, will Pirates CF Andrew McCutchen get the call?

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-09-2011, 09:14 PM
Rolen has no business in that discussion whatsoever.

Big Klu
07-09-2011, 09:20 PM
Rolen has no business in that discussion whatsoever.

When there are no deserving candidates, the default position is usually lifetime achievement.

thatcoolguy_22
07-09-2011, 09:25 PM
With more attention paid to actually winning the game, I can understand this just for his glove alone. Throw in the lifetime achievement and it makes sense. i would prefer that he stayed home and rested up, but congrats are in order.

With that said... Play better in the 2nd half, Scotty.

klw
07-09-2011, 10:09 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/07/09/rolen-to-naked-an-all-star/


Here’s the official announcement:

“Major League Baseball announced today that third baseman Scott Rolen of the Cincinnati Reds will replace Chipper Jones of the Atlanta Braves on the National League’s active roster for the 82nd All-Star Game, to be played on Tuesday, July 12th at Chase Field in Phoenix.

“Jones, who made the N.L. All-Star team via the Player Ballot, has been placed on the disabled list. Rolen was the next highest ranked third baseman on the National League Player Ballot.

“This is the seventh All-Star berth of Rolen’s 16-year Major League career, having also represented the National League each year from 2002-2006 and in 2010. Entering play tonight, Rolen was batting .245 with 30 runs scored, five home runs and 35 RBI in 60 games. He has gone 3-for-8 (.375) in the four Midsummer Classics in which he has played. Rolen has batted .282 in his career with 308 home runs and 1,247 RBI and has earned eight Rawlings Gold Gloves.

Ron Madden
07-09-2011, 10:16 PM
Scott might be better off with 4 days rest.

RBA
07-09-2011, 10:37 PM
ALL-STAR!

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-P0SDiE_FYgI/TV718s5eZ6I/AAAAAAAAAUo/WSEAqvuynlg/s1600/superstar.jpg

RedsManRick
07-09-2011, 10:38 PM
When there are no deserving candidates, the default position is usually lifetime achievement.

I'm more of a career achievement guy -- you know, stars -- but if we're talking 2011 Ryan Roberts deserves to replace Chipper.

Regarding McCutchen, I'm just waiting for Bochy to take Aaron Rowand.

blumj
07-10-2011, 12:04 AM
FTR, McCutchen has actually been named to replace Braun, out with a calf strain.

marcshoe
07-10-2011, 01:29 AM
Good to see McCutcheon named. He deserved a spot anyway, and is one of my favorite non-Reds. We get Pittsburgh's cable station as well as Cincy's, and he's one guy I really like to watch.

Big Klu
07-10-2011, 01:36 AM
I'm more of a career achievement guy -- you know, stars -- but if we're talking 2011 Ryan Roberts deserves to replace Chipper.

I think there's a tattoo limit, and Yadi has already used it up.



Regarding McCutchen, I'm just waiting for Bochy to take Aaron Rowand.

If Uncle Charlie Manuel were the manager of the Giants, you could bank on it, because...you know..."I have to take my guy."

cumberlandreds
07-10-2011, 01:39 AM
Nearly every good 3rd baseman in the NL is either hurt or have spent significant time on the DL. Zimmerman just came back for the Nats. Sandoval the same for the Giants. Wright is out for the Mets. I think Tabata for the Pirates is on the DL too. Rolen got it mostly by default. But good for him. He's a good guy that's had an excellent career.

RedsManRick
07-10-2011, 02:02 PM
Nearly every good 3rd baseman in the NL is either hurt or have spent significant time on the DL. Zimmerman just came back for the Nats. Sandoval the same for the Giants. Wright is out for the Mets. I think Tabata for the Pirates is on the DL too. Rolen got it mostly by default. But good for him. He's a good guy that's had an excellent career.

Roberts: 304 PA, .257/.341/.430
Rolen: 253 PA, .244/.277/.403
Sandoval: 203 PA, .305/.345/.505
Zimmerman: 146 PA, .252/.342/.409

Perhaps taking Sandoval would have reeked of homerism, but it's not hard to make an argument that he would have been the best picked based on 2011 performance.

CTA513
07-10-2011, 02:10 PM
Did anyone see that it said Cardinals 3B Rolen on the bottom of ESPN last night?

:laugh:

757690
07-10-2011, 02:38 PM
Roberts: 304 PA, .257/.341/.430
Rolen: 253 PA, .244/.277/.403
Sandoval: 203 PA, .305/.345/.505
Zimmerman: 146 PA, .252/.342/.409

Perhaps taking Sandoval would have reeked of homerism, but it's not hard to make an argument that he would have been the best picked based on 2011 performance.

Thanks for the numbers. :thumbup:

However, this is one concept I've never understood, picking players based on their current first half numbers.

It's an All-Star game, not a whose having a good first half game. I don't want guys picked because they had a nice streak in the first half of the season, and that is all they have done in their career. To be an All-Star, there needs to be some level of comfidence that the player will continue his current level of play at least through the rest of the current season, IMO.

signalhome
07-10-2011, 04:02 PM
Roberts: 304 PA, .257/.341/.430
Rolen: 253 PA, .244/.277/.403
Sandoval: 203 PA, .305/.345/.505
Zimmerman: 146 PA, .252/.342/.409

Perhaps taking Sandoval would have reeked of homerism, but it's not hard to make an argument that he would have been the best picked based on 2011 performance.

What about Aramis Ramirez? 357 PA, .302/.350/.503. His .370 wOBA and 2.5 WAR are both #1 among qualified NL 3B.

fearofpopvol1
07-10-2011, 06:59 PM
Rolen is now the starting 3B in for Polanco, from the Reds twitter page.

Reds Scott Rolen replaces Placido Polanco as starting third baseman on NL @AllStarGame roster.

RedsManRick
07-10-2011, 07:02 PM
What about Aramis Ramirez? 357 PA, .302/.350/.503. His .370 wOBA and 2.5 WAR are both #1 among qualified NL 3B.

Good call, he's been dynamite. I don't know how he was overlooked.

However, I think the way it might work is that if a player was a players' pick and he begs out, he gets replaced by the next highest vote-getter. Bochy may not have had the option.

Homer Bailey
07-10-2011, 07:12 PM
Good call, he's been dynamite. I don't know how he was overlooked.

However, I think the way it might work is that if a player was a players' pick and he begs out, he gets replaced by the next highest vote-getter. Bochy may not have had the option.

I thought I heard he turned it down.

signalhome
07-10-2011, 07:50 PM
I thought I heard he turned it down.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/07/10/SPQA1K8S6R.DTL


Bochy had said on ESPN this morning that he would take Chicago third baseman Aramis Ramirez to fill one of the open infield spots, but Ramirez had planned a trip to his home in the Dominican Republic and was not interested.

Good call. Not sure when he was asked, but apparently he was asked at one point and declined. I would think Ramirez would have been one of the first people Bochy would have contacted.



However, I think the way it might work is that if a player was a players' pick and he begs out, he gets replaced by the next highest vote-getter. Bochy may not have had the option.

From the same article:


By rule, Scott Rolen will start over Sandoval because he will be the highest-ranking third baseman selected in the players' vote. But Bochy made it clear Sandoval will get significant playing time.

Looks like you were pretty much right. It seems like Bochy selects who makes it, but who actually starts among those chosen depends on who received the most player votes. That's how I read it, anyway.

Ron Madden
07-11-2011, 02:29 PM
All-Star game lineups: Rolen batting #9.

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/07/11/all-star-game-lineups-rolen-batting-no-9/

blumj
07-11-2011, 02:42 PM
Looks like you were pretty much right. It seems like Bochy selects who makes it, but who actually starts among those chosen depends on who received the most player votes. That's how I read it, anyway.

I don't think so. When players who were voted in by the fans or players drop out, they're automatically replaced by whoever's next in the player's vote. If it's a starting position player being replaced, whoever finished highest in the voting at that position becomes the starter. Bochy and Washington only get to choose their original picks and any replacements for them. This is how they avoid rosters full of players on the managers' teams, but wind up naming a lot of all stars who they knew already were not going to be available to play.