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MWM
07-10-2011, 01:31 PM
Anyone else watch this game? I've not been so angry watching a sporting match in a long time.

Roy Tucker
07-10-2011, 01:44 PM
Yeah, between the red card foul in the box (which was pretty shaky) to the unconscienable yellow for Solo for moving on the PK (royally screwed) to the uncalled offsides on the Brazil OT goal, some really bad stuff is going on.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:00 PM
Wow. The US ties it in extra time in OT.

WMR
07-10-2011, 02:01 PM
omg

VottoFan54
07-10-2011, 02:02 PM
AMAZING GOAL! :clap:

MWM
07-10-2011, 02:05 PM
Wow!!!

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:08 PM
1-0 USA on Penalty kicks

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:08 PM
1-1

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:09 PM
2-1 USA

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:10 PM
2-2

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:10 PM
3-2 USA

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:11 PM
Save by Solo.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:12 PM
4-2 USA

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:13 PM
4-3 USA.

Reds Fanatic
07-10-2011, 02:13 PM
US wins it. Amazing comeback with all the horrible calls that went against them today.

WMR
07-10-2011, 02:15 PM
Karma!!!

WMR
07-10-2011, 02:15 PM
I hope those Brazilian girls cry. :lol:

Roy Tucker
07-10-2011, 02:16 PM
Wow. That was really something.

Tony Cloninger
07-10-2011, 02:22 PM
US got lucky on the own goal but then got jobbed on that penalty inside the box....the call on the penalty kick. They certainly id not deserve to lose this game. Great comeback.

MWM
07-10-2011, 02:22 PM
Wow!!!! Just unreal! What an amazing match. I can't believe how on the edge of my seat I was. That was every bit as exciting as any Men's match I've watched.

I think I'm in love with Hope Solo!!! :evil:

Tony Cloninger
07-10-2011, 02:24 PM
Wow!!!! Just unreal! What an amazing match. I can't believe how on the edge of my seat I was. That was every bit as exciting as any Men's match I've watched.

I think I'm in love with Hope Solo!!! :evil:

Oh yeah....Hope is hot and she does not back down from anything.

Oxilon
07-10-2011, 02:25 PM
Amazing game. The U.S. women's team had so much more endurance than Brazil's team, and it showed when the US was down a player and still controlled most of the game. Anybody else surprised when the ref didn't call offsides on Marta's (amazing) goal? :rolleyes:

Tony Cloninger
07-10-2011, 02:34 PM
That offsides while it could have been called was negligible in the outcome of how the goal was made. It was completely away from the play.

They got screwed on the Marta foul for sure though. Diving like Renaldo there.

reds1869
07-10-2011, 05:32 PM
USA! USA! USA!

At least one team I was cheering for won today. What an amazing finish.

ervinsm84
07-10-2011, 06:39 PM
Brazilians Waxed!

Yes I couldnt resist

puca
07-10-2011, 11:19 PM
That offsides while it could have been called was negligible in the outcome of how the goal was made. It was completely away from the play.

They got screwed on the Marta foul for sure though. Diving like Renaldo there.

I have to disagree with you about the offsides. I'm pretty sure the offsides player was the one that made the entry pass to Marta. She was totally involved in the play.

NorrisHopper30
07-10-2011, 11:30 PM
Alex Morgan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope Solo

bucksfan2
07-11-2011, 08:58 AM
I flipped on the game just as OT had ended and the shootouts were about to begin. I kept waiting for them to show highlights of how the US scored the goal but they didn't show them. When they finally did, holy crap what a cross that was! To me that was the type of play you see in mens soccer. The may have been the most perfect setup I have ever seen from that distance and at that level of competition.

Back to the shootouts. I thought the tone was set early when the Brazillian GK was jumping out of the box in order to stop the shot. When the US got a retry and nailed it I thought they were going to win. It was odd seeing Solo guess and guess wrong and not even make a fake dive. The stop she made was fantastic and the announcers were pretty much calling that stop. They said if your going to stop one this will be the one. I also thought the Americans hit all their shots pretty much perfectly. IIRC every shot the GK guess the right direction but the US put them in the perfect spot.

Roy Tucker
07-11-2011, 09:49 AM
I know I scare the pee out of my napping wife and napping dog when the US scored that OT goal.

I had been ranting big time to my daughter about how bad the US had gotten screwed and how this was the earliest they'd exited the WC. Right in the middle of my rant, the US scores and Lizzy and I both go "Whhhoooaaa!!!". The dog jumped up like she'd been hit by lightning and the spousal unit gives us the evil eye for waking her up.

I thought it was poetic justice that the OT got extended extra-extra time when the Brazilian Erika fell down like she was shot with nobody around and then acted like she was next to death. And then popped off the stretcher like nothing was wrong when she got carted off. That little set of histrionics gave the US the extra 30-60 seconds they needed. Hah!

Brazil really blew that match. Playing 11 on 10 with the speed and ball skills the Brazilians had, they should have gone for the kill and put another goal or 2 on the US. Instead, they played an oddly passive game and were happy with the 1 goal lead.

MWM
07-11-2011, 01:48 PM
I've watched Women's soccer before, but I don't remember them being this good (probably faulty memory on my part). But I was incredibly impressed at the skill level of these women. They don't have the size or speed as the men, but the creativity and ball skills were just about as good. Those women can really play! I'm looking forward to Wednesday.

WMR
07-17-2011, 04:40 PM
Very poor defending on that goal allowed to Japan. Play to the outside, not across your goal, defending 101.

WMR
07-17-2011, 05:01 PM
Julie Foudy is so bad...

Nice goal by Wambach.

redhawkfish
07-17-2011, 05:05 PM
Agree on Foudy but Ian Darke is outstanding. Wow! Got lucky there.Rampone saves the day for the time being!


Julie Foudy is so bad...

Nice goal by Wambach.

redhawkfish
07-17-2011, 05:06 PM
Well crap!

paintmered
07-17-2011, 05:21 PM
Japan can win the world cup here.

paintmered
07-17-2011, 05:21 PM
And there it is. Japan wins.

TheBigLebowski
07-17-2011, 05:25 PM
The US has only itself to blame. Choking 101. And I am so tired of hearing about all the turmoil and trauma in Japan. It has nothing to do with soccer nor this result, nor will this make anyone's lives who were affected by it easier.

kaldaniels
07-17-2011, 05:40 PM
The US has only itself to blame. Choking 101. And I am so tired of hearing about all the turmoil and trauma in Japan. It has nothing to do with soccer nor this result, nor will this make anyone's lives who were affected by it easier.

It will give the people of Japan something to smile about. I rag on the media more than most, but I don't mind that angle on this story. In the grand scheme you are correct, it is meaningless. But it brought joy to many on the island today.

Tony Cloninger
07-17-2011, 05:48 PM
They look pretty happy to me. I am sure it does mean a little something?


Brazil just missed ALL of their penalty kicks against Paraguay and are out of Copa America. Talk about a bad day for penalty kicking.

reds1869
07-17-2011, 05:51 PM
Brazil just missed ALL of their penalty kicks against Paraguay and are out of Copa America. Talk about a bad day for penalty kicking.

If you get the chance pick up last month's issue of Four Four Two. There is an excellent cover feature called "The Death of Brazil" that covers the rapid decline of Brazilian soccer. Very interesting stuff.

TheBigLebowski
07-17-2011, 05:58 PM
It will give the people of Japan something to smile about. I rag on the media more than most, but I don't mind that angle on this story. In the grand scheme you are correct, it is meaningless. But it brought joy to many on the island today.

I hope it brought a few smiles to faces there and if we had to lose to someone, I am glad it was them. That being said, they laid it on so thick that you almost felt guilty for rooting for the Americans. I hate that kind of crap. Reminiscent of when the Saints won the Super Bowl. Katrina, Katrina, Katrina. Horrible, awful event that touched millions of lives and ruined plenty of those. But sports should never have been a part of that storyline.

reds1869
07-17-2011, 06:02 PM
I hope it brought a few smiles to faces there and if we had to lose to someone, I am glad it was them. That being said, they laid it on so thick that you almost felt guilty for rooting for the Americans. I hate that kind of crap. Reminiscent of when the Saints won the Super Bowl. Katrina, Katrina, Katrina. Horrible, awful event that touched millions of lives and ruined plenty of those. But sports should never have been a part of that storyline.

I have several very close friends in Japan. You can't possibly imagine what this has meant to them.

TheBigLebowski
07-17-2011, 06:06 PM
I have several very close friends in Japan. You can't possibly imagine what this has meant to them.

I can't possibly imagine suffering through that kind of disaster.

That being said, it's not what sports is supposed to be about. If it was, then we should just stop the MLB season right now and create some sort of relativistic misery index for every city that hosts a professional franchise and award the world series title to the city that scores the highest and distribute the pennants to the ones who score directly below.

I am happy for the Japanese people, I am. I am not saying they shouldn't be thrilled or celebrate this victory and I hope it makes everyone there very, very happy. I am just so tired of producers of sporting events playing up that angle.

Eric_the_Red
07-17-2011, 06:09 PM
Anyone who downplays the effect sports can have on a national psyche may be forgetting the returns of football and baseball following 9/11.

reds1869
07-17-2011, 06:10 PM
Anyone who downplays the effect sports can have on a national psyche may be forgetting the returns of football and baseball following 9/11.

Exactly. It is one of the things that makes sports great in my book.

Tony Cloninger
07-17-2011, 06:12 PM
If you get the chance pick up last month's issue of Four Four Two. There is an excellent cover feature called "The Death of Brazil" that covers the rapid decline of Brazilian soccer. Very interesting stuff.

As an Uruguayan.... that would be music to my ears....at least maybe a Yankees like run like they had from 1966-1973...or 1988-1992 maybe? I got fed up with Uruguay football after the disaster in 2002 WC vs Senegal and then the loss in Australia to miss out even going in 2006. This last year has been the best all up and down the whole Uruguayan soccer federation from WC through U-17 WC.

reds1869
07-17-2011, 06:17 PM
As an Uruguayan.... that would be music to my ears....at least maybe a Yankees like run like they had from 1966-1973...or 1988-1992 maybe? I got fed up with Uruguay football after the disaster in 2002 WC vs Senegal and then the loss in Australia to miss out even going in 2006. This last year has been the best all up and down the whole Uruguayan soccer federation from WC through U-17 WC.

Somehow I didn't realize you are Uruguayan. Have you read El futbol a sol y sombra by Eduardo Galeano? It is one of my all time favorite sports books.

TheBigLebowski
07-17-2011, 06:23 PM
Anyone who downplays the effect sports can have on a national psyche may be forgetting the returns of football and baseball following 9/11.

But you're referring to sports that were played domestically. Everyone in America suffered due to the effects of 9/11 - clearly the New Yorkers suffered more, but we all did. Every American's lives changed immeasurably that day. I think your point is that the return of football and baseball lifted everyone's spirits, and that point I will not and can not argue. It represented a return to the lifestyle to which we were all accustomed, but the results of said games were wholly irrelevant, unless we subscribe to the theory I posited above - the relativistic misery index. If so, we were all supposed to be rooting for the New York franchises then.

I know that sports, in and of themselves, can be a worthwhile and oftentimes satisfying distraction from problems. But comparing the way getting back to playing sports after 9/11 lifted our spirits and the phenomenon of producers/networks playing up tragedies to engender support for one team over another is just trite and misplaced. God forbid another earthquake hit the San Francisco area near the San Andreas Fault in a few weeks....do we simply all lay down our ballcaps and collectively root for the Giants or pitch in, do what we can, physically or financially, to help them restore their way of life - celebrate when the Giants take the field again more than the result of the games they play. We all know Americans have done a great deal to assist the Japanese after this horrible tragedy and we continue to do so. We should not be made to feel guilty for rooting for our soccer team to beat theirs.

Tony Cloninger
07-17-2011, 06:35 PM
Somehow I didn't realize you are Uruguayan. Have you read El futbol a sol y sombra by Eduardo Galeano? It is one of my all time favorite sports books.

I never really bring it up except when it was the WC last year and last night in the game thread when i was at least half happy for the night.

No i have not....but I will have to check it out. Too much of the Uruguayan futbol is all living in the past (Just like it seems the teams i root for in baseball and football) ... but I will look it up on Amazon.

You would laugh at some of the Uruguay blogs...how they get on the Maestro....and his coaching decisions. Keeping the older guys around, not moving enough of the young blood in..... Using Midfielders as only defense and not being able to develop their own Xavi.... :laugh: Like that's easy to do.

kaldaniels
07-17-2011, 06:55 PM
But you're referring to sports that were played domestically. Everyone in America suffered due to the effects of 9/11 - clearly the New Yorkers suffered more, but we all did. Every American's lives changed immeasurably that day. I think your point is that the return of football and baseball lifted everyone's spirits, and that point I will not and can not argue. It represented a return to the lifestyle to which we were all accustomed, but the results of said games were wholly irrelevant, unless we subscribe to the theory I posited above - the relativistic misery index. If so, we were all supposed to be rooting for the New York franchises then.

I know that sports, in and of themselves, can be a worthwhile and oftentimes satisfying distraction from problems. But comparing the way getting back to playing sports after 9/11 lifted our spirits and the phenomenon of producers/networks playing up tragedies to engender support for one team over another is just trite and misplaced. God forbid another earthquake hit the San Francisco area near the San Andreas Fault in a few weeks....do we simply all lay down our ballcaps and collectively root for the Giants or pitch in, do what we can, physically or financially, to help them restore their way of life - celebrate when the Giants take the field again more than the result of the games they play. We all know Americans have done a great deal to assist the Japanese after this horrible tragedy and we continue to do so. We should not be made to feel guilty for rooting for our soccer team to beat theirs.

C'mon Big, you're better than this. We all make dumb posts off the top of our heads sometimes...no shame in saying, "whoops, I went too far".

Tony Cloninger
07-17-2011, 07:00 PM
I did not feel guilty rooting for the US........why would anyone do so? If anything....the broadcast was slanted for the US, which is understandable.

I also did not feel that bad when they lost beacuse it was nice to see Japan win and show that size don't mean nothing in futbol.

TheBigLebowski
07-17-2011, 08:35 PM
C'mon Big, you're better than this. We all make dumb posts off the top of our heads sometimes...no shame in saying, "whoops, I went too far".

Wait now....I am not offended that people disagree with me....it's basically my take that sports broadcasts are far too often slanted around catastrophes, sympathy, etc....I said I was happy that if we had to lose, it was to Japan...I think all the points I made were well-supported, even if you didn't agree with them, and I am glad that it lifts the spirits of the Japanese in a very hard, hard time. But I said nothing offensive nor "dumb," nor did I "go too far." I insulted no one, did not make light of the tragedy in Japan nor New Orleans. It's just my opinion and I can't apologize for having it.

IslandRed
07-17-2011, 09:06 PM
Very poor defending on that goal allowed to Japan. Play to the outside, not across your goal, defending 101.

Yeah. I never really played and my coaching-the-daughter career ended at U8, but even I know the "don't clear the ball across the face of your own net" rule.

Roy Tucker
07-17-2011, 11:01 PM
Japan played better that the US when they had to. US had lots of scoring chances that they didn't put away. And Japan isn't the kind of team you want to let to hang around. This isn't the Brazil game where the US got screwed. They just got beat.

One thing I'll say is that I loved how the game was played. No dives, no fake injuries, no witching at the ref. Cleanly and fairly played the way all games should be. Can't ask for more than that. Hats off to the Japanese team.

reds1869
07-17-2011, 11:33 PM
One thing I'll say is that I loved how the game was played. No dives, no fake injuries, no witching at the ref. Cleanly and fairly played the way all games should be. Can't ask for more than that. Hats off to the Japanese team.

Amen to that. Those two teams played the game the right way and their male counterparts in the next WC Final should take note.

TheBigLebowski
07-18-2011, 08:44 AM
Japan played better that the US when they had to. US had lots of scoring chances that they didn't put away. And Japan isn't the kind of team you want to let to hang around. This isn't the Brazil game where the US got screwed. They just got beat.

One thing I'll say is that I loved how the game was played. No dives, no fake injuries, no witching at the ref. Cleanly and fairly played the way all games should be. Can't ask for more than that. Hats off to the Japanese team.

Hear hear. I wish the men would play the game the same way.

Betterread
07-18-2011, 12:14 PM
Hear hear. I wish the men would play the game the same way.

The body block to stop Alex Morgan at the end of overtime was a very intelligent foul - and cynical to the core. A red card and loss of a player at that point with a few minutes left is a small sacrifice and the scouting on the US does not reveal an exception free kick specialist that would make a free kick from that distance a strong goal-scoring threat. To me it was clear that the japanese defender was not going to let Morgan get past her, with or without the ball. That's not the right way to play - but it helps the team.

TheBigLebowski
07-18-2011, 12:20 PM
The body block to stop Alex Morgan at the end of overtime was a very intelligent foul - and cynical to the core. A red card and loss of a player at that point with a few minutes left is a small sacrifice and the scouting on the US does not reveal an exception free kick specialist that would make a free kick from that distance a strong goal-scoring threat. To me it was clear that the japanese defender was not going to let Morgan get past her, with or without the ball. That's not the right way to play - but it helps the team.

Yeah, I considered that at the time...the red card really meant nothing - the offender was not going to take pk's and the game was going to be over after that free kick. I just can't make myself believe she made an intelligent decision to do that in the heat of the moment. She was beaten and she panicked.

Tony Cloninger
07-18-2011, 12:31 PM
Amen to that. Those two teams played the game the right way and their male counterparts in the next WC Final should take note.


So have you watched the Copa America much? Do you have a favorite club or country besides the US?

Betterread
07-18-2011, 12:36 PM
Yeah, I considered that at the time...the red card really meant nothing - the offender was not going to take pk's and the game was going to be over after that free kick. I just can't make myself believe she made an intelligent decision to do that in the heat of the moment. She was beaten and she panicked.

OF course I don't know what she was thinking - but it looked like she took the angle of the tackle to make sure Morgan would be taken down. The other reason I think it was intelligent was that she didn't try to "hit" Morgan (and potentially injure her) - she Slid so that she would block her progress. I give the defender credit for using the right technique - not a angry agressive tackle.
I wanted to see Morgan get a shot to win the game with the ball on her left foot - that would have been the perfect finish. Even if the US had won on penalties it would not have been the ideal way to win. You want to see a game winning goal - and Morgan (the best player on the field in my opinion) would have been a great game winner. Not Wambach or Solo. Their time is done - they are too caught up in trying to be everything Mia Hamm and Briana Scurry were. We need new heroes for this team and Alex Morgan is ready.

BuckeyeRed27
07-18-2011, 01:27 PM
Yeah, I considered that at the time...the red card really meant nothing - the offender was not going to take pk's and the game was going to be over after that free kick. I just can't make myself believe she made an intelligent decision to do that in the heat of the moment. She was beaten and she panicked.

That was the best red card since Luis Suarez's hand ball in the men's WC last year.

reds1869
07-18-2011, 03:29 PM
So have you watched the Copa America much? Do you have a favorite club or country besides the US?

I haven't had the chance to watch much Copa America except for highlights but the passion in the tournament is always exceptional. Because my family is mostly English I cheer for England when the US is not involved. My mother lived most of her childhood in Germany so I also like to see the Germans do well and feel the Bundesliga is currently the most exciting league in the world.

As for clubs I support Columbus Crew and Fulham (due mostly to Brian McBride's time there). I developed a soft spot for Bristol City during time spent in that area a few years ago. When I was a new fan with no local club I admit to having cheered for Arsenal; I have since seen the error of my ways though they do play beautiful football. My mother is a lifelong Bayern supporter so it always makes me happy to see them doing well.

Tony Cloninger
07-19-2011, 12:31 PM
I haven't had the chance to watch much Copa America except for highlights but the passion in the tournament is always exceptional. Because my family is mostly English I cheer for England when the US is not involved. My mother lived most of her childhood in Germany so I also like to see the Germans do well and feel the Bundesliga is currently the most exciting league in the world.

As for clubs I support Columbus Crew and Fulham (due mostly to Brian McBride's time there). I developed a soft spot for Bristol City during time spent in that area a few years ago. When I was a new fan with no local club I admit to having cheered for Arsenal; I have since seen the error of my ways though they do play beautiful football. My mother is a lifelong Bayern supporter so it always makes me happy to see them doing well.



The Germans. They deserve as much pub if not more than Brazil....but since they won w/o flair and were considered, in typical stereotype.....as the precise Germans while the Brazilians played "beautiful" they are overlooked, IMO.

I think Brazil is going through a down cycle like the late 70s' after Pele retired...... even Uruguay beat them 3-0 in the U-17's and while Uruguay can beat Brazil, in tournaments they always seem to fall short for a variety of reasons....the "In your head" factor being a primary one. The Germans meanwhile...continue to steamroll at almost all levels.

England = Argentina. I think there is some correlation there with their NT and their outcomes in the last 20 years.

Bundesliga...Great, underrated league...that is NOT losing money in Europe, like the others are.

My father tried out for and was in a reserve squad for 2 years at Penarol in the late 60's. Almost like a Taxi Squad type of deal. i think he played ina couple of clubs but nothing memorable.
No one remembers how good they used to be, but they are considered or were considered one of the best. So that is my favorite.
Of course, I follow all the Uruguayan players at Porto (Fucile, Pereira, Cebolla) and in Napoli (Cavani, Gargano)