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peteredwardrose
07-10-2011, 11:04 PM
what does this tell you? We have no relief pitching!
Cordero has blown 6 saves in the first half.
Brian Price is an Idiot!

DocRed
07-10-2011, 11:07 PM
Hmmm....is it really that bad? Hard to believe..

HitByPitch
07-10-2011, 11:11 PM
what does this tell you? We have no relief pitching!
Cordero has blown 6 saves in the first half.
Brian Price is an Idiot!

I didn't think the record was this bad either... To me this speaks of many problems, not necessarily the bull pen...not the least of which is a lack of clutch hitting. IMO

40YrRedsFan
07-10-2011, 11:14 PM
I think we are 13 - 21 in 1 run games...I know it's not 1-21

40YrRedsFan
07-10-2011, 11:16 PM
At 13-21 in 1 run games, still one of the worst 1 run game records in the league.

peteredwardrose
07-10-2011, 11:18 PM
I think we are 13 - 21 in 1 run games...I know it's not 1-21

i saw it on the telecast i may have been mistaken, i bet we have at least 15 blown leads.
I listened to how Brian Price wants strikes not wasted pitches even from relievers,that is dumb,we need to get people out.
I don't like him as a pitching coach.The starters look like a train wreck since he got here!

HitByPitch
07-10-2011, 11:19 PM
At 13-21 in 1 run games, still one of the worst 1 run game records in the league.

13-21 sounds right...agree that is still bad.

HitByPitch
07-10-2011, 11:24 PM
i saw it on the telecast i may have been mistaken, i bet we have at least 15 blown leads.
I listened to how Brian Price wants strikes not wasted pitches even from relievers,that is dumb,we need to get people out.
I don't like him as a pitching coach.The starters look like a train wreck since he got here!

Blown leads and blown saves are different. You can lose a lead because you are not hitting in the clutch and leaving guys on base. If you don't play add on when the opportunity is there leads will be lost.

peteredwardrose
07-11-2011, 04:58 AM
Blown leads and blown saves are different. You can lose a lead because you are not hitting in the clutch and leaving guys on base. If you don't play add on when the opportunity is there leads will be lost.

How do you blow a lead by not hitting?? LOL
If you have a lead in the bottom of the 9th more than likely you lose!
Our Bull pen sucks The Reds lead the league in runs scored!

Wow

Moosie52
07-11-2011, 09:03 AM
It's bad either way. What I hate the most is the bad defense at the end of close games. It's not all the fault of the relief pitchers.

HitByPitch
07-11-2011, 10:56 AM
How do you blow a lead by not hitting?? LOL
If you have a lead in the bottom of the 9th more than likely you lose!
Our Bull pen sucks The Reds lead the league in runs scored!

Wow

peter, seriously?? My point was that a blown lead is different than a blown save. If you score 2 runs in the top of the first and don't score the rest of the game chances are those 2 runs won't hold up the rest of the game. That would be a blown lead and not the fault of pitching but rather lack of hitting.

Who Dey Time
07-11-2011, 10:58 AM
i saw it on the telecast i may have been mistaken, i bet we have at least 15 blown leads.
I listened to how Brian Price wants strikes not wasted pitches even from relievers,that is dumb,we need to get people out.
I don't like him as a pitching coach.The starters look like a train wreck since he got here!

Right now the Reds have 12 blown saves which ranks tied for 7th most in the NL. The Brewers (14) and Cardinals (15) actually have more than Cincinnati.

The relief pitching, especially Cordero lately, has been frustratingly inconsistent. However, as another poster intelligently pointed out, the offense absolutely shares in the blame of these types of losses.

A couple of examples from the last week just off the top of my head:

Wednesday - 8 runs in first 5 innings, then nothing until the 13th.

Friday - 4 runs in the first three innings, only score in one inning the rest of the game.

Sunday - 3 runs in the first four innings, don't score for the remainder of the game.

Frankly, that has been the story of the season. Offense and pitching has been great at times, absolutely terrible at others. Pretty much equals a .500 team which is about what the Reds are at this point.

However, the optimist in me says that they will start playing more towards their capabilities and are still in the division race. The first 16 coming out of the break are huge with 13 being at GABP.

bounty37h
07-11-2011, 11:18 AM
what does this tell you? We have no relief pitching!
Cordero has blown 6 saves in the first half.
Brian Price is an Idiot!

Suggestion: find the right numbers/what your talking about before you call someone an idiot, makes your arguement a lil bit stronger. The accurate numbers are still concerning though-seems those are the games we found a way to win last year, and that was mostly through clutch hitting we havent had this season. The blame is to share, need pitchers to bump up a notch-starts and pen, our hitters to produce-esp in scoring siutuations, and our fielding to tighten up a bit. Definately have their work cut out for the second half if they want to be in this thing in August-Sept and have a chance for a Reds October.

Nathan
07-11-2011, 08:50 PM
This (one run record) has to be one of the most over-rated stats in baseball. All of your games can be lost by one run, but, does that really tell anything? No. Not really. It just says that chances are, all of your games were winnable. So, win or lose, if you are still almost all of your games, you are probably not getting lucky enough, so, its bound to change at some point, right?

peteredwardrose
07-12-2011, 01:31 PM
Right now the Reds have 12 blown saves which ranks tied for 7th most in the NL. The Brewers (14) and Cardinals (15) actually have more than Cincinnati.

The relief pitching, especially Cordero lately, has been frustratingly inconsistent. However, as another poster intelligently pointed out, the offense absolutely shares in the blame of these types of losses.

A couple of examples from the last week just off the top of my head:

Wednesday - 8 runs in first 5 innings, then nothing until the 13th.

Friday - 4 runs in the first three innings, only score in one inning the rest of the game.

Sunday - 3 runs in the first four innings, don't score for the remainder of the game.

Frankly, that has been the story of the season. Offense and pitching has been great at times, absolutely terrible at others. Pretty much equals a .500 team which is about what the Reds are at this point.

However, the optimist in me says that they will start playing more towards their capabilities and are still in the division race. The first 16 coming out of the break are huge with 13 being at GABP.

First of all if you score 8 runs you should not lose!
2nd if yojr up 5-0 you should never lose. As i said the reds lead the nl in runs scored! Dusty has the lineup a mess IMHO it should be.
1cozart
2Phillips
3votto
4stubbs
5bruce
6herenandez
7rolen
8lewis/heisey-get rid of gomes good lord

Player for player the most talented team in the division and playing at gabp is not a good thing for this pitching staff they give up too many hrs.