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757690
07-15-2011, 06:45 PM
This is not for what you thing the Reds should trade, but for what you think the Reds will trade. You can vote for as many as you like:

1. None - Asleep as usual
2. Leftfielder
3. Shortstop
4. Starting Pitcher
5. Relief Pitcher

_Sir_Charles_
07-15-2011, 06:49 PM
I think we'll trade FOR prospects. I think we'll jettison some ML players (Hernandez, Renteria, and maybe a LF'er) for some prospects to replace the holes we'll be creating by bringing up some of the Louisville studs.

Degenerate39
07-15-2011, 07:21 PM
None

The Voice of IH
07-16-2011, 10:26 AM
I don't think they will be asleep at the wheel if they do not trade for anyone. If there is nothing good out there then they should not try to push by overpaying for rental players and sell the future. Jocketty just needs to sit back and see what is available, and act accordingly. I have full faith that he will do that.

The Voice of IH
07-16-2011, 10:28 AM
I think we'll trade FOR prospects. I think we'll jettison some ML players (Hernandez, Renteria, and maybe a LF'er) for some prospects to replace the holes we'll be creating by bringing up some of the Louisville studs.

That would be an interesting idea. They of course have to have full faith that the current Reds prospects can come up in the middle of a pennate race and win the thing. Which is a HUGE task to put on them.

I think if they trade, it would be for Major League help. But you bring up an interesting idea.

MikeS21
07-16-2011, 11:32 AM
I voted for NONE, but I emphatically say that it is not because they are asleep at the wheel. I don't think there will be a deal simply because there will not be a decent deal available to the Reds. By a "decent" deal, I'm talking about an obvious upgrade as opposed to shuffling deck chairs. I don't think the poll is fair to assume that the Reds are asleep at the wheel if they do nothing.

That doesn't mean someone else won't make a splash. But you cannot just assume that because someone else made a deal, that Walt could have made the same deal using the Reds' trade bait. The Reds have some trading chips. but that doesn't mean you can simply interchange them in someone else's deal and assume that the Reds' trading chips would gain the same return.

Yes, the Reds have needs, but I don't think the players are available who can truly upgrade those needs for the next 3-5 seasons. I just don't think there will be a deal out there that won't leave us feeling like, "but we already had that!" Sometimes the best deal is are the ones that don't get made.

alexad
07-16-2011, 12:37 PM
A starting pitcher is needed. The other holes should come from the minors. We have the talent to fill those holes.

Unassisted
07-16-2011, 01:17 PM
I held my nose and voted for None. I don't consider None to be "asleep at the wheel," because we don't know if the opportunities passed up were good ones.

For instance, I wouldn't trade Votto or Bruce for K-Rod.

RedLegSuperStar
07-16-2011, 02:05 PM
As much as I would love to have the Ubaldo Jimenez's and Jose Reyes' .. I just don't see this team in the market to deal. Not at the July 31st deadline at least. Walt had a made a name for himself in St. Louis and going after key needs on that ball club by getting big name stars like Dennis Eckersley, Will Clark, Mark McGwire, Darryl Kile, Chunk Finley, Scott Rolen, Edgar Renteria, Jim Edmonds, Larry Walker, & Mark Mulder.. Yet with the Reds he has yet to scratch the surface and reaquired some of those players.

Im not saying sell off the farm.. but I'd like to see players who have proven themselves at the AAA level get an oppertunity to move up to the big league club. If not this club then someone elses. Players who are blocked:

Yonder Alonso
Devin Mesoraco
Todd Frazier
Juan Francisco
Danny Dorn
Travis Wood
Brad Boxburger (I'll admit he could use some more seasoning @ Louisville)
Dave Sappelt

Everyone of those players have exceeded at the AAA level and have value to net you a star. I just see Walt sitting on his hands this trade deadline and hoping for the major league talent to take off and get hot. I'll leave you though with this bit.. When the Reds acquired Scott Rolen it was heavily reported that he wasn't just a player for 2009.. he was for the success of the 2010 Reds. They dealt one hell of a prospect at the time in Zack Stewart but it paid off. Our record was just nuts after getting Rolen and actually alomst made the team a .500 ballclub in the short time here. In 2010 the Reds were a Division winner and a playoff team. I think Ubaldo Jimenez is the Reds '09 Scott Rolen type of guy. I guess we will just have to see..

reds44
07-16-2011, 02:07 PM
Walt is going to make a move this year. My guess is he gets a front line starter.

redsmetz
07-16-2011, 02:20 PM
I went with starting pitcher, but would have been fine with saying "none" except for needless "asleep at the wheel" comment with it. I agree with the others who said they wouldn't necessarily see that as an accurate characterization. I think we have depth to make a move, but I despise the "back up the truck" approach. If we're going to tap our depth, I don't want moves for the sake of "making a move" and emptying our system. It has to make sense long term too.

corkedbat
07-16-2011, 03:33 PM
Walt is going to make a move this year. My guess is he gets a front line starter.

I've said that the last two years (both offseason and deadline). Not anymore. Nada was my vote. He's getting old, let him sleep.

AtomicDumpling
07-16-2011, 06:26 PM
I held my nose and voted for None. I don't consider None to be "asleep at the wheel," because we don't know if the opportunities passed up were good ones.

For instance, I wouldn't trade Votto or Bruce for K-Rod.

The Brewers got K-Rod for two minor leaguers whom the Brewers GM said were not prospects.

Ghosts of 1990
07-16-2011, 06:36 PM
I think at minimum they'll acquire say, Mike Adams from the Padres or a Brian Fuentes type.

I think at most we could see Josh Willingham come over from Oakland, he's going to get dealt, has some pop, and has the same agent as Jay Bruce whom Walt has a good relationship with.

I don't think it's going to amount to a lot more than that--and its tough to say if we need more than that. With the way Heisey plays, I feel like adding Willingham and cutting Gomes could be a really positive thing, then you go with the hot hand in left with Lewis filling in to give a blow or against tough righties.

Reds/Flyers Fan
07-17-2011, 03:04 AM
Asleep at the wheel, as we've come to expect.

fearofpopvol1
07-17-2011, 04:12 AM
It really depends how the next 10 days go IMO. If the Reds lose today and don't play well over the next week, they may decide to sell. They may clear out Hernandez, Gomes, Cairo, CoCo and/or I could even maybe see the Reds selling off 1 of their good relievers if they got something of value in return.

If the Reds aren't selling and stay competitive, I think they will make some minor move...like a relief pitcher who is older and probably won't help much.

Mario-Rijo
07-17-2011, 05:47 PM
I doubt we see any moves, mostly because it's real easy to suggest that and be right. We might see them pick up a relief arm in August but I suspect that is all they will look to do. Unless they can make a deal for a guy like Jimenez but I doubt he is actually going anywhere, I don't see Colorado making that move.

P.S. Ryan Ludwick just took one off the hand from Matt Cain, seems to be ok but should keep an eye on how he does from here on out.

CrackerJack
07-17-2011, 06:01 PM
Would love a big bat/cleanup hitter, if they can't swing a top line starting pitcher.

But I'm guessing they'll lean on the call-ups of guys like Sappelt, Hermida and Alonso etc.., instead. They really need someone to hit between Votto/Bruce, and needed it last year as well in the 2nd half and post season. I wish they'd quit ignoring that.

mth123
07-17-2011, 06:20 PM
Would love a big bat/cleanup hitter, if they can't swing a top line starting pitcher.

But I'm guessing they'll lean on the call-ups of guys like Sappelt, Hermida and Alonso etc.., instead. They really need someone to hit between Votto/Bruce, and needed it last year as well in the 2nd half and post season. I wish they'd quit ignoring that.

No kidding. Scott Rolen .242/.279/.399/.678

You could see it coming from miles away and they did nothing anyway. I voted asleep at the wheel and the way they've slept through this situation is the primary reason why.

fearofpopvol1
07-17-2011, 06:53 PM
I expect Rolen's offensive numbers to be better in the 2nd half and the defense at 3B is still rock solid. The problem is where he is batted. He should be batting 7th or 8th until he turns it around.

mth123
07-17-2011, 07:20 PM
I expect Rolen's offensive numbers to be better in the 2nd half and the defense at 3B is still rock solid. The problem is where he is batted. He should be batting 7th or 8th until he turns it around.

I didn't say that they should remove him from the starting line-up, but that problem you refer to concerning where he is batting is directly a result of the inaction of the front office. Its been obvious that they needed to do something to fill the 4 or 5 spot for a long time. I get the budget issues, but even a LH version of Gomes to fill that role on a platoon basis would have been good.

We all give Dusty grief for his line-ups, but its not really simple when the starting position players are overloaded with 5 or 6 guys who should be hitting 6th or 7th. Against RHP, Stubbs, Phillips, Rolen, Gomes and the Catchers would all be best placed in the 6 or 7 spot. The SS position has generally been an 8th spot hitter and, though I like Cozart a lot, I'm guessing he'll prove out as one as well (though quite a bit better than Janish or Renteria).

fearofpopvol1
07-17-2011, 10:22 PM
I didn't say that they should remove him from the starting line-up, but that problem you refer to concerning where he is batting is directly a result of the inaction of the front office. Its been obvious that they needed to do something to fill the 4 or 5 spot for a long time. I get the budget issues, but even a LH version of Gomes to fill that role on a platoon basis would have been good.

We all give Dusty grief for his line-ups, but its not really simple when the starting position players are overloaded with 5 or 6 guys who should be hitting 6th or 7th. Against RHP, Stubbs, Phillips, Rolen, Gomes and the Catchers would all be best placed in the 6 or 7 spot. The SS position has generally been an 8th spot hitter and, though I like Cozart a lot, I'm guessing he'll prove out as one as well (though quite a bit better than Janish or Renteria).

I think moving Rolen down in the lineup is a good start. Batting him 4th or 5th just doesn't make sense.

Unassisted
07-18-2011, 11:00 AM
I had a better reason than I posted above for voting "None." I was reminded of it yesterday when I posted it in another thread.

I believe that the ownership group is hoarding money in anticipation of a long lockout in 2012. It's the most reasonable explanation for both the comments we've heard from Walt this season and the lack of activity on the trading/FA front since last season.

Walt's not asleep at the wheel. The owners have put the wallet in a vault. Winning is no longer the first priority.

Edd Roush
07-18-2011, 11:15 AM
I believe that the ownership group is hoarding money in anticipation of a long lockout in 2012. .

Interesting. I thought I heard last that the labor negotiations were expected to be less contentious than that of the NFL and NBA and a new CBA would be easily attainable. What has been said recently to lead you to believe that we are in for a long lockout in 2012?

Unassisted
07-18-2011, 11:35 AM
Interesting. I thought I heard last that the labor negotiations were expected to be less contentious than that of the NFL and NBA and a new CBA would be easily attainable. What has been said recently to lead you to believe that we are in for a long lockout in 2012?Seeing the way the NBA and NFL negotiations are going, plus knowing that Bud Selig is involved makes me fear the worst. Bud is great at finding revenue, which is why he's beloved to the owners, but he's a PR nightmare.

I also strongly suspect that the economy is going to take a turn for the worse before the end of the year, which will strengthen both the owners' case and their resolve.

Edd Roush
07-18-2011, 12:51 PM
Seeing the way the NBA and NFL negotiations are going, plus knowing that Bud Selig is involved makes me fear the worst. Bud is great at finding revenue, which is why he's beloved to the owners, but he's a PR nightmare.

I also strongly suspect that the economy is going to take a turn for the worse before the end of the year, which will strengthen both the owners' case and their resolve.

So you are not going from any hearsay, but rather on macro-economic factors? That makes sense. I was just getting worried that statements of a contentious labor dispute were being leaked by owners/players and that there were already rumblings of a long lock-out/strike. I really hope that we don't have to miss any baseball in the near future due to a labor dispute. Baseball barely survived the '94 strike. Let's not go through that again.

mth123
07-18-2011, 06:43 PM
I had a better reason than I posted above for voting "None." I was reminded of it yesterday when I posted it in another thread.

I believe that the ownership group is hoarding money in anticipation of a long lockout in 2012. It's the most reasonable explanation for both the comments we've heard from Walt this season and the lack of activity on the trading/FA front since last season.

Walt's not asleep at the wheel. The owners have put the wallet in a vault. Winning is no longer the first priority.

This is the most interesting post in this thread. A lot better than my drivel.

Will M
07-19-2011, 05:18 PM
Good scenario: Ubaldo, Uehara & Beltran (rental).
Bad scenario: Jason Isringhausen

My prediction: the Reds are a lot closer to the bad scenario than the good one.

cinreds21
07-19-2011, 05:21 PM
I don't think we'd get three players. I think two at max.