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Brutus
07-16-2011, 08:08 PM
Some curious names on this list, not the least of which is former Reds' 1B Todd Benzinger.

It's dead-spin so certainly they had to make this an interesting list, but can't say I agree with the inclusion of some of these guys:

The 100 Worst Baseball Players Of All Time: A Celebration (Part 1) (http://deadspin.com/5820716/the-100-worst-baseball-players-of-all-time-a-celebration-part-1)

marcshoe
07-16-2011, 08:40 PM
Sorry to see the 'bonehead' Merkle myth repeated so prominently.

Some weird choices, but the categories do that for you. No mention of Lemongello's head-first slide into a post-game banquet or Razor Shines trip into the stands to fight fans as a minor league manager.

corkedbat
07-16-2011, 09:05 PM
Wow! Wily Taveras not only missed the 100 Worst, they don't even consider him the worst Taveras. Amazing! :evil:

chicoruiz
07-16-2011, 09:18 PM
Not really meant to be taken seriously- just a framing device for some of the writer's pet anecdotes- but any such list that doesn't include Casey Wise has no validity.

Actually, if you had nothing better to do, you could probably assemble a team out of those guys who could contend for a pennant.

Always Red
07-17-2011, 01:11 AM
Pretty good list- Oyler and Castro are there, but interestingly, not Hal Lanier.

cincinnati chili
07-17-2011, 03:45 AM
I'm thinking about going by the name Tony Suck. Awesome.

GAC
07-17-2011, 09:34 AM
That was fun.

BCubb2003
07-17-2011, 09:39 AM
I always try to remember that the worst player in baseball is probably the best player in his hometown.

cincinnati chili
07-18-2011, 02:12 AM
I always try to remember that the worst player in baseball is probably the best player in his hometown.

Agreed. We may be nitpicking, but "Worst Major League Baseball Players of All Time" would have been my choice if I were the editor of that column

cincinnati chili
07-18-2011, 02:28 AM
not Hal Lanier.

I sent the list to Westofyou, who's on vacation, and he caught this omission too.

I think Alex Trevino should be there. .979 career fielding percentage at catcher for a guy who couldn't hit and couldn't throw out runners by his 3rd or 4th year in the majors (yet he played for 13 seasons. The guy had one error for almost every 4 assists as a catcher (89 errors /398 assists).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/trevial01.shtml

By comparison, Johnny Bench in 17 seasons 97 errors / 850 assists.

Edd Roush
07-18-2011, 09:12 AM
Sorry to see the 'bonehead' Merkle myth repeated so prominently.

What actually happened?

Always Red
07-18-2011, 11:02 AM
I sent the list to Westofyou, who's on vacation, and he caught this omission too.

I think Alex Trevino should be there. .979 career fielding percentage at catcher for a guy who couldn't hit and couldn't throw out runners by his 3rd or 4th year in the majors (yet he played for 13 seasons. The guy had one error for almost every 4 assists as a catcher (89 errors /398 assists).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/trevial01.shtml

By comparison, Johnny Bench in 17 seasons 97 errors / 850 assists.

You could also put Dal Maxvill on that list, though he did win a Gold Glove in 1968.

cumberlandreds
07-18-2011, 11:27 AM
You could also put Dal Maxvill on that list, though he did win a Gold Glove in 1968.

Maxvill is on the list at number 23.

Lots a players on that list that I had nearly forgotten about. Almost makes me wish I hadn't of clicked on the link. :)

The Reds had a 3rd baseman a few years back that should have been on that list. I think his name was Larson? I'm trying forget his name so I can't recall for sure.

Some other former Reds that could make that list:
Junior Kennedy
Paul Householder
Rick Auerbach
John Vukovich
Most any catcher in the years of 1982 to 1989. A few of the names are Bilardello,Van Gorder,Gulden etc....

marcshoe
07-18-2011, 11:34 AM
What actually happened?

It's just one of my pet peeves--I think Merkle was unfairly, uh, goated (hey, we are talking about the Cubs.) Check out this thread: 100th Merkle Anniversary (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70305&highlight=merkle)

Always Red
07-18-2011, 11:38 AM
Maxvill is on the list at number 23.

Lots a players on that list that I had nearly forgotten about. Almost makes me wish I hadn't of clicked on the link. :)

The Reds had a 3rd baseman a few years back that should have been on that list. I think his name was Larson? I'm trying forget his name so I can't recall for sure.

Some other former Reds that could make that list:
Junior Kennedy
Paul Householder
Rick Auerbach
John Vukovich
Most any catcher in the years of 1982 to 1989. A few of the names are Bilardello,Van Gorder,Gulden etc....

Darrell Chaney, Woody Woodward, Bill Plummer.

BCubb2003
07-18-2011, 11:46 AM
Maxvill is on the list at number 23.

Lots a players on that list that I had nearly forgotten about. Almost makes me wish I hadn't of clicked on the link. :)

The Reds had a 3rd baseman a few years back that should have been on that list. I think his name was Larson? I'm trying forget his name so I can't recall for sure.



You're thinking of Brandon Larson, the ultimate can-hit-in-the-minors-but-not-the-majors guy.

cumberlandreds
07-18-2011, 11:54 AM
You're thinking of Brandon Larson, the ultimate can-hit-in-the-minors-but-not-the-majors guy.

That's him. Thanks! :thumbup:

cumberlandreds
07-18-2011, 11:56 AM
Darrell Chaney, Woody Woodward, Bill Plummer.

I always thought Plummer and Chaney were decent backups. But when you are little kid you think some players were much better than they really were. I can't really remember much about Woodward other than he split time at SS with Concepcion in 1971.

cumberlandreds
07-18-2011, 11:58 AM
The Braves of the 80's had a bunch who could be on that list too. Rafael Ramirez,Rufino Linares,Brad Komminsk are just a few to mention.

Edd Roush
07-18-2011, 12:13 PM
It's just one of my pet peeves--I think Merkle was unfairly, uh, goated (hey, we are talking about the Cubs.) Check out this thread: 100th Merkle Anniversary (http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70305&highlight=merkle)

Thanks for the insight. That has to be tough to be forever linked to that play.

RichRed
07-18-2011, 02:41 PM
Some other former Reds that could make that list:
Junior Kennedy
Paul Householder
Rick Auerbach
John Vukovich
Most any catcher in the years of 1982 to 1989. A few of the names are Bilardello,Van Gorder,Gulden etc....

Hector Cruz (Jose's brother) comes to mind, though he only played parts of two seasons with the Reds. Career OPS of .654, fielding percentage of .975, 7 career SBs in 15 attempts, yet he managed to stick around for 1806 plate appearances.

RichRed
07-18-2011, 02:43 PM
I love this one:


In 1979, after years of having jeers rained down upon him by his home Giants fans, [Johnnie] LeMaster emerged for a game with the word "boo" stitched onto his jersey in place of his name.

I can't believe I never heard about that before.

MrCinatit
07-18-2011, 02:52 PM
I am sure many of us are surprised to not see Eric Milton on the list. As well as Wily Mo Pena.
Alex Treveno and Jim Kerns are a couple of my personals.

George Anderson
07-18-2011, 05:18 PM
I can't believe Todd Benzinger was on the list. He was not all that good of a player but he was certainly better than a whole lot of players already mentioned in this thread.

westofyou
07-18-2011, 05:59 PM
I sent the list to Westofyou, who's on vacation, and he caught this omission too.

I think Alex Trevino should be there. .979 career fielding percentage at catcher for a guy who couldn't hit and couldn't throw out runners by his 3rd or 4th year in the majors (yet he played for 13 seasons. The guy had one error for almost every 4 assists as a catcher (89 errors /398 assists).

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/trevial01.shtml

By comparison, Johnny Bench in 17 seasons 97 errors / 850 assists.

I wrote some stuff on Hal a few years back:



Lanier was a legacy player, son of Cardinal hurler Max Lanier. Hal was a sought after high school player who surprised most of baseball when he signed with the Giants. While hitting over .300 in the minor leagues in 1964 Lanier got the call, a swift fielding 2nd sacker Lanier hit a respectable .274 in 90 games in San Francisco, however his 5 walks in 401 plate appearances should have been a warning flag the size of Texas. The next season Hal played with an assortment of players at shortstop, but a mid season trade brought Dick Schofield over. Schofield had been the transition shortstop from Grote to Alley in Pittsburgh, when Alley was ready to take over full time the inept bat of Schofield was sent to San Francisco to fill out there shortstop problem.

Together in San Francisco Schofield and Lanier teamed up for 997 trips to the plate that season, unfortunately for the Giants they made an out 758 times, thatís a robust 76% of the time they came to bat. Lanier honed that skill into an art form and no better was that displayed than in the 1967-1968 seasons. By then Lanier had been moved to shortstop, solving the Giantís lack of defense at the keystone position and also bettering the bat at second by default. Lanier came to the dish 1075 times in the 67-68 seasons and made an astonishing 871 outs, thatís an out 76% of the time he batted. Of the 212 hits that he had 16% were extra bases, none home runs.

Lanierís 1968 season produced the worst secondary average (The formula is (TB-H+BB+SB)/AB) in the history of the modern game, with his 1969 and 1967 season taking slots 3 and 4.





SHORTSTOP

OBA YEAR OBA PA OUTS G
Hal Lanier 1968 .222 518 425 151
Hal Lanier 1967 .239 557 446 151
Leo Cardenas 1963 .270 601 459 158
Don Kessinger 1967 .275 628 473 145
Tito Fuentes 1966 .276 564 420 133
Jose Pagan 1963 .277 519 389 148
Roy McMillan 1965 .280 574 425 157
Dick Schofield 1965 .282 548 408 132
Don Kessinger 1968 .283 707 526 160
Sonny Jackson 1967 .285 566 430 129

SLG YEAR SLG PA OUTS G
Hal Lanier 1968 .239 518 425 151
Hal Lanier 1967 .255 557 446 151
Dick Schofield 1965 .256 548 408 132
Don Kessinger 1967 .272 628 473 145
Dal Maxvill 1967 .279 530 386 152
Sonny Jackson 1967 .283 566 430 129
Don Kessinger 1968 .287 707 526 160
Roy McMillan 1965 .292 574 425 157
Dal Maxvill 1968 .298 516 357 151
Roberto Pena 1968 .300 546 396 138

Big Klu
07-19-2011, 05:09 AM
Maxvill is on the list at number 23.

Lots a players on that list that I had nearly forgotten about. Almost makes me wish I hadn't of clicked on the link. :)

The Reds had a 3rd baseman a few years back that should have been on that list. I think his name was Larson? I'm trying forget his name so I can't recall for sure.

Some other former Reds that could make that list:
Junior Kennedy
Paul Householder
Rick Auerbach
John Vukovich
Most any catcher in the years of 1982 to 1989. A few of the names are Bilardello,Van Gorder,Gulden etc....

I hope you aren't including Bo Diaz on that list.

cumberlandreds
07-20-2011, 09:03 AM
I hope you aren't including Bo Diaz on that list.

No. Diaz was the best of the lot during that period. He wasn't great but about an average MLB catcher. Which was better than anyone else they had.