Breaking Bad Season 4 Premiere Sun 10pm AMC (Spoilers!)

[kaldaniels]

Hank now knows. He will put things together quickly. Walt's sudden fortune etc....

But what will Hank's next move be? Direct confrontation? Jesse seems to be the only other known connection left. All of Hank's recent troubles have been caused by Walt. I can't wait.

And what was Jesse gonna do with that gun?

[757690]

Are you serious? Who's going to think to move a book from a bathroom?

That's a minor detail that anyone could forget.

WW isn't anyone, he's a meth dealer trying to hide his identity from his DEA agent brother in law. WW has been so meticulous and careful, there is no way he would keep that book. No freakin' way.

[19braves77]

WW isn't anyone, he's a meth dealer trying to hide his identity from his DEA agent brother in law. WW has been so meticulous and careful, there is no way he would keep that book. No freakin' way.

You remember that mass murdered from Kansas City who appeared out of nowhere after 18 years ? He wrote a note with his church's computer because the local media was getting ready to declare him dead, in jail, or moved away. The guys pride made him resend a brand new letter on a floppy disk to a news reporter. The FBI analyzed the disc and tracked it to the local church. They were amused that the guy left fingerprints on both the disc and computer. He is in jail now.

Criminals usually get caught over simple things.

[Ohayou]

They should have ended the episode like this:

Hank: Holy sh--
*fade to black*
*plop*

Only a guy like Hank would go to the master bathroom to take a crap in somebody else's house.

Hank found a note Gail wrote to a W.W., and when hank jokingly said it could be Walter White (which it was), Walt told hank it was probably Walt Whitman. Now hank finds a book with a note again to "My other W.W." in walt's house. Now he knows who his Heisenberg really is.

What an episode. The prison scene made me sick, and Jesse tossing his gun away after Walt's visit was one of the most powerful things I've seen. These next 44 weeks are going to be agonizing. It's Hank vs Walt next summer, and I'm Team Orange all the way.

In case anybody missed it, the note reads as "To my other favorite W.W. It's an honour working with you. Fondly, G.B."

Some people actually believe G.B. stands for Gretchen Black and not Gale Boetticher. :rolleyes:

[757690]

You remember that mass murdered from Kansas City who appeared out of nowhere after 18 years ? He wrote a note with his church's computer because the local media was getting ready to declare him dead, in jail, or moved away. The guys pride made him resend a brand new letter on a floppy disk to a news reporter. The FBI analyzed the disc and tracked it to the local church. They were amused that the guy left fingerprints on both the disc and computer. He is in jail now.

Criminals usually get caught over simple things.

Mass murderers are a unique breed, very different from drug dealers. Mass murderers usually do it for attention and fame, and want to be caught. Drug dealers do it for money and don't want to get caught.

[ervinsm84]

So WW can pull off eliminating 8 guys in three different prisons in a two minute period, but is dumb enough to leave incriminating evidence in his bathroom when his DEA agent brother in law comes over? Really????

We got it the other 9 times you've brought up stuff like that. You don't like the show anymore for the same type of reasons you've nitpicked all season.

[ervinsm84]

WW isn't anyone, he's a meth dealer trying to hide his identity from his DEA agent brother in law. WW has been so meticulous and careful, there is no way he would keep that book. No freakin' way. Are we even watching the same show? How has Walt been meticulous and careful at all? He's the definition of wreckless and out of control.

[kaldaniels]

Dumb move by Walt if you ask me. But it could happen.

However after his first "close call" with "W.W." (the flashback scene), he should have put 2 and 2 together and pitched the Whitman book.

[19braves77]

Dumb move by Walt if you ask me. But it could happen.

However after his first "close call" with "W.W." (the flashback scene), he should have put 2 and 2 together and pitched the Whitman book.

Its never been shown that Walt has actually read what Gale wrote or when he received the book. You see Walt reading the book in his condo .I will not be shocked if the 2nd story arch starts with us being shown Gale writing the note to Walt and Walt thinking very little of the being given the book.

Little things like this make Breaking Bad awesome:

http://i.imgur.com/Dq7Pv.gif

Awesome song: I bet they paid a pretty penny to use this.....

Crystal Blue Persuasion by Tommy James and the Shondells

Every song they've used has not only been super awesome, but goes so well with the scene it is attached too. I am always telling my wife I hate when shows or movies use terrible songs for no reason.

[kaldaniels]

Yep the music has been top-notch this year.

[19braves77]

Dumb move by Walt if you ask me. But it could happen.

However after his first "close call" with "W.W." (the flashback scene), he should have put 2 and 2 together and pitched the Whitman book.

One other thing that helps Hank connect the dots:

During the dinner scene where Walt got drunk on wine and told Hank that Gale isn't the guy he was looking for and that Gale was simply following instructions from someone else.

Prideful drug dealers do stupid things all the time.

Also I would like to apologize for my stupid typing errors. My typing skills on the Ipad are lacking.

[WildcatFan]

Hank now knows. He will put things together quickly. Walt's sudden fortune etc....

But what will Hank's next move be? Direct confrontation? Jesse seems to be the only other known connection left. All of Hank's recent troubles have been caused by Walt. I can't wait.

And what was Jesse gonna do with that gun?

Jesse went and got the gun when he saw it was Walt at his door. He knows Walt is tying up loose ends and was prepared to defend himself if Walt tried to kill him.

I think Hank goes to Jesse, which will be a defining moment of how loyal he's gonna stay to Walt. I think Jesse squeals.

[kaldaniels]

Jesse went and got the gun when he saw it was Walt at his door. He knows Walt is tying up loose ends and was prepared to defend himself if Walt tried to kill him.

I think Hank goes to Jesse, which will be a defining moment of how loyal he's gonna stay to Walt. I think Jesse squeals.

I've thought that. Could Jesse get immunity for the murder of Gail?

[camisadelgolf]

I could see the show ending with Jesse killing Walter. I really don't think Walt's going to go down without a fight, and Jesse's on a moral kick.

[19braves77]

Did anybody else catch this : the picture that Walt was looking at during the planning of the mass prison kill was the same picture he was looking at during his therapy session when he was in a fugue state.

I wonder how many other things I miss.

[Redsfaithful]

Alan Sepinwall is a good read for things like that, here's his recap of this last episode:

http://www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/mid-season-finale-review-breaking-bad-gliding-over-all-the-bathroom-reader

[WildcatFan]

I've thought that. Could Jesse get immunity for the murder of Gail?

I doubt full immunity for murder, but if it means nabbing Heisenberg, Hank may fight for a very limited sentence. Maybe even a blind eye while Jesse makes a run for it.

I keep wondering who the bag of guns is meant for in the flash forward at the beginning of the season. Hank? Jesse? Todd? It's not going to end well for the White family, that's for sure.

[Brutus]

I doubt full immunity for murder, but if it means nabbing Heisenberg, Hank may fight for a very limited sentence. Maybe even a blind eye while Jesse makes a run for it.

I keep wondering who the bag of guns is meant for in the flash forward at the beginning of the season. Hank? Jesse? Todd? It's not going to end well for the White family, that's for sure.

The beginning scene could be a swerve to throw people off.

[WildcatFan]

The beginning scene could be a swerve to throw people off.

That's true--it just seems it would be out of character. They tend to throw misdirects at you, but the "52" and the guns were very real.

Ooh, maybe the events of the show will end before the 52nd birthday with Walt getting away, and they're setting up a movie based on his return to Albuquerque! Now you've got me fidgety.

[Brutus]

That's true--it just seems it would be out of character. They tend to throw misdirects at you, but the "52" and the guns were very real.

Ooh, maybe the events of the show will end before the 52nd birthday with Walt getting away, and they're setting up a movie based on his return to Albuquerque! Now you've got me fidgety.

That's kind of been my thinking. Either a movie or the scene we witnessed at the beginning isn't indicative of how the show will end, but rather will be some place late in the second half of the season before things wind up settling down.

Make no mistake, if I'm putting down money, perhaps Walt's going to end up in jail, or, more likely, on the run or dead... possibly even with some of his family dead or completely alienated. But I also think the predictable endings aren't always the safest bet with a clever writing crew. This one feels like something we didn't see coming.

[WMR]

I've been able to buy into everything so far, but I just don't believe Walt would have brought that book into his house or have left it there after the Walt Whitman conversation with Hank.

[camisadelgolf]

I've been able to buy into everything so far, too. After the prisoners were killed, I'm sure Walt was feeling like, "Okay, I've got everything taken care of. Things are good. I'm awesome, and I did it." But as his ego has escalated, he has gotten increasingly sloppy. I don't know if you've ever been in a position like that, but it happens. I know it has happened to me. But then again, I've been told on multiple occasions that I can act like a psychopath, and the same can be said for Walter White.

And just food for thought . . .

*POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT READ THE REST OF THIS POST BECAUSE IT MIGHT RUIN FUTURE EPISODES*

When Walter and Gale first met, Gale found out that Walter is already a big Walt Whitman fan. Why would Gale give Walter a book that there's a good chance Walter already owned?

Also, Walter White + Gretchen Schwartz (which is German for 'Black') = Grey Matter. Just sayin'. Regardless of whether this is the direction they're going, Hank already has the seed planted in his head. It will be very interesting to see what his next move is.

[Brutus]

I've been able to buy into everything so far, too. After the prisoners were killed, I'm sure Walt was feeling like, "Okay, I've got everything taken care of. Things are good. I'm awesome, and I did it." But as his ego has escalated, he has gotten increasingly sloppy. I don't know if you've ever been in a position like that, but it happens. I know it has happened to me. But then again, I've been told on multiple occasions that I can act like a psychopath, and the same can be said for Walter White.

And just food for thought . . .

*POTENTIAL SPOILER ALERT - DO NOT READ THE REST OF THIS POST BECAUSE IT MIGHT RUIN FUTURE EPISODES*

When Walter and Gale first met, Gale found out that Walter is already a big Walt Whitman fan. Why would Gale give Walter a book that there's a good chance Walter already owned?

Also, Walter White + Gretchen Schwartz (which is German for 'Black') = Grey Matter. Just sayin'. Regardless of whether this is the direction they're going, Hank already has the seed planted in his head. It will be very interesting to see what his next move is.


I also think it's noteworthy that Mike has said repeatedly he considers Walt a loose cannon and very reckless. So in Mike's world, or at least the world of meth distribution, Walt was already someone capable of slipping up on a small detail. So leaving a book behind in his bathroom, a place he probably regarded as a sanctuary, seems consistent with a man that was basically told he was a walking target.

[kaldaniels]

Was the handwriting on each of the "W.W." notes the same?

[camisadelgolf]

Was the handwriting on each of the "W.W." notes the same?
Good question. I'll double-check that sometime this week.

[Brutus]

Was the handwriting on each of the "W.W." notes the same?

Ask and ye shall receive:

From Season 4, Episode 4 (Bullet Points), the note found in Gale's writing's:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n204/thespecialk80/BB0404.png

From Season 5, Episode 8 (Gliding All Over), the note inscribed in Walt's Leaves of Grass book from Gale:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n204/thespecialk80/BB0506.png

[kaldaniels]

Thank you Brutus! Have we met before? :D

O.K., if I am splitting hairs, they look a bit different. Notice the spacing between letters and also the difference between the word "To" - the "o" is proportionally different in size. But in reality this is a TV show we are dealing with and the writing is similar enough (if not the same) to assume that the same person wrote it.

The word "honour" is spelled the British way I notice.

[Homer Bailey]

Thanks for posting that, Brutus.

Even if the handwriting does not, match does it really matter? There is enough there for Hank to at least suspect, which is all that he really needed, correct? It's not like this link is going to incriminate Walt directly. It's just that now Hank suspects Walt, and he's going to be seeking the evidence he needs now. Right?

[kaldaniels]

Thanks for posting that, Brutus.

Even if the handwriting does not, match does it really matter? There is enough there for Hank to at least suspect, which is all that he really needed, correct? It's not like this link is going to incriminate Walt directly. It's just that now Hank suspects Walt, and he's going to be seeking the evidence he needs now. Right?

That is true, the lightbulb has gone off in Hank's head and there is no putting that toothpaste back in the tube.

But aside from interrogation, what solid evidence is Hank likely to come up with at this juncture? I'm not arguing that he won't come up with something, but am fascinated at the possibilties.

[Brutus]

Thank you Brutus! Have we met before? :D

O.K., if I am splitting hairs, they look a bit different. Notice the spacing between letters and also the difference between the word "To" - the "o" is proportionally different in size. But in reality this is a TV show we are dealing with and the writing is similar enough (if not the same) to assume that the same person wrote it.

The word "honour" is spelled the British way I notice.

To be honest, I've written in all caps fairly often and I think the writing looks like it's by the same person (and in reality, it probably was the same person that wrote it). I know when I'm writing on a lined piece of paper versus one without lines, the penmanship changes slightly within the consistency and size of my letters. I would think those subtle changes you referenced would be expected on two different pieces of paper.

[WMR]

I wonder if the money Mike successfully stowed for his Granddaughter was confiscated.

[757690]

Was the handwriting on each of the "W.W." notes the same?

I imagine they were both written by the same Props PA working on the show, so I'm pretty sure they match ;)

[19braves77]

Possible ending of Breaking Bad foreshadowing:

During his insider podcast, creator Vince Gilligan, placed significant importance on the name Lydia, as a clue toward the ending of S5. As an avid reader, and follower of history, the tale of Lydia came to mind. The land of Lydia is known in Greek Mythology for its two Kings, Midas and Croesus... the story of Croesus…

The story of King Croesus:
1. According to Herodotus he was the most powerful man of all antiquity
2. He becomes blinded by his power and his willingness for complete control, even after the advice of his elders and the wise man, Solon.
3. Shortly afterward, his beloved son dies in a freak accident
4. In response, his wife commits suicide, leading Croesus alone with his only daughter, he then falls into a state of rage and recklessness, declares all out war on his inferior enemy, and because of his ignorance, leads to his complete downfall. In the end he is allowed to live, but would have preferred death. ( the story is also explained by Tolstoy in his work, Croesus and Fate.

In addition, at the beginning of episode 5.1. Walt says he is staying in town to protect one person… In a recent interview, Hank foretells the significance of Holly and the threats against her life.

[19braves77]

Question:

Who is staring at Hank at the end of Season in the car when he tells Skylar "I won!"

[bucksfan2]

Just finished watching all of BB. I didn't exactly like the last scene when Hank finds the book. I thought that sets the final season in motion a little too quickly.

All along I have thought the cancer gets Walt before any law enforcement. My major question is does Hank put it all together? Does he "know" Walt is Heizenberg? What about the money? Does Marie tell Skylar that Hank is on Walt's trail? Does Hank find out Skylar is involved with Walt? Does Hank realize that drug money paid for his rehab?

[camisadelgolf]

If this ends with Walt dying of cancer, it's going to be one of the most disappointing ("predictable") finales of all-time.

[sonny]

Just finished watching all of BB. I didn't exactly like the last scene when Hank finds the book. I thought that sets the final season in motion a little too quickly.

All along I have thought the cancer gets Walt before any law enforcement. My major question is does Hank put it all together? Does he "know" Walt is Heizenberg? What about the money? Does Marie tell Skylar that Hank is on Walt's trail? Does Hank find out Skylar is involved with Walt? Does Hank realize that drug money paid for his rehab?

I think it's going to be a pretty neat game of cat and mouse. Hank has to build a case around his suspicion, all the whole fighting his urge to disbelieve it. Meanwhile, Walt is blissfully ignorant of this as he dismantles his empire. Should be pretty entertaining.

I personally think Walt kills Hank. I say this only because of Hank's mimicking shooting himself in the head whole listening to Walt's "marriage issues" while in his office. Vince Gilligan is pretty deliberate in these kinds of minutia.

[bucksfan2]

If this ends with Walt dying of cancer, it's going to be one of the most disappointing ("predictable") finales of all-time.

Not necessarily. The final 8 (I believe) will be about Walt dismantling his empire as well as Hank trying to catch Heizenberg. I think he tries to build a case which will lead to some fighting between Skylar and Marie.

I think Jessie gets killed. In any well written series once someone seems to make the change for the good they are done away with. If I were to bet I think Hank gets to Jessie.

I am interested to see where the final episodes lead. For a while Walt was focused on making his number, a fact Jessie brought up in this past series. Then Walt was focused on building his Meth empire, with the Methylamine gone, Mike dead, and Jessie out I think that story line is dead. Todd and his Uncle may be the one story line I have no idea where it goes.

[cinreds21]

I just got into Breaking Bad. I started a few weeks ago and am fully caught up. I absolutely love this show. The opening the the first half of season five tells me that Walter is on the run at some point. He obviously used Sal's guy to make him disappear. Now if that happens right away, or at the end, I don't know. I am counting down until the latter half of season five begins.


Magnets...

[camisadelgolf]

Something I saw on twitter:
*potential spoiler*
Crazy 8 cut the crust off his sandwiches, Walt kills him, and then he cuts the crusts off his sandwiches.
Gus drove a Volvo, then Walt killed him, and then Walt started acting like him and driving a Volvo.
Walt killed Mike, and he started drinking the same drink.
Walt made his age in his breakfast, which Skyler used to do.
Just saying?

[sonny]

Something I saw on twitter:
*potential spoiler*
Crazy 8 cut the crust off his sandwiches, Walt kills him, and then he cuts the crusts off his sandwiches.
Gus drove a Volvo, then Walt killed him, and then Walt started acting like him and driving a Volvo.
Walt killed Mike, and he started drinking the same drink.
Walt made his age in his breakfast, which Skyler used to do.
Just saying?

Holy moley, that's interesting.

[cinreds21]

OMG

[sonny]

In the opening scene of season five at Denny's, Walt uses Skylar's last name in his fake ID. Hmmm.

I'd sure like to know how they're going to wrap all this up in just 8 episodes. Honestly, it will seem odd that Walt's transformation into Heisenberg was so gradual, spanning nearly 5 seasons, but the resolution to everything will be at a comparative break neck speed. I hope they do it well.

[Homer Bailey]

Something I saw on twitter:
*potential spoiler*
Crazy 8 cut the crust off his sandwiches, Walt kills him, and then he cuts the crusts off his sandwiches.
Gus drove a Volvo, then Walt killed him, and then Walt started acting like him and driving a Volvo.
Walt killed Mike, and he started drinking the same drink.
Walt made his age in his breakfast, which Skyler used to do.
Just saying?

Mind... blown.

Remind me again on the drink? What was it Walt was drinking?

[Degenerate39]

The opening of season 5 confused me. Why was he at Denny's meeting the guy for weapons then it goes back to where season 4 left off?

[Larry Schuler]

The opening of season 5 confused me. Why was he at Denny's meeting the guy for weapons then it goes back to where season 4 left off?

Exactly.

Your questions are the answer to your questions. That flash forward is supposed to make you guess why and make presumptions until they reveal what led to it.

[sonny]

Slight alternate ending. Might answer some questions.

http://youtu.be/q8_wsx3V7TE

[medford]

After a delayed start we finally caught up on season 4 last night. I loved this half of the season as much as the previous 4. I like some of the theories on where the show is going and ultimately ending.

to those that have given up on the show (or any show) b/c it fails to meet some unrealistic level of perfection, good luck enjoying TV.

I avoided this thread until I caught up w/ the first 8 episodes of season 5 and it was fun reading the speculation and questions (particularly the money making side) in light of knowing what happens later in the season after the original remark was made (like Skylar hitting Walt in with just how much money he's made; I also enjoyed that while it was a huge pile of money, it actually feels realistic in terms of a crapload of money not actually taking as much space as the average person would assume)

[sonny]

From Aaron Paul's twitter:

"@aaronpaul_8: I just finished reading the first episode of the final season of Breaking Bad and words can not express what I just experienced. Holy $&@!"

[gilpdawg]

I've been avoiding this thread for months while I watched the whole series. Now I can't wait for July!

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[Plus Plus]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djaLf6bgFuU

Something to chew on for breaking bad fans until season 5 starts up again. I hope this isn't a repost...

[gilpdawg]

That's fantastic.