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KoryMac5
07-19-2011, 02:28 PM
With the lockout on the verge of being almost over I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread to discuss free agency as it is going to be a crazy time once this deal is signed on Thursday. Several teams are well below the cap like Tampa Bay and the Bengals. While the Cowboys and others are well over the cap. Should be a very fun week.

List all free agent signings here as well as rumored signings!

Eric_the_Red
07-19-2011, 02:43 PM
Peyton Manning and Drew Brees are asking to become unrestricted free agents and to be exempt from being franchise tagged for their careers. Apparently this is nothing new in the world of CBA negotiations.

As for free agency, since the Bengals are so far under the cap I expect them to be a major player in the market, signing at least one A-list FA and another one or two second tier players. They will...hehe...spend the...hohohehe...money...*snicker*...to....BWAH-HA-HAAAAA!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't make it through that last paragraph without laughing.

Oxilon
07-19-2011, 03:29 PM
Mike Brown has got to be so ticked off right now. It wouldn't surprise me if he wants to hold onto Carson Palmer and his contract now...

RiverRat13
07-19-2011, 05:09 PM
Mike Brown has got to be so ticked off right now. It wouldn't surprise me if he wants to hold onto Carson Palmer and his contract now...

I for one look forward to reading many a Hobson article that states "the Bengals are still leaving $10 million in cap space in hopes that Palmer changes his mind".

KoryMac5
07-19-2011, 05:27 PM
I for one look forward to reading many a Hobson article that states "the Bengals are still leaving $10 million in cap space in hopes that Palmer changes his mind".

Exactly and for the first two yrs of the contract small market teams only have to go up to 89% of the cap. I can see Mike Brown saving some room for Palmer just in case he decides to come back and try and force a trade.

I wonder how many injured players or convicts Mike may try and sign this season.

izzy's dad
07-19-2011, 06:40 PM
What exactly does this team need? I see a need for both safety spots, another running back, offensive line depth, lots of money to play with. The only problem with this is of course... MIKE F'ING BROWN! Anyone interested in hiring ninja assassins to rid the NFL and Bengals fans of this disgrace. I will pay the first $100.

KoryMac5
07-24-2011, 10:04 AM
Looks like the league opens for business on Weds. Rumors have it that teams will have a three day window to sign there FA's before everything opens up on Saturday. Bengals need to put a good offer out there for J Joe.

Mario-Rijo
07-24-2011, 09:38 PM
Looks like the league opens for business on Weds. Rumors have it that teams will have a three day window to sign there FA's before everything opens up on Saturday. Bengals need to put a good offer out there for J Joe.

Boy it's gonna be a seriously busy weekend in the world of sports. Baseballs trade deadline and NFL free agency all at the same time. :beerme:

WVRed
07-24-2011, 10:30 PM
I'd like to see the Bengals take a look at Ahmad Bradshaw if he hits the market. Could be a suitable replacement for Cedric Benson.

Puffy
07-25-2011, 11:37 AM
I'd like to see the Bengals take a look at Ahmad Bradshaw if he hits the market. Could be a suitable replacement for Cedric Benson.

You leave Bradshaw alone!!!!! He is a Giant.

And ESPN is now saying that free agency can start up as early as this afternoon if the players ratify when they say they are supposed to.

Puffy
07-25-2011, 12:44 PM
Now its back to Tuesday for signing rookies, undrafted rookie free agents and Free Agency.

Caveat Emperor
07-25-2011, 02:14 PM
Tampa Bay is going to have to dish out a crapload of cash just to make it to the salary floor. I'm guessing they have the resources to outbid everyone for Asomugha, but I'm hoping they stay away from splashy FA signings.

reds1869
07-25-2011, 04:32 PM
I'd like to see the Bengals take a look at Ahmad Bradshaw if he hits the market. Could be a suitable replacement for Cedric Benson.

As a Herd fan and a Bengals fan I would be in heaven.

KoryMac5
07-26-2011, 12:22 PM
Pat Devlin to Miami and Herzlich to the Giants

Sean_CaseyRules
07-26-2011, 05:14 PM
Reports sayin that Ravens are going to cut Heap and Mason to meet salary cap.

Also, Cowboys are said to cut Roy Williams, and Marion Barber.

KoryMac5
07-26-2011, 07:39 PM
Charles Johnson stays with Panthers

Santana Moss to remain in Washington

Quentin Mikell leaving Philadelphia to sign with St. Louis

Rumors have McNabb heading to the Vikes.

KoryMac5
07-26-2011, 11:45 PM
Paul Posluzny to Jacksonville 6 yr deal. Takeo Spikes to the Chargers. Bengals in on Robert Gallery. Rumors have it that Detroit continues to be in on Jonathan Joseph and Suh states on twitter something big may happen tomorrow. Hmmmm

JaxRed
07-26-2011, 11:53 PM
Paul Posluszny headed to Jags !!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/paul-posluszny-appears-headed-for-the-jaguars/

I swear that post wasn't there a second ago...

CTA513
07-27-2011, 12:07 AM
Paul Posluzny to Jacksonville 6 yr deal. Takeo Spikes to the Chargers. Bengals in on Robert Gallery. Rumors have it that Detroit continues to be in on Jonathan Joseph and Suh states on twitter something big may happen tomorrow. Hmmmm

Just wait until Joseph signs with someone else and we get to read the puff pieces on how its not a big deal because of how great Pacman is.

:barf:

KoryMac5
07-27-2011, 02:06 AM
Paul Posluszny headed to Jags !!

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/07/26/paul-posluszny-appears-headed-for-the-jaguars/

I swear that post wasn't there a second ago...

I like the Posluszny signing but not at 7 million a season. Jags paid a hefty price for him.

Mario-Rijo
07-27-2011, 09:43 AM
Paul Posluzny to Jacksonville 6 yr deal. Takeo Spikes to the Chargers. Bengals in on Robert Gallery. Rumors have it that Detroit continues to be in on Jonathan Joseph and Suh states on twitter something big may happen tomorrow. Hmmmm

And DeAngelo Williams...kicking the tires anyway.

Tony Cloninger
07-27-2011, 11:39 AM
And DeAngelo Williams...kicking the tires anyway.

Meaning they are not doing S about trying to sign anyone of substance....despite all their room under the cap.

KoryMac5
07-27-2011, 11:45 AM
Santonio Holmes back to the Jets per ESPN.

JaxRed
07-27-2011, 12:26 PM
I like the Posluszny signing but not at 7 million a season. Jags paid a hefty price for him.

Jags are WAY under the mandatory minimum cap number. They are almost being forced to overpay. But that may mean they get some better guys than they would normally

IslandRed
07-27-2011, 12:59 PM
Word is the Titans are getting Matt Hasselbeck. Good move for them, they needed a guy to play while they transition to Jake Locker. Hasselbeck's pretty close to done but he's still probably better than the other journeymen out there on the market.

CTA513
07-27-2011, 03:16 PM
RB Deangelo Williams re-signed with the Panthers and G Robert Gallery signed with the Seahawks.

Caveat Emperor
07-27-2011, 03:30 PM
Lance Moore stays with the Saints.

He's every bit as talented a slot-WR as Wes Welker, just doesn't get the same ESPN hype.

Mario-Rijo
07-27-2011, 03:36 PM
Lance Moore stays with the Saints.

He's every bit as talented a slot-WR as Wes Welker, just doesn't get the same ESPN hype.

Not, that guy drops too many balls to be compared to Welker.

Mutaman
07-27-2011, 04:19 PM
Linebacker Nick Barnett has announced that he has been told that he will be cut by the Packers. Barnett is 30 and was injured all of last season, but he is a gamer. Green Bay just needed some cap room. Barnett would make a good pickup for somebody.

CTA513
07-27-2011, 05:41 PM
Bengals signed QB Bruce Gradkowski

Matt700wlw
07-27-2011, 05:45 PM
Palmer should show up on Saturday and just throw everything into a tizzy.

BuckeyeRed27
07-27-2011, 05:50 PM
Bengals signed QB Bruce Gradkowski

Super Bowl!

wolfboy
07-27-2011, 06:09 PM
Bengals signed QB Bruce Gradkowski

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/27/bengals-agree-to-terms-with-gradkowski/


In five seasons Gradkowski has a 6-14 record as a starter but two of those wins were against the Bengals 06 while with the Bucs and 09 while with the Raiders.

Why would he sign here? Kind of destroys his chances of ever winning another game.

Caveat Emperor
07-27-2011, 08:35 PM
Bruce Gradkowski was a stone-cold killer in NCAA Football 2006.

KoryMac5
07-27-2011, 09:23 PM
Sydney Rice to Seattle. J Joe decision expected tonight, I am guessing Detroit.

Matt700wlw
07-27-2011, 11:35 PM
joereedyJoe Reedy

RT @McClain_on_NFL: Texans working hard on Asomugha & Joseph. If they get 1, they'll have to redo lots of contracts, lots of upfront money



The Bengals are about to butcher this.

RiverRat13
07-27-2011, 11:41 PM
If the Bengals don't re-sign Joseph and Carson stays retired, how in the world will they get to the salary floor this year?

Playadlc
07-27-2011, 11:42 PM
Joseph is hands down the best player on the Bengals roster. He absolutely, at all costs, must be kept.

CTA513
07-28-2011, 12:25 AM
The Browns are also looking at Joseph.

Hall and Joseph have been about the only consistent non sucky part of the defense.
So unless they bring in someone as good or better than Joseph then losing him will be a big downgrade no matter how the Bengals try to spin it.

Matt700wlw
07-28-2011, 01:28 AM
@ClaytonESPNJ

ready to wrap up the first day of tweeting. I think the Lions do have a great chance at getting J. Joseph, but the Bengals are still in hunt

KoryMac5
07-28-2011, 01:41 PM
Reggie Bush to Miami in a trade, Albert Haynesworth to NE in a trade.

CTA513
07-28-2011, 04:45 PM
Namdisdsi Asuomuadhsdfa is continuing to hold up the CB market.

Stray
07-28-2011, 06:50 PM
Chad Ochocinco, the newest New England Patriot.

CTA513
07-28-2011, 06:50 PM
Not really free agency related but Bengals #85 is rumored to be going to the Patriots

CTA513
07-28-2011, 07:33 PM
Bengals signed former Raiders LB Thomas Howard to a 2 year contract.

Reds Fanatic
07-28-2011, 08:17 PM
Bengals signed former Raiders LB Thomas Howard to a 2 year contract.

Apparently part of the reason for that deal is Keith Rivers injured his wrist in the off season and will be out for several weeks

KoryMac5
07-28-2011, 09:14 PM
J Jo to Texans in a 5 yr deal. Bengals look to be keeping with that losing tradition!

CTA513
07-28-2011, 09:16 PM
J Jo to Texans in a 5 yr deal. Bengals look to be keeping with that losing tradition!

:laugh:

CTA513
07-28-2011, 10:16 PM
Josephs contract details:

McClain_on_NFL John McClain

Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus.

BoydsOfSummer
07-28-2011, 10:48 PM
Usama (don't call me bin laden) Young-FS signed from the Saints to my Brownies.

LoganBuck
07-28-2011, 11:02 PM
Josephs contract details:

McClain_on_NFL John McClain

Joseph gets 5 years, $48.75 million and $23.5 guaranteed, including $12.5 signing bonus.

Good googly moogly. Every year somebody overpays for a corner. This is the definition of overpaying for a corner. It sucks that the Bengals lose him. JJo was always nicked up. Texans overpaid. I hate the contract.

CTA513
07-29-2011, 02:26 PM
Mikey going back on his commitment even though Odom signed a contract and relied on it.


@joereedy Joe Reedy
Per league source #bengals DE Antwan Odom has been released




:D

Stray
07-29-2011, 02:39 PM
After seeing what Houston paid Joseph I'm glad we didn't go that high. That would be ridiculous money for a #2 corner. I guess the only question is what in the world are we going to spend that money on now.

Boss-Hog
07-29-2011, 03:41 PM
After seeing what Houston paid Joseph I'm glad we didn't go that high. That would be ridiculous money for a #2 corner. I guess the only question is what in the world are we going to spend that money on now.

As I think you'll find out this year, Joseph was never the #2 corner on this team.

Stray
07-29-2011, 04:12 PM
As I think you'll find out this year, Joseph was never the #2 corner on this team.

I dunno. I don't think there is a huge difference between him and Leon Hall, but if I had to pick I'd take Leon all day. JJ has had too many injury issues and Leon Hall is about as dependable as you'll find.

Boss-Hog
07-29-2011, 04:19 PM
I dunno. I don't think there is a huge difference between him and Leon Hall, but if I had to pick I'd take Leon all day. JJ has had too many injury issues and Leon Hall is about as dependable as you'll find.

I agree Leon has the edge in terms of health, which can't be overlooked, but in terms of performance on the field, I'd take Joseph any day over Hall. It'd be nice to have both, but that ship has obviously sailed.

JaxRed
07-29-2011, 06:55 PM
Jaguars update - Jags needed up upgrade defensively big time in linebackers and defensive backfield. So far they've added MLB Paul Poluszny, OLB Clint Sessions, and Safety Dawan Landry.

Tony Cloninger
07-29-2011, 07:14 PM
I dunno. I don't think there is a huge difference between him and Leon Hall, but if I had to pick I'd take Leon all day. JJ has had too many injury issues and Leon Hall is about as dependable as you'll find.

Hall can play zone...JJ can defend man to man. JJ was not Roy Williams. He missed about 5 games in 2 years after missing a lot the previous year.....but he was still there at least 13-14 times a year.

He became overpaid beacuse he was lowballed by SOP when he would have signed for less. But that is SOP MO.

And Brown will field a joke team in 2011 and 2012. They are nearly 50M under the cap right now---and with NOTHING to spend the money on.

Mike Brown was what Mel Brooks had in mind when he came up with the character.... Count De Money in his "History of the World" Movie.

CTA513
07-29-2011, 07:30 PM
Nnamdi Asomugha and the Eagles have agreed to a deal.

blumj
07-29-2011, 07:56 PM
Nnamdi Asomugha and the Eagles have agreed to a deal.
Just like Cliff Lee. :laugh:

CTA513
07-29-2011, 08:43 PM
Bengals and guard Deuce Lutui have agreed to a 2 year deal.

LoganBuck
07-29-2011, 10:56 PM
Bengals and guard Deuce Lutui have agreed to a 2 year deal.

The guy is more of a right guard is Bobbie Williams next out the door?

Mario-Rijo
07-30-2011, 09:47 AM
The guy is more of a right guard is Bobbie Williams next out the door?

Hope so, he is toast at this point (has been for over a year). Livings might actually be better (and I'm not a Livings fan). Does this mean then Andre would be a LG if he can stay healthy?

Mario-Rijo
07-30-2011, 09:50 AM
I agree Leon has the edge in terms of health, which can't be overlooked, but in terms of performance on the field, I'd take Joseph any day over Hall. It'd be nice to have both, but that ship has obviously sailed.

Yup Leon is a solid all around corner while J-Jo is a legit cover corner who also is a willing tackler. Texans made a great deal IMO.

KoryMac5
07-30-2011, 04:05 PM
Vince Young to the Eagles as well on a 1 year deal. Good move for them to back up Vick with a veteran with Kolb gone. Eagles now referring to themselves as The Dream Team.

Chris Carr back to the Ravens 4 yr deal.

Media back in love with Ocho Cinco. Last few yrs with the Bengals his act was tired, now traded to NE and Chad is back to being fun again in the medias eyes.

Meanwhile Mike Brown counts de money.

Razor Shines
07-30-2011, 04:35 PM
Manning signs for 5 years/ 90 mil.

Eric_the_Red
07-30-2011, 04:44 PM
Manning signs for 5 years/ 90 mil.

And he leaves $10 million on the table to help the team. I just don't get how some people can dislike that guy.

Now the Colts need to get busy signing a few more pieces...

CTA513
07-30-2011, 09:22 PM
Bengals fans don't have to worry about the loss of Joseph anymore as the Bengals have reportedly agreed to terms with 31 year old CB Nate Clements.

:alcohol:

redsfanmia
07-30-2011, 09:38 PM
And he leaves $10 million on the table to help the team. I just don't get how some people can dislike that guy.

Now the Colts need to get busy signing a few more pieces...

23 million a year for the first 3 years of the deal with Peyton already looking to restructure the deal in 2014 when revenues from a new televison deal go up. I love Peyton but got to question this.

CTA513
07-30-2011, 10:42 PM
Bears signed RB Marion Barber to a 2 year $5 million dollar contract

He was one of the guys I was hoping the Bengals would look at instead of Benson.

TheBigLebowski
07-30-2011, 10:58 PM
Gotta say, I have no issues with Howard, Lupui or Clements. So far, so good.

Redsfan320
07-30-2011, 11:23 PM
Manning signs for 5 years/ 90 mil.

:clap: Go Colts Go!

320

LoganBuck
07-31-2011, 12:03 AM
Gotta say, I have no issues with Howard, Lupui or Clements. So far, so good.

Bengals need two linebackers yet. They lost Robert Muckleroy during the first practice, to a ruptured Achilles.

Are they going to go into the season pretending that Mike Nugent is adequate at kicker?

Who plays left guard?

Am I alone in thinking that I am indifferent to Cedric Benson or Jason Snelling?

Reds Fanatic
07-31-2011, 11:19 AM
Plaxico Burress signed a one year deal with the Jets

CTA513
07-31-2011, 06:36 PM
Bengals signed Benson to a 1 year deal.

:sleep:

CTA513
07-31-2011, 07:06 PM
Bengals no longer have G Deuce Lutui after he failed his physical by showing up overweight.
Not surprising considering I saw on either a Bengals forum or Cardinals forum that he showed up around 400 or so pounds last season.

izzy's dad
08-01-2011, 09:14 AM
Bengals no longer have G Deuce Lutui after he failed his physical by showing up overweight.
Not surprising considering I saw on either a Bengals forum or Cardinals forum that he showed up around 400 or so pounds last season.

So I guess we shouldn't call him Deuce, maybe quad... bad joke

izzy's dad
08-01-2011, 09:18 AM
I am ok with bringing Whitner in. He isn't bad at all. In fact he was part of a Buffalo secondary that was pretty darn good. He won't come in and set the world on fire, but he is solid. My guess is he would play the strong safety position. Would be a good target in my opinion. With latui out, and muckelroy out, I would like to see another lineman and another linebacker signed. Any Ideas?

Mario-Rijo
08-01-2011, 03:10 PM
I am ok with bringing Whitner in. He isn't bad at all. In fact he was part of a Buffalo secondary that was pretty darn good. He won't come in and set the world on fire, but he is solid. My guess is he would play the strong safety position. Would be a good target in my opinion. With latui out, and muckelroy out, I would like to see another lineman and another linebacker signed. Any Ideas?

Lofa Tatupu is rumored to have been cut or going to be in short order. Bengals like the guys who have been cut, it helps them weight potential compensation picks in their favor. Also Leonard Davis or Brian Waters. Not necessarily suggesting they are my choices but guys the Bengals are likely to consider 1st and foremost.

They also probably should try to bring back Brandon Johnson at this point. Also Manny Lawson is available but he's alot like Michael Johnson IMO, therefore perhaps redundant.

BTW LoganBuck how does a Bengal fan get Robert Muckleroy from Roddrick Muckelroy?

LoganBuck
08-01-2011, 04:22 PM
BTW LoganBuck how does a Bengal fan get Robert Muckleroy from Roddrick Muckelroy?

I haven't quite figured out how to type things with my phone yet. Auto correct is killing me.

HotCorner
08-01-2011, 04:31 PM
Names that intrigue me as possibilities for the Bengals: Manny Lawson, Donte Whitner, Madieu Williams, Matt Roth, Leonard Davis, Brian Waters, Brandon Johnson

izzy's dad
08-01-2011, 06:00 PM
No on M. Williams. We already went down that road.

CTA513
08-01-2011, 06:11 PM
No on M. Williams. We already went down that road.

He already signed with the 49ers and I saw a post from someone on another forum that said he didn't want to come back here.

CTA513
08-02-2011, 02:18 AM
Bengals have agreed to a 1 year deal with LB Manny Lawson

izzy's dad
08-02-2011, 09:58 AM
Any word on them picking up another o lineman and safety? Running back? I don't know where to find rumors on nfl free agency and trades, any ideas?

chicoruiz
08-02-2011, 12:24 PM
Any word on them picking up another o lineman and safety?

Supposedly Washington G Casey Rabach is mulling offers from the Bengals and Ravens, with the Bengals offering more money.

Also, the pursuit of Donte Whitner is cooling off for now...

CTA513
08-02-2011, 09:37 PM
Bengals signed guard Max Jean Giles to a 1 year deal

Matt700wlw
08-03-2011, 12:24 AM
He already signed with the 49ers and I saw a post from someone on another forum that said he didn't want to come back here.

I find that incredibly shocking. :p

Mario-Rijo
08-03-2011, 05:53 PM
I haven't quite figured out how to type things with my phone yet. Auto correct is killing me.

Gotcha, I know how that is. :thumbup:

CTA513
08-04-2011, 04:15 PM
Bengals and safety Donte Whitner have agreed to a 2 year deal

Stray
08-04-2011, 05:05 PM
I like that signing. He's been good every time I've seen him play.

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2011, 06:14 PM
Bengals and safety Donte Whitner have agreed to a 2 year deal

Nope...he turned around and signed with SF for 3 years. Sounds like he got an extra year and it also sounds like a D Bag move in the part of the agent.

CTA513
08-04-2011, 06:34 PM
Nope...he turned around and signed with SF for 3 years. Sounds like he got an extra year and it also sounds like a D Bag move ion the part of the agent.

Turd like move by him.

Tony Cloninger
08-04-2011, 06:37 PM
Turd like move by him.


That too...and of course on his tweet.....the standard..."God works in mysterious ways" .... OK.

TheBigLebowski
08-04-2011, 06:48 PM
I wish nothing but bad things upon him.

Boss-Hog
08-04-2011, 07:26 PM
This reminds me of Warren Sapp in 2004. I'm bummed (though certainly not surprised), although not too much so because unlike in 2004, I don't expect much of this year's team.

Eric_the_Red
08-04-2011, 07:33 PM
He shouldn't have tweeted he was a Bengal and then signed with SF, but still...can you blame him for not coming to Cincy?

Apparently SF sent an email to every team looking to deal Taylor Mays. I would be very happy to see him in blue and white.

KoryMac5
08-04-2011, 07:45 PM
Living in the Buffalo market most Bills fans disliked Whitner a great deal. Never made any big plays and was very poor in pass coverage. Blessing in disguise as far as I am concerned. Buffalo didn't even make a very good effort to resign him and they have plenty of cap space. The FO in Buffalo was happy to let him walk.

TheBigLebowski
08-04-2011, 08:51 PM
He shouldn't have tweeted he was a Bengal and then signed with SF, but still...can you blame him for not coming to Cincy?

Apparently SF sent an email to every team looking to deal Taylor Mays. I would be very happy to see him in blue and white.

Taylor Mays? I'm fine with him joining the Colts...but I don't want him anywhere near the Bengals. He's abysmal.

Eric_the_Red
08-04-2011, 09:53 PM
Taylor Mays? I'm fine with him joining the Colts...but I don't want him anywhere near the Bengals. He's abysmal.

If he could be had cheap enough, I think he'd be a good high reward, low risk pickup as a backup S for the Colts.

Mario-Rijo
08-04-2011, 11:18 PM
If he could be had cheap enough, I think he'd be a good high reward, low risk pickup as a backup S for the Colts.

If I were the Colts I'd deal for him and move him to LB. He's a potentially great fit as an OLB in a cover 2 scheme.

RichRed
08-05-2011, 11:22 AM
Didn't see it mentioned but the Redskins signed every Bengals fan's favorite kicker, Shayne Graham. He will compete with Graham Gano, who always makes me think of this guy:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_vOWGeusyw30/SDN54s-X4TI/AAAAAAAAAPA/Aa3pEVaufNA/s320/gnu24.jpg

TheBigLebowski
08-05-2011, 01:15 PM
If I were the Colts I'd deal for him and move him to LB. He's a potentially great fit as an OLB in a cover 2 scheme.

He's nowhere near strong enough for that.

Mario-Rijo
08-05-2011, 06:44 PM
He's nowhere near strong enough for that.

I didn't say he would be one right away, they would have to develop him in that spot.

cincrazy
08-06-2011, 10:43 PM
I'm not going to get upset over Whitner taking his talents somewhere else (damn you Lebron for making that phrase hip). I loved Whitner at OSU, and was absolutely floored to see how bad he was in the pros. We aren't missing out on anything we don't already have. He's a non-impact player. The Niners can have him.