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TOBTTReds
07-19-2011, 02:27 PM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/07/reds-sign-jonathan-perez-for-825000/

TOBTTReds
07-19-2011, 02:28 PM
Reds Sign Jonathan Perez For $825,000

Posted Jul. 19, 2011 1:20 pm by Ben Badler
Filed under: International, News
The Reds have agreed to terms with 16-year-old Venezuelan righthander Jonathan Perez for $825,000, according to an international source.

Perez, who is 6-foot-4, 195 pounds, has a projectable body, a good delivery and an improving fastball that has touched 90 mph. Perez's complete scouting report is available to Baseball America subscribers.

Homer Bailey
07-19-2011, 03:04 PM
A scout just told me that new Reds Venezuelan RHP Jonathan Perez has been up to 92 mph recently. Fastball keeps improving

@BenBadler

I like this signing.

corkedbat
07-19-2011, 03:11 PM
Never a bad thing to add a good young arm to the fold and if they're giving him a 1st/2nd round bonus I guess they must consider him as such.

dougdirt
07-19-2011, 03:36 PM
Never a bad thing to add a good young arm to the fold and if they're giving him a 1st/2nd round bonus I guess they must consider him as such.

I don't think they view him as a 1st/2nd rounder simply because he got that kind of money. This is an open market, guys get more than draft picks because they can negotiate with multiple teams. Still, that is a solid chunk of money and he is probably a Top 30 international prospect this year.

UKFlounder
07-19-2011, 03:46 PM
Reds control him for 6 years don't they before he becomes a minor league free agent if not on the roster?

I know I'm jumping way ahead, but I just get nervous about signing 16 year olds, since you may have to decide on them by only age 22.

Still, with that size at that age, he sounds intriguing.

(And if my assumption about how long the Reds can keep him is wrong, please let me know)

Edd Roush
07-19-2011, 04:22 PM
That's some big money right there. Anyone have an idea of how he ranked among the Venezuelan pitchers? Does he only get six years to develop before he is a free agent?

medford
07-19-2011, 04:36 PM
That's some big money right there. Anyone have an idea of how he ranked among the Venezuelan pitchers? Does he only get six years to develop before he is a free agent?

He gets 6 years before they have to put him on the 40 man roster, he then gets another 3 seasons before he's out of options. My guess is that w/n 6 seasons they'll have a pretty good idea if he's somebody worth putting on the 40 man or not w/ a shot to make the show one day or if he's not going to cut it.

Think about it this way, starting today:

Age 16: Venezualan Summer league
Age 17: Extended Spring training, Arizona fall league
Age 18: Extended Spring Training, Billings
Age 19: Full season in Dayton
Age 20: Full season in High A
Age 21: Repeat a level somewhere along the way

there's 6 seasons right there, now at the age of 22, they can put him on the 40 man roster and give him a full season in AA

Age 22: Full season in AA, 1st option burnt
Age 23: Full season in AAA, 2nd option burnt
Age 24: Full season in AAA, cup of coffee in the majors
Age 25: In the show, or released.

There's an awful lot of time and development before the Reds officially have to have him on the big league squad for good. The odds he makes it that far are pretty small to begin with, but it sounds like its a gamble worth taking.

camisadelgolf
07-19-2011, 04:41 PM
He gets 6 years before they have to put him on the 40 man roster, he then gets another 3 seasons before he's out of options. My guess is that w/n 6 seasons they'll have a pretty good idea if he's somebody worth putting on the 40 man or not w/ a shot to make the show one day or if he's not going to cut it.

Think about it this way, starting today:

Age 16: Venezualan Summer league
Age 17: Extended Spring training, Arizona fall league
Age 18: Extended Spring Training, Billings
Age 19: Full season in Dayton
Age 20: Full season in High A
Age 21: Repeat a level somewhere along the way

there's 6 seasons right there, now at the age of 22, they can put him on the 40 man roster and give him a full season in AA

Age 22: Full season in AA, 1st option burnt
Age 23: Full season in AAA, 2nd option burnt
Age 24: Full season in AAA, cup of coffee in the majors
Age 25: In the show, or released.

There's an awful lot of time and development before the Reds officially have to have him on the big league squad for good. The odds he makes it that far are pretty small to begin with, but it sounds like its a gamble worth taking.
He gets 5 years before he needs to be on the 40-man roster, am I right? If he were, say, 20 years old, he would get only 4 years.

Danny Serafini
07-19-2011, 04:45 PM
Interesting update from Fay's blog:


Reds general manager Walt Jocketty, asked by The Enquirer if an agreement had been reached, replied via text message:

“Not to my knowledge, and I’m sure I would have known about it.”

MikeS21
07-19-2011, 05:03 PM
There are at least two scouting videos on Youtube, if you do a search for Jonathon Perez.

Benihana
07-19-2011, 05:14 PM
I believe this is the most money they've ever given to an international pitcher, of course aside from Chapman.

The only other two that come to mind are Ismael Guillon, who I believe signed for much less (especially after reworking his deal due to injury), and Michael Ynoa, who famously turned down the Reds to sign with the A's.

I assume Perez was a top 5 arm in this year's international class? Regardless, it's good to see- assuming of course he actually signed.

texasdave
07-19-2011, 05:23 PM
Venezuela's top July 2nd pitching prospect, Victor Sanchez, remains unsigned. To follow all the rumors on Venezuelan ballplayers in Spanish, check out our peloteros venezolanos category over at Rumores de Béisbol

TOBTTReds
07-19-2011, 05:44 PM
Interesting update from Fay's blog:

To follow that up, from MLBTR


No Agreement Finalized Between Reds, Perez
By Tim Dierkes [July 19 at 4:11pm CST]
4:11 pm: Reds GM Walt Jocketty told Tom Groeschen of the Cincinnati Enquirer there's no agreement as far as he knows. "And I’m sure I would have known about it,” Jocketty added.

2:24 pm: The Reds signed 16-year-old Venezuelan righty Jonathan Perez for $825K, reports Baseball America's Ben Badler.

BA's scouting report says Perez has a projectable body that will allow him to add velocity, although he's already touched 92. His curveball and changeup need polish, but that's to be expected for someone his age.

dougdirt
07-19-2011, 05:46 PM
To follow that up, from MLBTR

Could just be because he hasn't passed a physical or signed the actual papers yet, but the two sides have agreed on the deal. Or, could be totally made up. Hope not though.

TOBTTReds
07-20-2011, 05:37 PM
Could just be because he hasn't passed a physical or signed the actual papers yet, but the two sides have agreed on the deal. Or, could be totally made up. Hope not though.

It's tough to make up an Int'l signing as you know. There's no point in that. I'm assuming pen hasn't hit paper yet, or like you said, a physical.

Blitz Dorsey
07-20-2011, 09:36 PM
Still no final word on this? Very strange. Either Walt should know more than he does, or this was a fabricated story.

Will M
07-22-2011, 03:40 PM
done deal according to this writer.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/07/despite-gms-comments-sources-say-reds-do-have-deal-with-jonathan-perez/

klw
07-22-2011, 04:00 PM
done deal according to this writer.

http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/prospects/2011/07/despite-gms-comments-sources-say-reds-do-have-deal-with-jonathan-perez/

My favorite part of the piece is this:


On Tuesday night, a Facebook account that other international sources have confirmed belongs to Jonathan Perez had a picture of Perez posing for a picture while wearing a Reds cap and shirt, standing between top Reds officials in Latin America in front of a wall painted with a Reds logo. By the next night, the picture was removed.

Blitz Dorsey
07-22-2011, 09:49 PM
My favorite part of the piece is this:

I also like: "His offspeed pitches are still raw."

I would sure as hell hope so. I don't think a 16-year-old would or should have a "polished" curve or slide piece. They should just be learning how to throw those pitches at that age.

Great to hear the deal is finalized ... despite the fact that Walt is either playing dumb, or is dumb. I prefer to think it's the former.

JayBruceFan
08-22-2012, 03:30 AM
Sorry to bump an old thread but I was looking into some old signings and came across this thread and decided to do some digging to see how Perez was doing this year.

I came across the following information while doing my research. Is this the same guy?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=perez-001jon

Or is that an incorrect player listing?

camisadelgolf
08-22-2012, 03:51 AM
Sorry to bump an old thread but I was looking into some old signings and came across this thread and decided to do some digging to see how Perez was doing this year.

I came across the following information while doing my research. Is this the same guy?

http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=perez-001jon

Or is that an incorrect player listing?
That's not the same Perez. The one in the article is a teenager from Venezuela. What makes it interesting is that when asked about it last year, Jocketty responded to Baseball America that the Reds didn't do the signing despite other sources out there that claimed they did.

scott91575
08-22-2012, 04:21 AM
doh, zombie thread. Nevermind.

JayBruceFan
08-22-2012, 05:32 AM
That's not the same Perez. The one in the article is a teenager from Venezuela. What makes it interesting is that when asked about it last year, Jocketty responded to Baseball America that the Reds didn't do the signing despite other sources out there that claimed they did.
I saw that too. I couldn't find anything actually confirming the signing outside of the initial reports in Mid-July that were never confirmed by any official sources

I'm starting to think that it never happened

dougdirt
08-22-2012, 06:49 AM
I saw that too. I couldn't find anything actually confirming the signing outside of the initial reports in Mid-July that were never confirmed by any official sources

I'm starting to think that it never happened

It happened.

JayBruceFan
08-22-2012, 08:01 AM
Then where is he at?

Can't find any information or stats on him

dougdirt
08-22-2012, 08:24 AM
Then where is he at?

Can't find any information or stats on him

I don't know where he is, but he was indeed signed. He is in the media guide on page 224 as a 16 year old.

The guy that is in the AZL with the same name however is not in the media guide. But that guy is also a right hander who used to be a position player and is from an entirely different country.

JayBruceFan
08-22-2012, 11:55 PM
Yeah I saw that he was from the DR after the fact