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dcameron24
07-30-2011, 09:28 AM
Countdown to the Trade Deadline (What would you do?)

Since we have the real rumor/report thread how about a WWYD thread?

Try to be realistic... (of course I would trade Corky for King Felix :laugh:)

How about:

Wood and Alonso to Tampa Bay for BJ Upton

Bailey, Grandal and Hamilton to Colorado for Jimenez

Hernandez to Giants for Surkamp

Personally I think now would be the time to "buy low" on both of these players. BJ Upton has unbelievable untapped potential which may come out with a change of scenery. Jimenez is having a somewhat off year, but before now he would have been completely untouchable. Ramon would help fill some of what is lost (prospect wise) in the other two trades.

I think the next 2-3 years is our best time to make a run. Alonso is blocked, if Mes is the real deal Grandal is expendable, Hamilton is too raw to contribute anytime soon and Bailey/Wood become expendable if Chapman and Jimenez are moved into the rotation.

If it doesn't work out then you can move Votto near the end of his contract to start "refilling" the prospect pool.

2011-2012 Lineup/Rotation
SS Cozart
LF Upton
1B Votto
2B Phillips
RF Bruce
3B Rolen
C Mesoraco/Hanigan
CF Stubbs

Cueto
Jimenez
Volquez
Chapman
Arroyo

mroby85
07-30-2011, 09:36 AM
I would try to acquire Hunter Pence from the Phillies, lol jk.

James B.
07-30-2011, 10:38 AM
I have one request and that is that we keep our young pitching.

R_Webb18
07-30-2011, 11:04 AM
2011-2012 Lineup/Rotation
SS Cozart/LF Upton/CF Stubbs
B Phillips
1B Votto
C Mesoraco
RF Bruce
SS Cozart/LF Upton/CF Stubbs
3B Rolen
SS Cozart/LF Upton/CF Stubbs

Cueto
Jimenez
Volquez
Chapman
leake
Arroyo(lol)

dcameron24
07-30-2011, 11:10 AM
Sadly Arroyo gets left in the rotation by default...

How's that contract working out Walt?

DocRed
07-30-2011, 11:12 AM
Sadly Arroyo gets left in the rotation by default...

How's that contract working out Walt?

Most overpaid pitcher in MLB....:(

dcameron24
07-30-2011, 11:15 AM
Most overpaid pitcher in MLB....:(

He's not even so much "overpaid"...

It's the 15 million in deferred money that becomes paid up front if he's traded that was dumb.

FireDusty
07-30-2011, 11:42 AM
Countdown to the Trade Deadline (What would you do?)

Since we have the real rumor/report thread how about a WWYD thread?

Try to be realistic... (of course I would trade Corky for King Felix :laugh:)

How about:

Wood and Alonso to Tampa Bay for BJ Upton

Bailey, Grandal and Hamilton to Colorado for Jimenez

Hernandez to Giants for Surkamp

Personally I think now would be the time to "buy low" on both of these players. BJ Upton has unbelievable untapped potential which may come out with a change of scenery. Jimenez is having a somewhat off year, but before now he would have been completely untouchable. Ramon would help fill some of what is lost (prospect wise) in the other two trades.

I think the next 2-3 years is our best time to make a run. Alonso is blocked, if Mes is the real deal Grandal is expendable, Hamilton is too raw to contribute anytime soon and Bailey/Wood become expendable if Chapman and Jimenez are moved into the rotation.

If it doesn't work out then you can move Votto near the end of his contract to start "refilling" the prospect pool.

2011-2012 Lineup/Rotation
SS Cozart
LF Upton
1B Votto
2B Phillips
RF Bruce
3B Rolen
C Mesoraco/Hanigan
CF Stubbs

Cueto
Jimenez
Volquez
Chapman
Arroyo
Don't know why Upton has any value at all. He is a bust, an attitude problem, really just not a great major league player.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this club needs to coach what they have better....and to do that...you need a new direction at the major league level.

You give a guy like Clint Hurdle and his staff this talent and he wins this division by 5 games.

We need a new hitting coach, pitching coach and manager.

That's the trade deadline move that needs to be made.

Vottomatic
07-30-2011, 02:22 PM
Agree. I'd try to change the coaching staff first, and see if they can light a fire under these guys or make some adjustments.

A manager who would use these guys properly would help.

It just seems like management hasn't turned over enough rocks within the organization, such as the farm system or changing who is doing the coaching, before trading a bunch of guys away.

Vottomatic
07-30-2011, 02:25 PM
If I were going to make a trade, Ramon for Surkamp would be a start. Replaces some of the young pitching that is going to be traded away.

Cordero's name will probably be crossing the waiver wire the rest of the season hoping some team picks him up. But no team will trade for him with that salary.

Unless the Reds can acquire Matt Kemp, this team isn't going anywhere without a legit 4-hole hitter.

Stray
07-30-2011, 02:27 PM
Unless the Reds can acquire Matt Kemp, this team isn't going anywhere without a legit 4-hole hitter.

Agreed. We are not a leadoff hitter away from turning things around. The biggest hole offensively is the big bat behind Votto IMO.

BRM13
07-30-2011, 02:31 PM
He's not even so much "overpaid"...

It's the 15 million in deferred money that becomes paid up front if he's traded that was dumb.

Yes and no. This is effectively a no-trade clause that Bronson waives by renegotiating the actual amount that is accelerated with his new team prior to the trade being official. It gives Arroyo some control over where he is traded.

For example, if he had a no-trade clause, but no accelerated salary the new team might have to pay him a couple million to accept the trade (it would probably be announced as an extension). Instead he renegotiates the 15 million down for teams he's willing to go to. Bronson probably gets about the same money either way and controls who he is traded to either way.

Keep in mind that players value the option to control where they are traded and to avoid it completely the Reds would have to pay him more upfront to compensate for the risk he'd be traded somewhere he didn't want to go. If he'd have taken $1 million more per year then they should have bought him out; if he wanted $5 million more per year you can see why the team used a version of the no-trade clause.

mu4103
07-30-2011, 02:41 PM
Don't know why Upton has any value at all. He is a bust, an attitude problem, really just not a great major league player.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, this club needs to coach what they have better....and to do that...you need a new direction at the major league level.

You give a guy like Clint Hurdle and his staff this talent and he wins this division by 5 games.

We need a new hitting coach, pitching coach and manager.

That's the trade deadline move that needs to be made.

Hurdle did not do a good job in Colorado. Be careful what you wish for.

Who Dey Time
07-30-2011, 02:45 PM
Upton is an overpaid, bad attitude version of Drew Stubbs. High strikeout guy and has his moments where he can become a distraction.

I would love to land Shields or Jimenez but I'm not giving up the farm for him either. You give me this rotation headed into 2012 and I'll take my chances:

Cueto
Jimenez
Leake
Arroyo
Chapman/Willis/Volquez/Bailey

I assume Wood or Bailey would be a part of any deal.

R_Webb18
07-30-2011, 03:17 PM
id try for Carlos Quentin kinda like jay bruce just less strik outs

Redsfansince72
07-30-2011, 03:56 PM
I honestly wish they would target Kemp and one of Kershaw or Billingsly from the Dodgers!!!

. How about Stubbs, Alonso, Wood ,Volquez and Boxberger for Kemp and Kershaw??

then the Reds can just promote Sappelt to bat leadoff and Heisey is the outfield supersub and pinch hitter.

Then trade Hernandez for Eric Surkamp like previously reported. and promote Mes.. Grandal is to valuable to me to trade.. the Reds can also work him at 1st as well after Votto leaves(I do believe he ends up in Toronto)

he is a switch hitter which the Reds do not have or had in along time.



Sappelt/Hesiey LF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Kemp CF
Bruce RF
Mesarosco C
Rolen/Frazier 3B
Cozart SS

That to me is the way to go...

with a Rotation of

Kershaw
Cueto
Leake
Bailey
Arroyo/Willis

R_Webb18
07-30-2011, 03:59 PM
I honestly wish they would target Kemp and one of Kershaw or Billingsly from the Dodgers!!!

. How about Stubbs, Alonso, Wood ,Volquez and Boxberger for Kemp and Kershaw??

then the Reds can just promote Sappelt to bat leadoff and Heisey is the outfield supersub and pinch hitter.

Then trade Hernandez for Eric Surkamp like previously reported. and promote Mes.. Grandal is to valuable to me to trade.. the Reds can also work him at 1st as well after Votto leaves(I do believe he ends up in Toronto)

he is a switch hitter which the Reds do not have or had in along time.



Sappelt/Hesiey LF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Kemp CF
Bruce RF
Mesarosco C
Rolen/Frazier 3B
Cozart SS

That to me is the way to go...

with a Rotation of

Kershaw
Cueto
Leake
Bailey
Arroyo/Willis

i guess we can dream

Vottomatic
07-30-2011, 04:46 PM
I honestly wish they would target Kemp and one of Kershaw or Billingsly from the Dodgers!!!

. How about Stubbs, Alonso, Wood ,Volquez and Boxberger for Kemp and Kershaw??

then the Reds can just promote Sappelt to bat leadoff and Heisey is the outfield supersub and pinch hitter.

Then trade Hernandez for Eric Surkamp like previously reported. and promote Mes.. Grandal is to valuable to me to trade.. the Reds can also work him at 1st as well after Votto leaves(I do believe he ends up in Toronto)

he is a switch hitter which the Reds do not have or had in along time.



Sappelt/Hesiey LF
Phillips 2B
Votto 1B
Kemp CF
Bruce RF
Mesarosco C
Rolen/Frazier 3B
Cozart SS

That to me is the way to go...

with a Rotation of

Kershaw
Cueto
Leake
Bailey
Arroyo/Willis

I actually think something else is brewing other than what we've heard on the rumor mill.

It wouldn't surprise me if they pulled off a trade with the Dodgers. And I'd be really happy if it included Kemp and either Kershaw or Billingsley.

Obviously, Stubbs and some young pitching would have to be included, and a number of good prospects too.

Stubbs, Grandal, Wood, Bailey to the Dodgers for Kemp and Billingsley. :thumbup:

drowg14
07-30-2011, 05:23 PM
I'm not that big on Billingsley. I guess he would be an upgrade to the backend of our rotation. I would love to see Kershaw and Kemp. Highly doubt that would happen though.

dcameron24
07-30-2011, 09:21 PM
id try for Carlos Quentin kinda like jay bruce just less strik outs

Believe it or not... I thought the Reds should get Quentin when he left the Diamondbacks.

If they could somehow pull him off for LF I would be absolutely ecstatic!

Am i right in seeing that he is still Arb eligible next year?

40YrRedsFan
07-31-2011, 12:47 AM
We have too many holes to plug to deal for help this season. Any player traded for now needs to be considered as our future in 2012 and beyond. I would go ahead and trade Hernandez for a major leaguer and bring up Mesoraco to see what he can do. Anyone else we trade for needs to be major league ready. Prospects aren't going to help in the short term. I would find replacements for: Renteria, Janish, Rolen, Masset, Ondrusek, Lewis, Cordero, & Arroyo. I would also replace Baker, Jacoby, & Price.
You asked what I would do, well, here it is.

Reds
07-31-2011, 06:25 AM
I expect the Reds to make a minor move involving a west-coast club sometime around noontime today.