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HotCorner
07-31-2011, 09:56 AM
Per Rosenthal ...

Bourn for 4 minor leaguers. Details to come.

alloverjr
07-31-2011, 09:59 AM
Per Rosenthal ...

Bourn for 4 minor leaguers. Details to come.

Thank god.

RedRoser
07-31-2011, 10:00 AM
As they say, "Sometimes the best "trades" are the one's you don't make!" :)

Benihana
07-31-2011, 10:07 AM
No top 50 prospects and best was Braves 9 prospect. Probably equivalent was Heisey + Boxberger and two lesser guys. Keep snoring Walt.

Reds Fanatic
07-31-2011, 10:11 AM
Here are the players Houston got for Bourn from Jayson Stark:


J Schafer, lhp Brett Oberholtzer, rhp Paul Clemens & rhp Juan Abreu.

Marty and Joe
07-31-2011, 10:12 AM
It is odd that I have felt relieved with almost every trade that's gone down this year.

RedsManRick
07-31-2011, 10:14 AM
At the prices players are costing this year, I'm very happy Walt hasn't pulled the trigger.

REDblooded
07-31-2011, 10:20 AM
No top 50 prospects and best was Braves 9 prospect. Probably equivalent was Heisey + Boxberger and two lesser guys. Keep snoring Walt.

Horrible way to evaluate valuation of a trade...

Benihana
07-31-2011, 10:22 AM
Horrible way to evaluate valuation of a trade...

Huh?

kaldaniels
07-31-2011, 10:25 AM
At the prices players are costing this year, I'm very happy Walt hasn't pulled the trigger.

You are correct sir!

HokieRed
07-31-2011, 10:27 AM
Sigh of relief here. I hope we survive the rest of the day.

REDblooded
07-31-2011, 10:27 AM
Huh?


Braves #7 prospect doesn't equal Reds #7 prospect
Braves #8 prospect doesn't equal Reds #8 prospect... and so on

If our GM is basing a players trade value off of BA's, BP's, ESPN's prospect rankings, we're in trouble...


And nice response... You copy/pasting that in pretty much every thread right now? Add something intelligent please.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2455235&postcount=445

PuffyPig
07-31-2011, 10:58 AM
No top 50 prospects and best was Braves 9 prospect. Probably equivalent was Heisey + Boxberger and two lesser guys. Keep snoring Walt.


If that was the cost for 1 year of Bourne, I really do hope Walt keeps snoring.

Heisey likely has more value to us going forward (with 5 more controlable years) than 1 year of Bourne.

Ghosts of 1990
07-31-2011, 11:10 AM
Other than Matt Holliday, Bourn was the guy I've wanted the worst to add to our current lineup over the past few years. I've been saying he would be a perfect fit for us for two years. I wonder what our price would have been. Good for Atlanta. They've got a nice squad.

Benihana
07-31-2011, 11:50 AM
Braves #7 prospect doesn't equal Reds #7 prospect
Braves #8 prospect doesn't equal Reds #8 prospect... and so on

If our GM is basing a players trade value off of BA's, BP's, ESPN's prospect rankings, we're in trouble...


And nice response... You copy/pasting that in pretty much every thread right now? Add something intelligent please.

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2455235&postcount=445

Reds and Braves systems have been ranked similarly (#3 vs. #6 in latest BA). Also for discussion purposes, publication rankings are frequently used to compare and gauge general value (ie player X will require two Top 50 prospects) both on this board and in the national media.

CySeymour
07-31-2011, 11:54 AM
You are correct sir!

:thumbup:

Tony Cloninger
07-31-2011, 02:24 PM
Bourn vs Stubbs
Michael Bourn is 28 years old. Drew Stubbs is 26 years old.
Drews Stubbs has 1,248 career plate appearances.
Michael Bourn has 2,414 career plate appearances.
Here is how the two players compare through 1,248 career plate appearances:


Bourn: .264 BA, .332 OBP, .355 SLG, .687 OPS
Stubbs: .255 BA, .328OBP, .422 SLG, .750 OPS


Bourn: 175 R, 38 2B, 18 3B, 9 HR, 69 RBI, 112 SB, 110 BB, 248 K
Stubbs: 187 R, 39 2B, 9 3B, 43HR, 130 RBI, 66 SB, 113 BB, 354 K


Contract
Bourn: $4.4M in '11...arbitration again this offseason....free agent after 2012.
Stubbs: $450,000 in 2011...another year before his 3 arbitration years begin after 2012.

Not that I would not mind Stubbs lower in the order to use his power and take away his indecisive ways when he is the leadoff hitter...... but he looks to be more of an asset than Bourn was.

Ron Madden
07-31-2011, 02:28 PM
Bourn vs Stubbs
Michael Bourn is 28 years old. Drew Stubbs is 26 years old.
Drews Stubbs has 1,248 career plate appearances.
Michael Bourn has 2,414 career plate appearances.
Here is how the two players compare through 1,248 career plate appearances:


Bourn: .264 BA, .332 OBP, .355 SLG, .687 OPS
Stubbs: .255 BA, .328OBP, .422 SLG, .750 OPS


Bourn: 175 R, 38 2B, 18 3B, 9 HR, 69 RBI, 112 SB, 110 BB, 248 K
Stubbs: 187 R, 39 2B, 9 3B, 43HR, 130 RBI, 66 SB, 113 BB, 354 K


Contract
Bourn: $4.4M in '11...arbitration again this offseason....free agent after 2012.
Stubbs: $450,000 in 2011...another year before his 3 arbitration years begin after 2012.

Not that I would not mind Stubbs lower in the order to use his power and take away his indecisive ways when he is the leadoff hitter...... but he looks to be more of an asset than Bourn was.

I'd take Stubbs over Bourn any day.

Tony Cloninger
07-31-2011, 02:30 PM
I'd take Stubbs over Bourn any day.

I would love to have both....the D in LF/CF would be out of sight. So would both of these guys hitting back to back at TOP.