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GOYA
07-31-2011, 04:15 PM
Bats win 3rd in a row

7-2 over the Pawsox


Player Pos AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI BB SO AVG
Sappelt CF 5 1 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 .323
Perez, F LF 5 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 .286
Phipps DH 4 1 2 1 0 0 1 1 1 .343
Hermida RF 5 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 .308
Dorn 1B 5 1 2 2 0 0 0 0 2 .258
Miller, C C 2 2 1 0 0 0 1 2 1 .218
Costanzo 3B 5 1 3 2 0 0 1 0 1 .239
Negron SS 3 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 1 .205
Castro, J 2B 5 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 .176

Player IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
Thompson (W, 3-1) 6.2 4 1 1 3 7 0 3.02
Christiani 1.0 2 1 1 0 0 0 6.20
Horst 1.1 1 0 0 0 0 0 2.50

mace
07-31-2011, 04:20 PM
It looked for a while there that Sappelt was starting to fade or stagnate or whatever. He was down to or perhaps below .300 for a spell. Nice bounce back on his part.

It's also good to see Daryl Thompson throwing the ball the way he has been lately.

mace
07-31-2011, 04:33 PM
Catcher Wagner Gomez singled in the game-winner for the AZL Reds in the bottom of the ninth, 3-2. Starter Justice French went seven innings, one earned run.

OnBaseMachine
07-31-2011, 04:57 PM
It looked for a while there that Sappelt was starting to fade or stagnate or whatever. He was down to or perhaps below .300 for a spell. Nice bounce back on his part.

It's also good to see Daryl Thompson throwing the ball the way he has been lately.

I think it was the oblique injury that slowed Sappelt down. Tough injury for a hitter. I'd like to see him get a look in Cincy sometime this season.

muddie
07-31-2011, 05:00 PM
RHP Justin Lehr is moved from Triple-A Louisville DL to Carolina. IF Carlos Mendez Carlos has been reassigned to Bakersfield. Word is Lehr will start tonight against Huntsville.

Scrap Irony
07-31-2011, 06:23 PM
In about 100 games and 428 ABs, Sappelt's AAA line is right around .320/.380/.475/.855. Extrapolate those numbers to a 150 game season and Sappelt's got around 60 extra base hits, including double figures in homers, doubles, and triples. He strikes out just a little more than he walks, with an 11.3 K rate and an 8% BB rate.

Consider, too, he's a legitimate CF with plus range and speed (though almost no SBs) that can also play LF.

IMO, he's the best choice among all options (Heisey, Alonso, Lewis, Frazier) for LF in 2012, especially considering his obp and top of the order inclinations. (A Cozart-Sappelt-Votto top of the first might be among the best in the game, with every offensive tool rating at least mlb average among them.)

Nice to see him back up last season's monster year (.342/.395/.507/.902) with another outstanding one this season.

Orenda
07-31-2011, 06:30 PM
In about 100 games and 428 ABs, Sappelt's AAA line is right around .320/.380/.475/.855. Extrapolate those numbers to a 150 game season and Sappelt's got around 60 extra base hits, including double figures in homers, doubles, and triples. He strikes out just a little more than he walks, with an 11.3 K rate and an 8% BB rate.

Consider, too, he's a legitimate CF with plus range and speed (though almost no SBs) that can also play LF.

IMO, he's the best choice among all options (Heisey, Alonso, Lewis, Frazier) for LF in 2012, especially considering his obp and top of the order inclinations. (A Cozart-Sappelt-Votto top of the first might be among the best in the game, with every offensive tool rating at least mlb average among them.)

Nice to see him back up last season's monster year (.342/.395/.507/.902) with another outstanding one this season.

Not that spring training stats mean anything but he pretty much destroyed it as well.

mth123
07-31-2011, 08:08 PM
In about 100 games and 428 ABs, Sappelt's AAA line is right around .320/.380/.475/.855. Extrapolate those numbers to a 150 game season and Sappelt's got around 60 extra base hits, including double figures in homers, doubles, and triples. He strikes out just a little more than he walks, with an 11.3 K rate and an 8% BB rate.

Consider, too, he's a legitimate CF with plus range and speed (though almost no SBs) that can also play LF.

IMO, he's the best choice among all options (Heisey, Alonso, Lewis, Frazier) for LF in 2012, especially considering his obp and top of the order inclinations. (A Cozart-Sappelt-Votto top of the first might be among the best in the game, with every offensive tool rating at least mlb average among them.)

Nice to see him back up last season's monster year (.342/.395/.507/.902) with another outstanding one this season.

I'm thinking along those lines with a bit of a twist. I think Sappelt should be the CF and lead-off hitter, but Stubbs would be my major trade piece. Stubbs this season, even with his 4 for 5 today, is slugging just .396. His Average holds down his OBP and Slugging and this year he's been extremely splitty with a .909 OPS versus Lefty pitching and only .673 vs. RHP. After 2012 he'll be arb eligible and his value is probably as high as it gets. The Reds have needs and Stubbs should be in demand. The team needs to diversify its collection of 6 and 7 hole bats for guys who can play other roles and IMO Stubbs can be the centerpiece of a deal. I'd hand LF to Alonso while Spotting Heisey in for any of the 3 OF or Votto (with Alonso at 1B) for 400 ABs or so. If Alonso can't play out there (which I suspect is the reason we haven't seen him) he's on the block too and a big time bat and a big time arm are on the shopping list. Lewis can be non-tendered.

mace
07-31-2011, 08:21 PM
Dayton trails 3-0 heading into the ninth. Torreyes is batting third today, with Bowe leading off and Hamilton in between. Corcino went six decent innings.

Yorman started in RF but was replaced after one PA by Duran.

mace
07-31-2011, 08:23 PM
Junior Arias has a HR, Buckley and Waldrop triples for Billings, which is tied 4-4 in the eighth. Radhames Quezada struck out seven in 5.1.

HokieRed
07-31-2011, 08:28 PM
Rhinehart with a single in his first AB tonight. Now 4 for 9 at Carolina.

mace
07-31-2011, 08:38 PM
Duran drove in Hamilton in the ninth, but Dayton came up short, 3-1.

Scrap Irony
07-31-2011, 08:46 PM
I'm thinking along those lines with a bit of a twist. I think Sappelt should be the CF and lead-off hitter, but Stubbs would be my major trade piece. Stubbs this season, even with his 4 for 5 today, is slugging just .396. His Average holds down his OBP and Slugging and this year he's been extremely splitty with a .909 OPS versus Lefty pitching and only .673 vs. RHP. After 2012 he'll be arb eligible and his value is probably as high as it gets. The Reds have needs and Stubbs should be in demand. The team needs to diversify its collection of 6 and 7 hole bats for guys who can play other roles and IMO Stubbs can be the centerpiece of a deal. I'd hand LF to Alonso while Spotting Heisey in for any of the 3 OF or Votto (with Alonso at 1B) for 400 ABs or so. If Alonso can't play out there (which I suspect is the reason we haven't seen him) he's on the block too and a big time bat and a big time arm are on the shopping list. Lewis can be non-tendered.

No big time bats, aside from Beltran, are available for outfield use. (Berkman is also available, but I'm guessing he's staying in St. Louis.) That could open up the idea of moving Stubbs for a good haul. More likely, it means a LF big bopper is out of the question. Therefore, Sappelt in LF, with Stubbs in CF.

IMO, Cincinnati has enough power in the lineup to not need a legitimate big bopper in LF or at cleanup. What the lineup needs is a good obp/ good power guy between Votto and Bruce and not a lineup drain like Rolen has been this season. If the Reds don't go shopping this offseason and essentially stay pat offensively, I'm hoping Mesoraco can be that guy next season, though it's doubtful he's put in that position.

IMO, a lineup of:
Cozart SS
Sappelt LF
Votto 1B
Mesoraco C
Bruce RF
Phillips 2B
Stubbs CF
Rolen/ Frazier 3B

is good enough to stay near the top of the league in runs scored. There are no holes, IMO, in that lineup, though it is primarily RH. With a bench of Frazier, Cairo, Hanigan, Heisey, and FA middle infielder (or Janish), this lineup would allow the Reds to go all in, so to speak, on a TOR starter via trade or free agent signing. (Or, preferrably, both.)

mace
07-31-2011, 09:43 PM
Well, Justin Lehr did nicely in his start for Carolina--five shutout innings. It's 0-0 after six. Rhinehart has the Mudcats' only hit. Shunick now pitching.

AWA85
07-31-2011, 10:39 PM
Guessing Yorman left with an injury after one at bat? The guy may rival Lotzkar for most fragile guy in the farm system.

batsfan
07-31-2011, 11:15 PM
Catcher Wagner Gomez singled in the game-winner for the AZL Reds in the bottom of the ninth, 3-2. Starter Justice French went seven innings, one earned run.

I saw Gomez take batting practice in MILB spring training camp this year, and I remember that he looked pretty good. Does anyone have any more info on him?

mth123
08-01-2011, 04:34 AM
No big time bats, aside from Beltran, are available for outfield use. (Berkman is also available, but I'm guessing he's staying in St. Louis.) That could open up the idea of moving Stubbs for a good haul. More likely, it means a LF big bopper is out of the question. Therefore, Sappelt in LF, with Stubbs in CF.

IMO, Cincinnati has enough power in the lineup to not need a legitimate big bopper in LF or at cleanup. What the lineup needs is a good obp/ good power guy between Votto and Bruce and not a lineup drain like Rolen has been this season. If the Reds don't go shopping this offseason and essentially stay pat offensively, I'm hoping Mesoraco can be that guy next season, though it's doubtful he's put in that position.

IMO, a lineup of:
Cozart SS
Sappelt LF
Votto 1B
Mesoraco C
Bruce RF
Phillips 2B
Stubbs CF
Rolen/ Frazier 3B

is good enough to stay near the top of the league in runs scored. There are no holes, IMO, in that lineup, though it is primarily RH. With a bench of Frazier, Cairo, Hanigan, Heisey, and FA middle infielder (or Janish), this lineup would allow the Reds to go all in, so to speak, on a TOR starter via trade or free agent signing. (Or, preferrably, both.)

Who says none are available? Guys are traded all the time. I like the idea of Phillips/Stubbs in the 6 and 7 spots if they're still here, but Rolen and the catchers need a place to hit as well. I've been one of Cozart's biggest supporters (had him ranked 3 on my prospect list behind Chapman and Mes pre-season) but he needs to hit 8th IMO. Mesoraco might be the best choice to hit 4th, but there is no way possible that he'll hit there before mid-2013 unless Dusty goes away. The Reds need to break the logjam of Major League ready guys with no where to play and they need to diversify the line-up. IMO the lefty killing, bottom of the order CF needs to be moved to make way for a kid on the way who can play a different role than half the team already on board is also best suited to play.

As for the big bat in LF, I'd consider an high OBP/Good Power guy exactly that. Need a big arm too. Gotta trade something. IMO Stubbs is a guy that can be replaced and should have enough value to get something that is needed. Teams pay a premium for guys who can play CF and have tools.

HokieRed
08-01-2011, 09:08 AM
Who says none are available? Guys are traded all the time. I like the idea of Phillips/Stubbs in the 6 and 7 spots if they're still here, but Rolen and the catchers need a place to hit as well. I've been one of Cozart's biggest supporters (had him ranked 3 on my prospect list behind Chapman and Mes pre-season) but he needs to hit 8th IMO. Mesoraco might be the best choice to hit 4th, but there is no way possible that he'll hit there before mid-2013 unless Dusty goes away. The Reds need to break the logjam of Major League ready guys with no where to play and they need to diversify the line-up. IMO the lefty killing, bottom of the order CF needs to be moved to make way for a kid on the way who can play a different role than half the team already on board is also best suited to play.

As for the big bat in LF, I'd consider an high OBP/Good Power guy exactly that. Need a big arm too. Gotta trade something. IMO Stubbs is a guy that can be replaced and should have enough value to get something that is needed. Teams pay a premium for guys who can play CF and have tools.

Actually I think we've got what we need. We need to get them in the right spots. Sappelt's becoming more obviously every day the leadoff CF solution and I doubt very much we will be able to trade for a better bat than Yonder Alonso. We've also got a potential middle of the order C. And, I think you could play these guys in Cinti right now and not be any worse than we are. It all involves a move of Joey Votto that it seems everybody's afraid even to consider.
2012 lineup: 1.Sappelt, 2. Phillips 3. Votto 4. Bruce 5. Mesoraco 6. Alonso 7. the 3d baseman 8. Cozart 9. P. That, I'd suggest, is the best collection of bats in the organization and one equally as good as any we're likely to assemble. But then I think Alonso is a lot better than most RZers give him credit for being.

mth123
08-01-2011, 07:57 PM
Actually I think we've got what we need. We need to get them in the right spots. Sappelt's becoming more obviously every day the leadoff CF solution and I doubt very much we will be able to trade for a better bat than Yonder Alonso. We've also got a potential middle of the order C. And, I think you could play these guys in Cinti right now and not be any worse than we are. It all involves a move of Joey Votto that it seems everybody's afraid even to consider.
2012 lineup: 1.Sappelt, 2. Phillips 3. Votto 4. Bruce 5. Mesoraco 6. Alonso 7. the 3d baseman 8. Cozart 9. P. That, I'd suggest, is the best collection of bats in the organization and one equally as good as any we're likely to assemble. But then I think Alonso is a lot better than most RZers give him credit for being.

I think Alonso is good. Votto's not going to move to LF though and I'm a skeptic about playing Alonso there. May as well get guys who fit.