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RedLegSuperStar
07-31-2011, 09:45 PM
Who will be the most logical to pass thru waivers and be trade candidates in August?

Joseph
07-31-2011, 09:48 PM
Hernandez, Cairo, Lewis, Janish, Renteria.

I(heart)Freel
07-31-2011, 09:48 PM
Coco... if the Reds fall really really out of it and a contending team's bullpen blows up like a Katy Perry song.

marcshoe
07-31-2011, 11:05 PM
I mentioned Ramon on the other thread, but he's obvious. I hadn't thought of Coco, but he and the others are good bets as well.

The flip side of this is, if the Reds don't slip out of contention, who might pass through waivers to them?

reds44
07-31-2011, 11:05 PM
Hernandez won't clear waivers.

Patrick Bateman
07-31-2011, 11:53 PM
Hernandez won't clear waivers.

At the same time, the team whom claims him is likely going to be a team seriously interested in him. There is of course the chance that a competing team like the D-Backs claims him so San Fran can't get him, but they might be cost concsious enough not to put in a bid in fear of the Reds letting him go out of spite.

reds44
08-01-2011, 12:41 AM
At the same time, the team whom claims him is likely going to be a team seriously interested in him. There is of course the chance that a competing team like the D-Backs claims him so San Fran can't get him, but they might be cost concsious enough not to put in a bid in fear of the Reds letting him go out of spite.
Me thinks the Pirates would be the first team to claim him.

Assuming the Reds and Pirates are both still relatively close to first, that deal won't happen.

Slyder
08-01-2011, 01:35 AM
Me thinks the Pirates would be the first team to claim him.

Assuming the Reds and Pirates are both still relatively close to first, that deal won't happen.

Division be darned if they offer spects we could use to improve the team (read pitching) in the offseason I would trade him or anyone else from the FA to be list.

I'd have the following guys on waivers tomorrow/today (majors only):
Anything:
Coco
Renteria
Lewis

Open the roster spot for spects:
Hernandez

Discuss extensions if demands are too high:
Phillips
Willis

At least listen:
Massett
Bray
LeCure
Bailey
Heisey

Listed on willingness to trade. If someone is willing to pay what price is needed I dont care what division, if it could/would improve the team anyone of them could be had.

Brutus
08-01-2011, 01:43 AM
After the Reds' first 3-game winning streak in seemingly ages... why would we be thinking about who will pass through waivers? lol

I don't know about you, but I don't think losing the division is yet a foregone conclusion no matter how distant it seems at the moment. The Reds have a beneficial schedule the last two months and still have enough games against the Brewers to directly cut into the lead. Plus, let's be honest, Milwaukee has been hideous on the road this year.

Slyder
08-01-2011, 02:19 AM
After the Reds' first 3-game winning streak in seemingly ages... why would we be thinking about who will pass through waivers? lol

I don't know about you, but I don't think losing the division is yet a foregone conclusion no matter how distant it seems at the moment. The Reds have a beneficial schedule the last two months and still have enough games against the Brewers to directly cut into the lead. Plus, let's be honest, Milwaukee has been hideous on the road this year.

I honestly just dont know enough about the minor league process and how many guys get put on the waiver wire and actually allowed to pass all the way through or how many teams play chess with waiver requests on spects to venture a guess on who to put there. Its why I left it strictly to the guys on the majors.

For me its as much as how many teams are in front of us as it is the distance. Because even if we win 4-5 in a row doesnt mean we really make up any room as any one of the teams in front of us wins means we dont move at all vs them.

mth123
08-01-2011, 03:45 AM
So, can Arroyo be put on Waivers? If some team like the Yankees claims him, who is responsible for the accelerated deferral of about $15 Million. If its the claimer, I'd put him on Waivers and hope he gets claimed.

dougdirt
08-01-2011, 04:48 AM
After the Reds' first 3-game winning streak in seemingly ages... why would we be thinking about who will pass through waivers? lol

I don't know about you, but I don't think losing the division is yet a foregone conclusion no matter how distant it seems at the moment. The Reds have a beneficial schedule the last two months and still have enough games against the Brewers to directly cut into the lead. Plus, let's be honest, Milwaukee has been hideous on the road this year.

The Brewers might be hideous on the road, but if they finish 1 game over .500 in the rest of their games, we have to go 17 over the rest of the way to beat them. That is a lot more than "distant" in my opinion.

Brutus
08-01-2011, 06:45 AM
The Brewers might be hideous on the road, but if they finish 1 game over .500 in the rest of their games, we have to go 17 over the rest of the way to beat them. That is a lot more than "distant" in my opinion.

Yeah I've seen you mention this several times. However, your math is slightly off...

If the Brewers finish 27-26, they'd have 87 wins. The Reds are currently 53-55, meaning they'd need to go 34-20 to tie. So it's 14 games over, not 17.

Nonetheless, if the Reds sweep the Brewers in September in Cincinnati, that's only 3.5 games the Reds need to make up elsewhere. And again, Milwaukee is awful on the road so while a sweep is never expected, it's not a terribly tall order.

If you look at it that way, 3-5 games isn't really that outlandish.

edabbs44
08-01-2011, 06:59 AM
The Brewers might be hideous on the road, but if they finish 1 game over .500 in the rest of their games, we have to go 17 over the rest of the way to beat them. That is a lot more than "distant" in my opinion.

With a third of the season left, it is a little too early to count them out. Definitely won't be easy. But what if Milwaukee goes 5 under? 8 under? Not sure that they are some sort of lock for anything this far out.

chicoruiz
08-01-2011, 07:34 AM
Remember too, that about half of our remaining games will be played with 40-man rosters, which would seem to help us more than anyone in the division.

Still a long shot, but I'm not ready to wave the white flag quite yet. We need to make hay this week, though...

PuffyPig
08-01-2011, 07:41 AM
At least listen:
Massett
Bray
LeCure
Bailey
Heisey

Listed on willingness to trade. If someone is willing to pay what price is needed I dont care what division, if it could/would improve the team anyone of them could be had.

Players that are historically traded in August/September, are aging veterans worth little more (if anything) than their contract.

These players would only be traded during the off season.

OesterPoster
08-01-2011, 09:09 AM
So, can Arroyo be put on Waivers? If some team like the Yankees claims him, who is responsible for the accelerated deferral of about $15 Million. If its the claimer, I'd put him on Waivers and hope he gets claimed.

I'm curious about this one too. Boston might have a need now that it's been determined that Clay Bucholtz is out for the year.

OldXOhio
08-01-2011, 09:13 AM
These players would only be traded during the off season.

Very true, unless of course you're the Reds when the winter meetings are a chance to work on your tan.

MikeS21
08-01-2011, 09:46 AM
Remember too, that about half of our remaining games will be played with 40-man rosters, which would seem to help us more than anyone in the division.

Still a long shot, but I'm not ready to wave the white flag quite yet. We need to make hay this week, though...
Additionally, the NL Central is notorious for beating up on one another.

Plus, I don't think the Astros or Cubs are necessarily going to go away quietly. Sometimes those teams who are out of it seem to love to make their presence known in late August and September. I realize the Astros are basically a AAA team at this point, but those young kids may surprise some folks down the stretch The Cubs are like a mosquito bite; they never really go anywhere, but they never let you forget they are there.

RedLegSuperStar
08-01-2011, 11:45 AM
I wasn't merely talking just the Reds but the league in general. But from the Reds standpoint:

Francisco Cordero - he has been pretty good this season and could help a contender.

Ramon Hernandez - Walt missed his opportunity with Razor Ramon; he would likely get claimed. If a trade couldn't be worked out then the Reds would either have to offer arbitration which he'd likely accept or they could offer him a payout for declining arbitration.

mace
08-01-2011, 11:53 AM
Yeah I've seen you mention this several times. However, your math is slightly off...

If the Brewers finish 27-26, they'd have 87 wins. The Reds are currently 53-55, meaning they'd need to go 34-20 to tie. So it's 14 games over, not 17.

Nonetheless, if the Reds sweep the Brewers in September in Cincinnati, that's only 3.5 games the Reds need to make up elsewhere. And again, Milwaukee is awful on the road so while a sweep is never expected, it's not a terribly tall order.

If you look at it that way, 3-5 games isn't really that outlandish.

We seem to neglect the fact that, two years ago, with a much less accomplished roster, the Reds closed out the season 27-13. While it's a longshot that they'd win the division this year, it's certainly not preposterous. If they happened to get hot, which we all know they're capable of doing, a lot of their victories, as Brutus pointed out, would come at the expense of the teams ahead of them.

That said, I'd like their chances a lot better if they had improved their roster at the deadline, as all their chief competitors did.

OesterPoster
08-01-2011, 11:56 AM
Not a real definitive answer, but someone asked Fay about the Arroyo waiver option.

@johnfayman John Fay
RT @mlapensee23 If Bronson was claimed on waivers, not traded, would he receive the $15 mil upfront like if he were traded?//Guessing yes.

RedLegSuperStar
08-01-2011, 11:59 AM
Names I've heard as possible August Trade Candidates:

Wandy Rodriguez
Carlos Pena

I guess we will know more as the month goes on.

OldXOhio
08-01-2011, 01:05 PM
We seem to neglect the fact that, two years ago, with a much less accomplished roster, the Reds closed out the season 27-13. While it's a longshot that they'd win the division this year, it's certainly not preposterous. If they happened to get hot, which we all know they're capable of doing, a lot of their victories, as Brutus pointed out, would come at the expense of the teams ahead of them.

That said, I'd like their chances a lot better if they had improved their roster at the deadline, as all their chief competitors did.

Last year, with a more accomplished roster and a playoff berth at stake they went 20-20 to finish. 53-55 since.

Again, I just don't get the inactivity from last winter leading up to yesterday.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-01-2011, 01:33 PM
The Brewers might be hideous on the road, but if they finish 1 game over .500 in the rest of their games, we have to go 17 over the rest of the way to beat them. That is a lot more than "distant" in my opinion.

Go 5-1 or even 6-0 on this trip and those numbers aren't nearly so daunting a week from now as they are today. But as pitiful as the Cubs and especially the Astros are, when the Reds morph into "going through the motions" mode and their offense sleeps, they can't beat anyone.

HotCorner
08-01-2011, 01:39 PM
Not a real definitive answer, but someone asked Fay about the Arroyo waiver option.

@johnfayman John Fay
RT @mlapensee23 If Bronson was claimed on waivers, not traded, would he receive the $15 mil upfront like if he were traded?//Guessing yes.

That's me!! :D I just started using Twitter this past week for the trade deadline and the NFL free agency mania.

I also sent it Mark Sheldon. I'm waiting for his reply.

dougdirt
08-01-2011, 02:09 PM
Yeah I've seen you mention this several times. However, your math is slightly off...

If the Brewers finish 27-26, they'd have 87 wins. The Reds are currently 53-55, meaning they'd need to go 34-20 to tie. So it's 14 games over, not 17.

Nonetheless, if the Reds sweep the Brewers in September in Cincinnati, that's only 3.5 games the Reds need to make up elsewhere. And again, Milwaukee is awful on the road so while a sweep is never expected, it's not a terribly tall order.

If you look at it that way, 3-5 games isn't really that outlandish.
16 more wins than them. 17 more wins than them. It is a TON of wins.

dougdirt
08-01-2011, 02:10 PM
Go 5-1 or even 6-0 on this trip and those numbers aren't nearly so daunting a week from now as they are today. But as pitiful as the Cubs and especially the Astros are, when the Reds morph into "going through the motions" mode and their offense sleeps, they can't beat anyone.

You know, unless the Brewers for 4-2 or 5-1 this week too. And then we still have to win 14-15 more than they do.

11larkin11
08-01-2011, 02:13 PM
You know, unless the Brewers for 4-2 or 5-1 this week too. And then we still have to win 14-15 more than they do.

Not "win" 15 more than they do. A game you win is one less you lose. So we still only have to win 7 more than they do.

dougdirt
08-01-2011, 02:23 PM
Not "win" 15 more than they do. A game you win is one less you lose. So we still only have to win 7 more than they do.

True. Poor wording there.

Guacarock
08-01-2011, 02:47 PM
I'd try to move Cordero in August, if the Brewers keep winning while we fall farther back or tread water.

We already know that Chapman can replace Cordero as our closer, and we won't miss a beat. But it would be ideal to have a month or so to see if Lecure or Bray also could handle that assignment, thus potentially freeing up Chapman for the rotation.

Ondrusek also might have closer potential, but probably a few years down the road.

Meanwhile, Masset looks like he's reached his peak value as a setup man and Arredondo is too wild for the final frame.

Now's as good a time as any to get a jump on sorting out the bullpen for 2012.

Scrap Irony
08-01-2011, 04:15 PM
If the Reds tread water over the first couple of weeks of August, I'd dangle Cordero to anyone who'd want him. Hernandez, too. (I'd have done that already, though.) I'd also see if anyone would want:

Willis (Could Boston take the gamble now that Bucholz is out for the year? For Bryce Brentz, perhaps?)

Volquez (If Phil Hughes struggles, could the Yanks gamble on the mercurial starter? A lower level prospect with a high upside could be a solid price.)

LeCure (He's been a godsend and his stuff is better than advertised-- especially as a reliever. But he may just slip through waivers and be interesting to a team like St. Louis, Pittsburgh, perhaps the D'Backs?)

Lewis (A LH PH with great results might be a good piece to dangle for next to nothing-- but it would give Alonso more PT as he platoons with Heisey.)

reds44
08-01-2011, 04:19 PM
No chance Volquez would clear waivers.

Brutus
08-01-2011, 04:25 PM
No chance Volquez would clear waivers.

For what it's worth, he had to clear waivers to be sent to the minors.

Of course, there's some speculation that GMs don't claim players on option waivers, but that's yet to be confirmed.