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Caveat Emperor
08-03-2011, 02:02 PM
Per Reds Official Twitter

Rolen today had arthroscopic surgery to remove bone spurs & fragments from AC joint, left shoulder. Expected to fully recover in 4-6 weeks.

Not much of a loss, considering Rolen's low output this year.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2011, 02:03 PM
Shut him down for the remainer of the season and make Todd Frazier the every day 3B.

OesterPoster
08-03-2011, 02:04 PM
Shut him down for the remainer of the season and make Todd Frazier the every day 3B.

Or...put in a waiver claim on David Wright. :D

Sea Ray
08-03-2011, 02:05 PM
Did Kremchek do the surgery?

Ron Madden
08-03-2011, 02:17 PM
Shut him down for the remainer of the season and make Todd Frazier the every day 3B.

I agree that's what should be done but it won't be done.

mace
08-03-2011, 02:32 PM
Shut him down for the remainer of the season and make Todd Frazier the every day 3B.

Or a platoon of Frazier-Francisco. (I guess that would be a fratoon.) Francisco has been rehabbing in Arizona for several days, so presumably it won't be long before he's ready.

I know that Francisco is not a favorite here, but I really believe--have all along--that his injury was a significant blow to the Reds this year. To me, he was the perfect backup for Rolen: a left-handed power hitter who could provide a run-producing presence in the lineup on the days Rolen had to sit.

Meanwhile, this is the chance to see if he and/or Frazier can handle the job going forward.

That said, I'm all for David Wright.

Roy Tucker
08-03-2011, 02:33 PM
Wish they would have done this last winter. It's not like this was a sudden injury.

cumberlandreds
08-03-2011, 02:37 PM
Wish they would have done this last winter. It's not like this was a sudden injury.

I don't why Rolen messed around with this and waited. It was quite obvious early on he was just a shell out there playing third base and hitting too. Wasted a season waiting on something that was never going to heal.
Someone needs to kidnap Cairo away from Dusty so Frazier can play everyday and get some valuable experince. Cairo has been really good but he's not going to be an everyday 3rd basemen.

Larkin Fan
08-03-2011, 02:46 PM
Wish they would have done this last winter. It's not like this was a sudden injury.

That's my take too. This should have been done long before now.

klw
08-03-2011, 03:05 PM
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/reds/2011/08/03/more-on-rolen-2/


I talked to Scott Rolen for a long time about the shoulder on the homestand. The fact that he had arthroscopic surgery does not surprise me. He was growing tired of the cycle: Play until it gets unbearable, go on the DL, strengthen it to point where he could play again, play until it gets unbearable . . .

The procedure was just to clean it up. Four to six weeks, which is projected to be out, still takes you to early to mid-September. I would not be shocked if he’s done for the year — depending where the Reds are in the standings when he’s ready.

medford
08-03-2011, 04:05 PM
Did Kremchek do the surgery?

Si

RedsManRick
08-03-2011, 04:08 PM
Kind of a bummer, but I'm glad on two fronts:

1) When he comes back, he should be stronger and more reliable
2) It (hopefully) gives us an extended look at Frazier

corkedbat
08-03-2011, 04:11 PM
I hope this works well for Scott and he can came back strong for one last hurrah next year. I love Cairo , but this team really needs to get a prolonged look at Frazier and maybe Francisco when the roster expands.

osuceltic
08-03-2011, 04:42 PM
Frazier looks to me like he needs a serious strength program. I was surprised by how scrawny he looks. He doesn't look like a big-leaguer.

Regardless, I think he's a future OF/corner INF utility guy. I'm not dying to see him play full-time. I would be surprised if Cairo didn't outperform him. I'd be more interested in seeing Francisco get an extended shot. He may have a lower floor, but he also has a higher ceiling than Frazier. If it clicks for him at the major league level, he could be a legitimate starter.

fearofpopvol1
08-03-2011, 05:00 PM
Any chance he retires? I know, it's a longshot I'm sure. But 3B for the future needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.

camisadelgolf
08-03-2011, 05:19 PM
Any chance he retires? I know, it's a longshot I'm sure. But 3B for the future needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
He has been asked about retirement multiple times, and he says he's not ready to retire every single time. He did acknowledge that his current contract could wind up being his last one though.

fearofpopvol1
08-03-2011, 05:23 PM
He has been asked about retirement multiple times, and he says he's not ready to retire every single time. He did acknowledge that his current contract could wind up being his last one though.

But I assume that was pre-surgery. Maybe he'll change his mind this time?

osuceltic
08-03-2011, 05:47 PM
But I assume that was pre-surgery. Maybe he'll change his mind this time?

I don't think you have surgery if retirement is in your plans.

fearofpopvol1
08-03-2011, 06:29 PM
I don't think you have surgery if retirement is in your plans.

If the recovery is a slow and painful one, you might be surprised.

RedLegSuperStar
08-03-2011, 06:36 PM
I say transfer Rolen to the 60 Day and insert one Devin Mesoraco to the 40 Man roster(Actually I think there is already a spot open). The time is now to see what our prospects can do at this level.

Scrap Irony
08-03-2011, 06:57 PM
Why do I have the feeling that the Rolen retirement discussion will dominate Redszone over the next six months, despite the fact that the man himself has said he has no plans to do so?

Tom Servo
08-03-2011, 07:25 PM
Shut him down and hope for the best in April.

Brutus
08-03-2011, 07:36 PM
Why do I have the feeling that the Rolen retirement discussion will dominate Redszone over the next six months, despite the fact that the man himself has said he has no plans to do so?

You've been around long enough lol

dougdirt
08-03-2011, 07:45 PM
Frazier looks to me like he needs a serious strength program. I was surprised by how scrawny he looks. He doesn't look like a big-leaguer.


I think your eyes may be deceiving you a little bit. Frazier is a fairly big dude, 6'3" and about 225 lbs. If you stood next to him, you wouldn't say he doesn't look like a big leaguer.

mth123
08-03-2011, 07:54 PM
This is Rolen's 4th surgery on the shoulder. I hope his pain is gone and he can live a better life and hit well in 2012, but the other three didn't really solve the problem. My expectations of anything more than moderate improvement baseball wise are fairly low.

It may make him more comfortable off the field and that is probably more important to a guy in his mid 30's looking at spending the rest of his life in pain.

Scrap Irony
08-03-2011, 08:05 PM
I think your eyes may be deceiving you a little bit. Frazier is a fairly big dude, 6'3" and about 225 lbs. If you stood next to him, you wouldn't say he doesn't look like a big leaguer.

Agreed. Frazier's always struck me as a big dude.

Too bad, too. If he were smaller, he'd have been kept at SS. And Frazier minus 25 lbs. is one heck of a SS all around, IMO.

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2011, 08:09 PM
Frazier looks to me like he needs a serious strength program. I was surprised by how scrawny he looks. He doesn't look like a big-leaguer.


Not sure where you got this from. Frazier is around 6'3" and 220ish pounds. He's also shown some very good power since coming up. His near grand slam was a pitch he basically lunged at and still hit it off the very top of the wall in left field.

_Sir_Charles_
08-03-2011, 08:44 PM
Probably not worthy of a thread of it's own, but Mark Sheldon just announced that Yonder Alonso has been taking ground balls at third base the past 2 days. I know he played it a bit in college...but there's no real possibility he can pull a move to 3rd off...is there?

OnBaseMachine
08-03-2011, 09:08 PM
Todd Frazier must have been reading this thread. He just hit an absolute BOMB.

Screwball
08-04-2011, 02:04 PM
I think your eyes may be deceiving you a little bit. Frazier is a fairly big dude, 6'3" and about 225 lbs. If you stood next to him, you wouldn't say he doesn't look like a big leaguer.

I noticed it too. I think it's gotta be the baggy style Frazier wears. You could just about fit two CC Sabbathias into the uniforms he throws on.

MikeThierry
08-04-2011, 06:17 PM
I guess its nice to hope Rolen will come back next year but I have a feeling that this might be it for him. Even if he does come back next year, I think it would be silly for the Reds to count on him as being a serviceable offensive 3rd baseman.

dougdirt
08-04-2011, 08:43 PM
Probably not worthy of a thread of it's own, but Mark Sheldon just announced that Yonder Alonso has been taking ground balls at third base the past 2 days. I know he played it a bit in college...but there's no real possibility he can pull a move to 3rd off...is there?

I don't know how much 3B Alonso actually played in college, but his freshman year was 2006 and he started every game at first base that season. In 2007 he also started every game at first base. In 2008, the year he was drafted, I couldn't find the amount of games started at first, but his put outs was in line with each of his other two seasons and I really doubt that they were playing him at third his final year after starting the previous 120 straight at first base as a freshman and sophomore.

BuckeyeRedleg
08-05-2011, 12:07 AM
I think Votto for Bautista now makes too much sense.

Make it happen Walt!

corkedbat
08-05-2011, 02:38 AM
I guess its nice to hope Rolen will come back next year but I have a feeling that this might be it for him. Even if he does come back next year, I think it would be silly for the Reds to count on him as being a serviceable offensive 3rd baseman.

I think it was wrong to count him as more than a sixth or seventh hitter going ino htis season.

Ron Madden
08-05-2011, 04:20 AM
With all due respect to Scott Rolen:

I hope Scott chooses to spend time with his family over a desperate attempt to prove he can still be a productive everyday MLB third baseman and middle of the order hitter.

If Scott does choose to hang around there's not a doubt in my mind that Dusty will start him at 3B and put him hitting cleanup as much as possible, until that mistake becomes painfully obvious to Dusty and/or an embarrassment to Scott himself. By that time we may be looking at another disappointing season square in the eye.

JMHO

RedsManRick
08-05-2011, 04:23 AM
With all due respect to Scott Rolen:

I hope Scott chooses to spend time with his family over a desperate attempt to prove he can still be a productive everyday MLB third baseman and middle of the order hitter.

If Scott does choose to hang around there's not a doubt in my mind that Dusty will start him at 3B and put him hitting cleanup as much as possible, until that mistake becomes painfully obvious to Dusty and/or an embarrassment to Scott himself. By that time we may be looking at another disappointing season square in the eye.

JMHO

I think Dusty's time putting Bruce at cleanup suggests that he isn't 100% committed to Rolen as cleanup hitter. Rather, it's a function of the talent he's got and the way he classifies guys. Give him a "real" LF and I think that guy is cleaning up and Rolen is batting 6th.

Ron Madden
08-05-2011, 04:49 AM
[QUOTE=RedsManRick;2460495]I think Dusty's time putting Bruce at cleanup suggests that he isn't 100% committed to Rolen as cleanup hitter. Rather, it's a function of the talent he's got and the way he classifies guys. Give him a "real" LF and I think that guy is cleaning up and Rolen is batting 6th.[/QUOTE


In my post I said Dusty would hit Rolen 4Th as much as possible.

I read somewhere that it took Scot Rolen himself to walk into Dusty's office and suggest that Dusty should flip Bruce and himself in the batting order.

Bruce had been very hot at the time but Dusty never made the move until Scott ask him to.

I hate to disrespect anyone but in my honest and humble opinion Dusty Baker very often can sure act like an Idiot.

fearofpopvol1
08-05-2011, 05:36 AM
With all due respect to Scott Rolen:

I hope Scott chooses to spend time with his family over a desperate attempt to prove he can still be a productive everyday MLB third baseman and middle of the order hitter.

If Scott does choose to hang around there's not a doubt in my mind that Dusty will start him at 3B and put him hitting cleanup as much as possible, until that mistake becomes painfully obvious to Dusty and/or an embarrassment to Scott himself. By that time we may be looking at another disappointing season square in the eye.

JMHO

Scotty's got guaranteed money next year, no matter what. Hard to turn that down.

757690
08-05-2011, 06:38 AM
Rolen has come back from his other two surgeries very strong and very productive. I wouldn't count him out just yet.

edabbs44
08-05-2011, 06:56 AM
[QUOTE=RedsManRick;2460495]I think Dusty's time putting Bruce at cleanup suggests that he isn't 100% committed to Rolen as cleanup hitter. Rather, it's a function of the talent he's got and the way he classifies guys. Give him a "real" LF and I think that guy is cleaning up and Rolen is batting 6th.[/QUOTE


In my post I said Dusty would hit Rolen 4Th as much as possible.

I read somewhere that it took Scot Rolen himself to walk into Dusty's office and suggest that Dusty should flip Bruce and himself in the batting order.

Bruce had been very hot at the time but Dusty never made the move until Scott ask him to.

I hate to disrespect anyone but in my honest and humble opinion Dusty Baker very often can sure act like an Idiot.

And then Bruce turned into Rolen once he was moved to cleanup.

Eric_the_Red
08-05-2011, 10:29 AM
[QUOTE=Ron Madden;2460496]

And then Bruce turned into Rolen once he was moved to cleanup.

Didn't BP struggle batting 4th too? Maybe the Reds cleanup spot is cursed. Dusty should fill out the lineup: 1, 2, 3, 3b, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.