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LvJ
08-06-2011, 08:27 AM
7-14 since the break. Lost last ngiht 15-5 to the Padres for number 8 in a row.

Now 3 games under and 8 back.

How quickly things change. We can still get 3rd place, folks! :thumbup:

traderumor
08-06-2011, 09:18 AM
I predicted this scenario months ago, so it must've been easy to see.

kaldaniels
08-06-2011, 09:28 AM
We couldn't have just bumped my Pirates thread to give me a little redemption? :D

GADawg
08-06-2011, 10:29 AM
yeah well THEY were supposed to suck

Mario-Rijo
08-06-2011, 10:33 AM
I predicted this scenario months ago, so it must've been easy to see.

:thumbup: I think anyone with any minimum level baseball I.Q. did see it coming. This pitching was bound to have a drop off even if they were more talented than I gave them credit for (though I don't know they have proven anything there), they are young and relatively inexperienced. And the pitching/defense was what carried them.

mdccclxix
08-06-2011, 11:01 AM
Same thing happened in Seattle when the offense never arrived - the pitching can't do it all. They may not be done sliding yet...

GAC
08-06-2011, 11:07 AM
How quickly things change. We can still get 3rd place, folks! :thumbup:

Yeah, lets set our sights high. LOL

We're still 2-7 head-to-head against this team, with 6 to go. And the way we have performed this past week vs the Astros, and last night vs the Cubs, it's hard to get my hopes up. :D

Blitz Dorsey
08-06-2011, 11:14 AM
No need for us to jump the Pirates for third. It's all about getting the best draft pick possible now in this lost season. (And it will be fun watching the young guys and our stud players in general play the rest of the season. It's still going to be interesting to watch the rest of this Reds season, but we're out of it and I want the best draft position possible for the '12 draft if we're not going to make the playoffs. Which we're not.)

Big Klu
08-06-2011, 11:34 AM
No need for us to jump the Pirates for third. It's all about getting the best draft pick possible now in this lost season. (And it will be fun watching the young guys and our stud players in general play the rest of the season. It's still going to be interesting to watch the rest of this Reds season, but we're out of it and I want the best draft position possible for the '12 draft if we're not going to make the playoffs. Which we're not.)

So we should throw games?

OldXOhio
08-06-2011, 11:51 AM
So we should throw games?

We already have earlier in the season. Why change now?

Tom Servo
08-06-2011, 01:01 PM
Just as I, and many others, predicted. They may end up finishing just a few games below .500 but they were never legitimate contenders for the Central crown.

Blitz Dorsey
08-06-2011, 05:30 PM
So we should throw games?

No, but safe to say that when Dusty does mindless things like bat Janish in the two-hole, it won't bother me nearly as much as it normally does considering this season is a waste anyway. The players aren't going to throw games of course. But as a Reds fan, I couldn't care less if we finish third or fourth in the division. If you're not first (or in the wildcard race) you're last. If the Reds have no shot at making the playoffs --which they don't IMO -- then as a fan I'm hoping for the best draft pick possible now. No way we would ever fall to the level of the Astros, but I wouldn't even care if we finished fifth behind the Cubs this year. Might as well get the best draft pick(s) possible if you're completely out of the playoff race.

CTA513
08-06-2011, 05:35 PM
So what happens to all those Pirates fans that all of a sudden appeared out nowhere?

oneupper
08-06-2011, 05:37 PM
So what happens to all those Pirates fans that all of a sudden appeared out nowhere?

They get to remember 2011 as the year they contended into late July.

cincrazy
08-06-2011, 07:36 PM
So what happens to all those Pirates fans that all of a sudden appeared out nowhere?

Easy to make fun of them, but Reds fans did much the same thing last year. I was in PNC Park a few weeks ago to watch the Redlegs, and divisional opponents or not, I was happy to see them excited about baseball again. Can't be a bad thing for MLB if that city awakens from the dead as a baseball town.

reds44
08-06-2011, 07:37 PM
So the Reds really suck lol

cincrazy
08-06-2011, 08:04 PM
So the Reds really suck lol

Took the words right out of my mouth, haha. They've lost 8 in a row and we're STILL behind them.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-06-2011, 08:08 PM
I have absolutely zero sympathy and zero warm spot for the Pirates. They're from Pittsburgh and they're all tremendously obnoxious Steelers and Penguins fans who flaunt their Super Bowls and Stanley Cups in your face. They're hardly suffering.

May the Pirates lose for another two decades!

cincrazy
08-06-2011, 09:18 PM
I have absolutely zero sympathy and zero warm spot for the Pirates. They're from Pittsburgh and they're all tremendously obnoxious Steelers and Penguins fans who flaunt their Super Bowls and Stanley Cups in your face. They're hardly suffering.

May the Pirates lose for another two decades!

Haha, hey, I'm a Buckeyes fan, and I flaunt their success, so I don't fault them one bit. I sat in that crowd for two days and only ran into one obnoxious person, and he was drunk out of his mind and had people with him telling him to shut up.

I understand they've had success in other sports, but it's not the same as baseball, in my eyes anyways. The Pirates are a great franchise historically, and it'd be great for our division if they could rise from the ashes.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-06-2011, 09:27 PM
Haha, hey, I'm a Buckeyes fan, and I flaunt their success, so I don't fault them one bit. I sat in that crowd for two days and only ran into one obnoxious person, and he was drunk out of his mind and had people with him telling him to shut up.

I understand they've had success in other sports, but it's not the same as baseball, in my eyes anyways. The Pirates are a great franchise historically, and it'd be great for our division if they could rise from the ashes.

The thing that would be great for our division is if the Reds could quit spinning their wheels, rise up and seize control of if for the next half-decade or so. It's time.

cincrazy
08-06-2011, 10:50 PM
The thing that would be great for our division is if the Reds could quit spinning their wheels, rise up and seize control of if for the next half-decade or so. It's time.

I'm not arguing that point one bit my friend. But I see little point in hating the city of Pittsburgh solely because our own sports teams suck. I fostered much the same disdain until I went to the city to see a few games and tour the town. An absolutely beautiful city, and probably one of the nicest cities in America. My cousin was walking on the street and sneezed, and someone walking by in a suit carrying a suitcase said "Bless you!" I MEAN C'MON! IN A MAJOR CITY! If you were to sneeze around 5 feet of someone in NYC they'd put you put you in the Million Dollar Dream and put you out (sorry for the lame 1980s wrestling reference, couldn't help it).

Team Clark
08-06-2011, 10:54 PM
This Pirates season reminds me of a few Bob Boone teams that were in 1st place through June and faded away. Although I am very impressed with what Clint Hurdle has done with that club, they are still missing some pieces and their young players are still developing. I certainly wouldn't dismiss them.

Homer Bailey
08-06-2011, 11:25 PM
They were never a good team. Their "run" was a pure product of luck, and as many of us predicted, their luck has run out.

However, the Reds luck still hasn't turned around, so I've been nothing but dead wrong about them.

cincrazy
08-06-2011, 11:29 PM
They were never a good team. Their "run" was a pure product of luck, and as many of us predicted, their luck has run out.

However, the Reds luck still hasn't turned around, so I've been nothing but dead wrong about them.

I think to call it all luck is to take something away from the players that busted their butt the first half of the season. I knew just as many did that they'd come back to earth. But I don't think that takes away from the level of surprise they supplied all of baseball with the last 3-4 months.

Homer Bailey
08-06-2011, 11:34 PM
I think to call it all luck is to take something away from the players that busted their butt the first half of the season. I knew just as many did that they'd come back to earth. But I don't think that takes away from the level of surprise they supplied all of baseball with the last 3-4 months.

They've been a below average pitching team and a below average hitting team the entire year. They used to have a winning record. Now its evened out. It was luck to be above .500 when you do nothing well (besides being a slightly above average defensive team).

cincrazy
08-06-2011, 11:38 PM
They've been a below average pitching team and a below average hitting team the entire year. They used to have a winning record. Now its evened out. It was luck to be above .500 when you do nothing well (besides being a slightly above average defensive team).

I'm not disagreeing with you Homer. All I'm saying is, they still found a way to win those baseball games early on and exceed expectations in a big way. And they deserve credit for that. Truthfully, I thought this team was going to lose 148 games this season. Did they play above their heads? Certainly. And it was bound to crash back to earth. But I think it's good for the long term health of the franchise to get people back into the park and caring again.

They're still clearly far away from competing with the big boys. But if they continue to invest in the right areas, they stand a fighting chance.

Homer Bailey
08-07-2011, 12:20 AM
I'm not disagreeing with you Homer. All I'm saying is, they still found a way to win those baseball games early on and exceed expectations in a big way. And they deserve credit for that. Truthfully, I thought this team was going to lose 148 games this season. Did they play above their heads? Certainly. And it was bound to crash back to earth. But I think it's good for the long term health of the franchise to get people back into the park and caring again.

They're still clearly far away from competing with the big boys. But if they continue to invest in the right areas, they stand a fighting chance.

You're right. I'm sorry if I misunderstood your original point. They have been way better this I expected them to be. My comments were construed to the people that thought that their record reflected who they actually were.

KronoRed
08-07-2011, 12:33 AM
The Pirates are a great franchise historically, and it'd be great for our division if they could rise from the ashes.

The Pirates and Reds are almost the exact same teams historically, same year of founding (1882), same number of world titles, same number of pennants and a minuscule 105 wins total separating the two in that time.

We should root for them now and then, they are us :D

Big Klu
08-07-2011, 02:09 AM
The Pirates and Reds are almost the exact same teams historically, same year of founding (1882), same number of world titles, same number of pennants and a minuscule 105 wins total separating the two in that time.

We should root for them now and then, they are us :D

I've always said that if I hadn't been blessed with being a Reds fan, I would have wanted to be a Pirates fan. (The last 19 years notwithstanding.) Historically, it's a club that feels a lot like the Reds.

GAC
08-07-2011, 08:13 AM
So we should throw games?

The way this team has played I don't think we could even do that! :mooner:

Mario-Rijo
08-07-2011, 09:35 AM
This Pirates season reminds me of a few Bob Boone teams that were in 1st place through June and faded away. Although I am very impressed with what Clint Hurdle has done with that club, they are still missing some pieces and their young players are still developing. I certainly wouldn't dismiss them.

Hey a TC sighting, nice to see ya! And I agree completely, saw it coming a mile away. Although I do dismiss them because not sure their pitching is anywhere close to as good as has looked this season. But we will see.

hebroncougar
08-07-2011, 12:19 PM
And the Reds are still behind them. Who sucks again?

Tony Cloninger
08-07-2011, 01:13 PM
Nice of them to start playing terrible just right AFTER the Reds left town.

Big Klu
08-07-2011, 06:52 PM
And the Reds are still behind them. Who sucks again?

Not anymore!

WVRedsFan
08-07-2011, 07:00 PM
So what happens to all those Pirates fans that all of a sudden appeared out nowhere?I've have a friend who loves anything Pittsburgh, though he is a WV native and has lived in my area all his life. Worships the Steelers and pretty much ignored the Bucs until this year. He spent the entire season posting on his Facebook page, "Wave the Jolly Roger" and calling out Reds fans saying the Reds sucked. He has been very silent lately. I find this typical of Pittsburgh fans. If the Steelers are winning, every house has a Steeler banner and all the talk is about how good they are. When they are losing, it's very quiet. Typical behavior from that fan base. Now, we need to bury them behind the Cubs.

jojo
08-07-2011, 07:08 PM
I've have a friend who loves anything Pittsburgh, though he is a WV native and has lived in my area all his life. Worships the Steelers and pretty much ignored the Bucs until this year. He spent the entire season posting on his Facebook page, "Wave the Jolly Roger" and calling out Reds fans saying the Reds sucked. He has been very silent lately. I find this typical of Pittsburgh fans. If the Steelers are winning, every house has a Steeler banner and all the talk is about how good they are. When they are losing, it's very quiet. Typical behavior from that fan base. Now, we need to bury them behind the Cubs.

I think thats typical behavior from any fanbase.

BoydsOfSummer
08-07-2011, 08:31 PM
Good thing they traded for Derrick Lee.

Always Red
08-07-2011, 09:03 PM
Good thing they traded for Derrick Lee.

D. Lee brought the losses with him from the O's.

Reds/Flyers Fan
08-08-2011, 12:24 AM
I've have a friend who loves anything Pittsburgh, though he is a WV native and has lived in my area all his life. Worships the Steelers and pretty much ignored the Bucs until this year. He spent the entire season posting on his Facebook page, "Wave the Jolly Roger" and calling out Reds fans saying the Reds sucked. He has been very silent lately. I find this typical of Pittsburgh fans. If the Steelers are winning, every house has a Steeler banner and all the talk is about how good they are. When they are losing, it's very quiet. Typical behavior from that fan base. Now, we need to bury them behind the Cubs.

This collapse couldn't be happening to a worse, more obnoxious fan base. Back where you belong Pirates! :lol:

cincinnati chili
08-08-2011, 12:30 AM
Good thing they traded for Derrick Lee. And Ryan Ludwick. If these were the kind of guys available, I'm glad that Walt did diddylsquat.