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FireDusty
08-06-2011, 06:54 PM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110806/COL03/308060058/Doc-Time-Reds-wave-white-flag-play-youngsters?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Reds

KYRedLeg
08-06-2011, 07:10 PM
It’s Baker’s job to get his players to play to their potential. They’ve missed by miles.
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This isn’t Baker’s fault, entirely. It is his problem.

Very good article.

webbbj
08-06-2011, 07:11 PM
start chapman

LeDoux
08-06-2011, 07:29 PM
I am starting to think Doc actually does watch more than the occasional Reds game. He summarizes the frustrations of many fans.

AWA85
08-06-2011, 08:05 PM
I am starting to think Doc actually does watch more than the occasional Reds game. He summarizes the frustrations of many fans.

He could have written that article after reading Redszone's game thread from today! :laugh:

Vottomatic
08-06-2011, 08:56 PM
You’d like to think this year would have brought some answers.

I agree with this statement. If they're not going to win the division, they should be searching for answers from within the farm system so they know what to upgrade in the offseason.


Optimism says Bruce, Stubbs, Homer Bailey, Travis Wood and Chapman are buds waiting for the sun. Pessimism says they are who they are.

I've often wondered if Reds management and fans overvalues some of these guys. Sometimes certain players aren't a good fit for your team. And other unlikely players are a good fit.

AintlifeGrande
08-06-2011, 09:18 PM
Doc has echoed about Chapman what I have been saying about him since day one.

powersackers
08-06-2011, 10:59 PM
That blog post and most of the 24 comments are full of nothing but facts and great ideas. Thanks for sharing the link.

AintlifeGrande
08-06-2011, 11:28 PM
Bout time somebody in the local press took issue with this team's management.

Roush's socks
08-06-2011, 11:32 PM
This sums it up pretty good. At this point the Reds future has gone from great to questionable. The way they have handled Chapman is looking worse and worse.

Out of everything the most frustrating is that the Reds will probably have to move Votto eventually, because realistically they can't afford him. That is outrageous, when a small market team can't even hope to be able to keep their own homegrown talent. In the NBA and NFL small market teams are able to keep their superstars. Players may still choose to go to a bigger market anyway, but small market teams are able to offer the same amount of money. Lebron didn't go to Miami because of money, because Cleveland was offering a similar amount. That is because in the MLB there is a much greater disparity in team payroles. You have some teams like the Yankees outspending others my many times.

The Reds need to come up with a plan, make some moves, and use some of their young talent in the right ways. Wood should be traded, since he is a fly ball pitcher. Some team might want a chance at Volquez.

Krawhitham
08-07-2011, 01:12 AM
We can not afford Votto in 2013 so trade him before 2012?

Sounds like Doc has given up on 2012 already

big boy
08-07-2011, 01:53 AM
Not getting Chapman ready to start is a fail.

wabashfalcon
08-07-2011, 02:47 AM
Add me to the group that wants stretch out Chapman.

Vottomatic
08-07-2011, 10:34 AM
Chapman should be in triple A working on becoming a starter. Lousy management of this situation.

wabashfalcon
08-07-2011, 03:32 PM
Think of our Rotation next year if we stretch out Chapman:

1. Cueto
2. Leake
3. Homer
4. Chapman
5. Arroyo/Wood/Dontrelle

That's sick.

Natty Redlocks
08-07-2011, 05:05 PM
Think of our Rotation next year if we stretch out Chapman:

1. Cueto
2. Leake
3. Homer
4. Chapman
5. Arroyo/Wood/Dontrelle

That's sick.

Halladay, Lee, Hamels is sick. Lincecum, Cain, Bumgarner is sick. Cueto, Leake, Bailey? One of these things is not like the others. Yet.