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RichRed
08-19-2011, 01:37 PM
Bad news for Reds fans.

http://news.yahoo.com/cubs-fire-gm-jim-hendry-9-years-152653176.html?bouchon=602,il

Matt700wlw
08-19-2011, 02:19 PM
They're still the Cubs.

CarolinaRedleg
08-19-2011, 02:29 PM
Think a mass emailing campaign to Bill Bavasi is in order?

RedsBaron
08-19-2011, 02:41 PM
Cub fans need to show some patience. It's been a mere 103 years since the Cubs last world championship. This "what have you done lately" attitude is really unfair. :)

Chip R
08-19-2011, 02:47 PM
Cub fans need to show some patience. It's been a mere 103 years since the Cubs last world championship. This "what have you done lately" attitude is really unfair. :)

:laugh:

MrCinatit
08-19-2011, 03:23 PM
Dear Cubs;
ESPN has a young go-getter who would be a great addition as your new GM, and is a man with previous experience. Hire him.

P.S. You like leather, right?

RichRed
08-19-2011, 03:42 PM
I always enjoy being reminded, even when things are going poorly for the Reds, that at least we're not the Cubs.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/rosenblog/chi-ricketts-makes-right-move-with-hendry-20110819,0,6607449.column

Unassisted
08-19-2011, 08:04 PM
Bad news for Reds fans.Could be, but perhaps not in the way you imagined.

Fay just tweeted (http://twitter.com/johnfayman/status/104689942462078976) that he wouldn't be surprised to see the Reds add him as a special assistant.

savafan
08-20-2011, 05:38 PM
Could be, but perhaps not in the way you imagined.

Fay just tweeted (http://twitter.com/johnfayman/status/104689942462078976) that he wouldn't be surprised to see the Reds add him as a special assistant.

If they add him to the bunch, and we look at the other guys who've been named special assistants to Jocketty, maybe we should be glad he hasn't made any moves.

jmcclain19
08-20-2011, 06:05 PM
Guy's lasted almost 10 years as the GM of a team in one of the biggest cities in the country, with one of the worst most front running fan bases in baseball.

I'd say he has done alright.

The fact that he was fired almost a month ago, yet kept it quiet, stayed on and did his job tells me more about the man than anything else.

So savaging him on the basis of a few of his awful LTC mistakes is patently unfair. Ted Lilly & Aramis Ramirez are proof he does occasionally know what he's doing.

And now, having defended Jim Hendry and the Cubs, I'm going to go take a shower.

Phhhl
08-21-2011, 03:28 AM
Let the Brett Jackson era begin!

CrackerJack
08-21-2011, 03:48 AM
The same needs to happen with Dusty.

fearofpopvol1
08-21-2011, 05:15 AM
I think Hendry was good when it came to trades and improving the team. His problem was contracts. He overpaid dramatically and it caught up to him in the end. I don't think he's a bad guy to have around.

Btw, Leather pants did an ESPN Insider piece about the Cubs and said the team's #1 target should be Pat Gillick. I can't list the other 20 or so he mentioned because it's paid content.

Roy Tucker
08-21-2011, 12:56 PM
If and when the Cubs ever get their act together, they would be formidable. Big city and huge fan base and they should be raking in the cash hand over fist. They really ought to be up there with the Yankees and Red Sox. Or at least with the White Sox.

When they were talking about Mark Cuban becoming their owner, I was truly afraid. If they ever get a truly serious owner/GM, they could really be something.

But.... I think there really is something to this goat curse. If it weren't for their bad luck, they'd have no luck at all. And they don't lack for pure stupidity and dumb moves.

But seeing that its happening to Cubs fans, I just laugh and laugh. Hope it continues for another 103 years.

cincinnati chili
08-21-2011, 03:33 PM
Could be, but perhaps not in the way you imagined.

Fay just tweeted (http://twitter.com/johnfayman/status/104689942462078976) that he wouldn't be surprised to see the Reds add him as a special assistant.

As others have intimated above, this wouldn't be such a bad thing. The guy has a lot of baseball knowledge at the pro and am level (former h.s. coach), and I'm told he's a class act. Not everyone who has value is a good fit at GM.

Tom Servo
08-21-2011, 07:03 PM
I think Hendry was good when it came to trades and improving the team. His problem was contracts. He overpaid dramatically and it caught up to him in the end. I don't think he's a bad guy to have around.

Btw, Leather pants did an ESPN Insider piece about the Cubs and said the team's #1 target should be Pat Gillick. I can't list the other 20 or so he mentioned because it's paid content.
The editors must have removed the part where he originally listed himself as #1.

Screwball
08-21-2011, 07:15 PM
The editors must have removed the part where he originally listed himself as #1.

:D

redsmetz
08-22-2011, 01:23 PM
Here's a follow up column from the Trib talking about prospective replacements

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0821-next-gm-cubs-future-chica20110821,0,7572084.story

Tom Servo
08-22-2011, 02:43 PM
Here's a follow up column from the Trib talking about prospective replacements

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/ct-spt-0821-next-gm-cubs-future-chica20110821,0,7572084.story
ESPN last night mentioned Gillick, Cashman and Friedman as well as Billy Beane.

Unassisted
08-22-2011, 06:11 PM
As others have intimated above, this wouldn't be such a bad thing. The guy has a lot of baseball knowledge at the pro and am level (former h.s. coach), and I'm told he's a class act. Not everyone who has value is a good fit at GM.See O'Brien, Dan and Krivsky, Wayne.

The problem with adding Hendry to the fold is that Walt Jocketty's getting closer to retirement and the Castellinis are apt to take his recommendation of a successor and promote from within. The stable of failed GMs that they are setting up around Walt are a pool from which the next Reds GM will likely emerge. It's cause for concern to think the Reds will repeat some other club's mistake. :(

Tom Servo
08-22-2011, 06:17 PM
I would rather have Hendry as the next GM than Bavasi, but admittedly that's not saying much.

redsmetz
08-22-2011, 09:57 PM
See O'Brien, Dan and Krivsky, Wayne.

The problem with adding Hendry to the fold is that Walt Jocketty's getting closer to retirement and the Castellinis are apt to take his recommendation of a successor and promote from within. The stable of failed GMs that they are setting up around Walt are a pool from which the next Reds GM will likely emerge. It's cause for concern to think the Reds will repeat some other club's mistake. :(

Well, that's the urban legend around RZ at least. I don't think that's a given. Both O'Brien and Krisvsky were hired from the outside. Every time a special assistant gets added, the sound chamber echoes here's the next GM.

mth123
08-22-2011, 10:09 PM
See O'Brien, Dan and Krivsky, Wayne.

The problem with adding Hendry to the fold is that Walt Jocketty's getting closer to retirement and the Castellinis are apt to take his recommendation of a successor and promote from within. The stable of failed GMs that they are setting up around Walt are a pool from which the next Reds GM will likely emerge. It's cause for concern to think the Reds will repeat some other club's mistake. :(

On that subject (maybe this should be its own thread), Walt's contract is up at the end of 2011. Anyone think that maybe his reluctance to parlay some kids into real players the last couple of years is because he doesn't want to deal off the future before walking away? I've been wondering that myself. Walt seem to be interested very little in winning now. I wonder if he's trying to make sure the cupboard isn't bare for his successor.

I have no info, but I wouldn't be surprised if Walt stepped down after the season.

Unassisted
08-22-2011, 11:03 PM
Well, that's the urban legend around RZ at least. I don't think that's a given. Both O'Brien and Krisvsky were hired from the outside. Every time a special assistant gets added, the sound chamber echoes here's the next GM.Yeah, but I don't ever remember a time when there has been so much hiring of FO staff with GM experience. In the past, many of the special assistants who were known quantities have turned out to be managers-in-waiting. (Bob Boone, Jerry Narron, et. al.)

We see the white hair, the laconic, measured delivery and the expiring contract and we infer that Walt isn't planning to spend his 70s and 80s making trades, negotiating contracts and checking the waiver wire.