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WVRedsFan
08-24-2011, 11:51 PM
Just heard on the MLB network that Mike Flanagan was found dead this afternoon. It was an apparent suicide. Flanagan mostly pitched for the Orioles and was pretty good in his time, winning 167 games according to news reports. He had been despondent over getting blamed for the team's futility.

Condolences to his family/

HeatherC1212
08-25-2011, 12:07 AM
I wasn't an Orioles fan during his time but this news is so tragic and sad. :( My thoughts and prayers go out to his family and the entire Orioles family too. I just heard that the O's play by play announcers found out during their game tonight and were crying on the air. That just makes my heart hurt. :(

RIP Mr. Flanagan

WVRedsFan
08-25-2011, 12:33 AM
Heather: They showed Jim Palmer in tears on the broadcast, after the game. Appartently he and Flanny were close. I really rejoyed watching Mike Flanagan pitch back in those days. I really feel for his family.

HeatherC1212
08-25-2011, 01:02 AM
I'm just reading about some of the things that were said and done after the game tonight and it's making me cry. He was definitely a beloved Oriole and he will be extremely missed by the entire organization. :(

And if this day couldn't be worse, it's actually Cal's birthday today. Can you imagine? What horrible news to find out on your birthday. :(

HeatherC1212
08-25-2011, 01:22 AM
Orioles Hangout Write Up About Flanagan (http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/113992-TT-Flanagan-s-death-is-painful-but-perhaps-he-s-at-peace-now)

This is a wonderful article from the managing editor of the Orioles Hangout that I felt compelled to share here tonight even though most folks here don't follow the O's on a regular basis. RIP Mike. :(

VR
08-25-2011, 01:27 AM
Just heard on the MLB network that Mike Flanagan was found dead this afternoon. It was an apparent suicide. Flanagan mostly pitched for the Orioles and was pretty good in his time, winning 167 games according to news reports. He had been despondent over getting blamed for the team's futility.Condolences to his family/

Don't understand this...wasn't he a broadcaster? Why would he be blamed for their futility?

savafan
08-25-2011, 03:40 AM
Don't understand this...wasn't he a broadcaster? Why would he be blamed for their futility?

I thought he was one of the team's co-general managers.

cumberlandreds
08-25-2011, 07:35 AM
Don't understand this...wasn't he a broadcaster? Why would he be blamed for their futility?

He worked wit their front office too. Broadcasting was kinda part time for him.
Flanagan was a very good pitcher for the Orioles in his day. He won a Cy Young award one season. I always thought he was a good broadcaster. He had a nice easy going manner about him. I hate to hear of his death and especially if it was a suicide.

redsmetz
08-25-2011, 08:02 AM
An interesting piece from Baseball-Reference's blog today

http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/14399

RANDY IN INDY
08-25-2011, 09:08 AM
Orioles Hangout Write Up About Flanagan (http://forum.orioleshangout.com/forums/showthread.php/113992-TT-Flanagan-s-death-is-painful-but-perhaps-he-s-at-peace-now)

This is a wonderful article from the managing editor of the Orioles Hangout that I felt compelled to share here tonight even though most folks here don't follow the O's on a regular basis. RIP Mike. :(

I follow that site, and the O's on a pretty regular basis Heather, as the O's are my favorite AL team. Just a terrible tragedy. Flanagan was an Oriole, through and through and a great competitor on the mound. Was a joy to watch him pitch for those Oriole teams.

George Anderson
08-25-2011, 09:38 AM
Just heard on the MLB network that Mike Flanagan was found dead this afternoon. It was an apparent suicide. Flanagan mostly pitched for the Orioles and was pretty good in his time, winning 167 games according to news reports. He had been despondent over getting blamed for the team's futility.
Condolences to his family/

I have a hard time believing someone would be that upset over a teams futility unless he had something else going on that was mentally affecting him.

Not to make light of this tragedy but look at the franchises like the Cubs, Lions or Clippers. If any front office people should be despondent over a teams futility it should be those guys.

cumberlandreds
08-25-2011, 09:57 AM
I have a hard time believing someone would be that upset over a teams futility unless he had something else going on that was mentally affecting him.

Not to make light of this tragedy but look at the franchises like the Cubs, Lions or Clippers. If any front office people should be despondent over a teams futility it should be those guys.

In the Oriole Hangout article the person writing said he knew Flanagan was having other problems too. So the team problems weren't the only thing going on in his life.

CySeymour
08-25-2011, 10:19 AM
Was it Flanagan who BCast hired as a consultant to evaluate the minor league pitching when he first took over the club?

marcshoe
08-25-2011, 11:02 AM
Jim Beattie was the consultant, I think.

marcshoe
08-25-2011, 11:05 AM
It's hard for me to believe that it was way back in '79 when Flanagan won the Cy Young. It seems much more recent when he was anchoring that rotation along with McGregor and Dennis Martinez, with Tippy (and Jim Palmer) in there somewhere. I feel as if I'm mixing different eras in my mind.

Strikes Out Looking
08-25-2011, 03:44 PM
Only one person is responsible for the O's futility. His name is Peter Angelos -- Flanigan was not responsible.

cumberlandreds
08-25-2011, 03:55 PM
It's hard for me to believe that it was way back in '79 when Flanagan won the Cy Young. It seems much more recent when he was anchoring that rotation along with McGregor and Dennis Martinez, with Tippy (and Jim Palmer) in there somewhere. I feel as if I'm mixing different eras in my mind.

I looked up the 1979 Orioles on Retrosheet. You are right on the money with those pitchers. Throw in Steve Stone and you have the mainstays of that staff and the staffs of the next few seasons with the Orioles.

cumberlandreds
08-25-2011, 03:59 PM
Here's an update on Flanagan. He was apparently having some financial issues according to this report. He died of a self inflicted gunshot wound to the head. Terribly sad.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=496&sid=2512228

HeatherC1212
08-26-2011, 10:03 PM
The O's first home game since Flanny died is tonight and they did a beautiful video tribute to him along with a few other touches that will go on until the end of the season. The players have a black patch with "Flanny" on it attached to the sleeves of their uniforms, they put an orange and black banner with 46 on it underneath the MASN booth, and the Orioles flag will fly at half mast for the rest of the home games. This article talks about things and also includes the MASN footage of what they did at the ballpark. Really nice tribute and apparently the Yankees and the O's both waited until the tribute was done before they took the field again. One of these days this whole thing will stop making me teary. :(

Link: http://www.masnsports.com/school_of_roch/2011/08/tribute-to-mike-flanagan.html

savafan
08-26-2011, 10:50 PM
Not wanting to get off topic, or delve into non-baseball territory, but I understand the need to grieve, however is paying such a tribute in a way, for lack of a better word, "glamorizing" suicide?

HeatherC1212
08-26-2011, 10:56 PM
Not wanting to get off topic, or delve into non-baseball territory, but I understand the need to grieve, however is paying such a tribute in a way, for lack of a better word, "glamorizing" suicide?

I don't think this tribute glamorized suicide at all. They just wanted to remember the good things that Mike brought to the Orioles when he pitched for them and honor him as a longtime Oriole supporter and friend. I don't think anyone there thinks of suicide as a good thing but it wouldn't have been right for them to not do something to remember their friend this week. Most of the things I've read about this situation do the same thing: remember the man as a player, teammate, and friend, but also most people are wishing that they could have done something to help him. There's no glamour here at all IMO.

BTW-The Orioles spanked the Yanks 12-5 tonight. That had to feel good for both the players and the fans.

Sea Ray
08-30-2011, 09:35 AM
I don't think this tribute glamorized suicide at all. They just wanted to remember the good things that Mike brought to the Orioles when he pitched for them and honor him as a longtime Oriole supporter and friend. I don't think anyone there thinks of suicide as a good thing but it wouldn't have been right for them to not do something to remember their friend this week. Most of the things I've read about this situation do the same thing: remember the man as a player, teammate, and friend, but also most people are wishing that they could have done something to help him. There's no glamour here at all IMO.

BTW-The Orioles spanked the Yanks 12-5 tonight. That had to feel good for both the players and the fans.

The glamour comes from wearing a patch and changing the position of the flags for the rest of the year. If they wanted to do this for a night in order to bring closure, fine but this is a tribute of honor and there's nothing honorary about what he did. Putting a bullet through your head is one of the most selfish acts one can do.

I don't see the reverence in this. The guy blew off his own face with a shotgun, and now the team is honoring him. He was a valued member of the organization, but by doing this, I'm not sure you maintain that stature.

If he had killed anyone else, would've it been OK? So why is it OK to kill yourself? He took a shotgun and blew away a human being. He robbed himself and everyone else of his future.

It's a drag that he had these demons which led himself to this. But taking a life is not generally worth a celebration.


By the way, it's proven that the more attention given to suicide, the more suicides are generated since it becomes "acceptable" to some.

oneupper
08-30-2011, 10:10 AM
The Orioles considered Flanagan an important part of their history and legacy and decided to honor that, regardless of how his life ended.
There's nothing wrong with that. What's more, I applaud the Orioles for looking past the collateral issues.

As for the stuff like:


If he had killed anyone else, would've it been OK? So why is it OK to kill yourself? He took a shotgun and blew away a human being. He robbed himself and everyone else of his future.

We can take that discussion outside (to the non-baseball side) if you wish. I disagree with you strongly.

Sea Ray
08-30-2011, 10:19 AM
The Orioles considered Flanagan an important part of their history and legacy and decided to honor that, regardless of how his life ended.
There's nothing wrong with that. What's more, I applaud the Orioles for looking past the collateral issues.




We can take that discussion outside (to the non-baseball side) if you wish. I disagree with you strongly.

Oh yeah. I know my opinion is politically incorrect. Suffice to say, I'd never bother to go to a funeral of someone who killed himself. Per your advice, I'll move the discussion of whether the O's should honor him to the political forum.