PDA

View Full Version : Dusty Wont Quit on 2011



FireDusty
08-28-2011, 09:29 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110826/SPT04/108270340/Fay-Dusty-won-t-quit-2011?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Reds

It is so obvious that it's more important for Dusty Baker to be able to say he finshed over .500 (this man is all about stats) than to get this club ready for next year.

This guy is a joke. Him starting Fred Lewis in any game for the rest of this season should result in his emmediate firing.

God we have a horrible manager. The most mismatched, bad fit, managerial situation in all of baseball.

These wins mean nothing. These wins are about Dusty Baker wanting to make sure his record as Reds manager is as close to .500 as possible.

Never have we ever had a manager that is as bad a fit & is as bad for the developement of young players that Dusty Baker.

Vottomatic
08-28-2011, 10:33 AM
Definitely need a change. These guys are on holiday/vacation time with toothpick manning the ship.

mroby85
08-28-2011, 11:06 AM
If his selfishness leads to wins, I hope he gets extra selfish next year because he's been very giving this year in my opinion lol.

Crumbley
08-28-2011, 11:09 AM
Alonso is so bad out there that it's almost an insult to the game. Dusty doesn't want the circus and I don't blame him.

People didn't pay big league prices to see Spring Training, put the guys out there who you think will win you the most games. It's important to put together some semblance of momentum as an organization with back to back winning seasons.

will5979
08-28-2011, 12:24 PM
I agree Fred Lewis is a joke, I despise him. The starting lineup EVERYDAY should be

Sappelt LF
Cozart-SS
Votto 1B
Phillips-2B
Bruce RF
Cairo-Yes Cairo-3B
Stubbs-CF
Hernandez/Hannigan-C

Stray
08-28-2011, 01:36 PM
It might not mean anything to you, but I'm assuming it means a lot to the players to go out there and try to finish the year on a high note. I don't think they want to abandon the year. That doesn't mean we can't play young guys, which we have been, it means that we still should be trying to win games.

Sappelt has been getting a lot of playing time. So far he's shown to be an average hitter, lazy defender, and bad base runner. He's not exactly taking advantage of his opportunity.

My only real gripe is the lack of PT for Alonso, I think he will at least play hard and give it his all. That is all we can ask from him for now, and with his bat I think it would be worth giving him more of a look.

And to the poster above me, Cozart would be our everyday SS but he got hurt. Phillips has been money in the leadoff spot, and Sappelt was bad in that role.

Krawhitham
08-28-2011, 01:52 PM
It might not mean anything to you, but I'm assuming it means a lot to the players to go out there and try to finish the year on a high note. I don't think they want to abandon the year. That doesn't mean we can't play young guys, which we have been, it means that we still should be trying to win games.

Only young guys he is playing he is being forced to play because of injuries

Hi-C being out has forced Sappelt to get playing time, but Fred still gets most of the playing time

Frazier is playing because Rolen is out, Frazier a .260 AAA hitter that translated into a .236 ML hitter. Why on earth is Juan Francisco still in AAA. He has had a better season than Frazier or Yonder.

Juan Francisco has the best arm in the International League according to Baseball America. Maybe the Reds are afraid Francisco will prove he is better than Rolen even when Rolen is healthy and they do not want the media fallout

Krawhitham
08-28-2011, 01:56 PM
This season is over

Assume the Brewers completely collapse and play .300 ball the rest of the way

The Reds would have to go 23-7 the rest of the way just to tie with the brewers

Stray
08-28-2011, 01:58 PM
Only young guys he is playing he is being forced to play because of injuries

Hi-C being out has forced Sappelt to get playing time, but Fred still gets most of the playing time

Frazier is playing because Rolen is out, Frazier a .260 AAA hitter that translated into a .236 ML hitter. Why on earth is Juan Francisco still in AAA. He has had a better season than Frazier or Yonder.

Juan Francisco has the best arm in the International League according to Baseball America. Maybe the Reds are afraid Francisco will prove he is better than Rolen even when Rolen is healthy and they do not want the media fallout

He plays Stubbs everyday. Bruce everyday. Gave Cozart the starting job after calling him up. Ended up giving Heisey the everyday LF job. Was playing Sappelt in LF everyday. He's finding ways to play Frazier a lot.

Like I said, my only gripe is about Alonso. I think it's obvious Walt and Dusty aren't on the same page there or he wouldn't be up here. When you're a late call-up like Sappelt you better make sure that none of your mistakes are hustle related.

Krawhitham
08-28-2011, 02:27 PM
He plays Stubbs everyday. Bruce everyday. Gave Cozart the starting job after calling him up. Ended up giving Heisey the everyday LF job. Was playing Sappelt in LF everyday. He's finding ways to play Frazier a lot.


He has no other CF

Bruce has a LTC so he will play everyday

Cozart got the starts 75% of the time for a grand total of 16 days

Hi-C got the job because Walt traded Gomes, no other reason

If Rolen was healthy Frazier would not play at all

One way or another if a young player is getting regular playing time on this team it is because Dusty has limited options

nux fan
08-28-2011, 02:29 PM
Yes it is vital to expose Lewis because he has great potential

Stray
08-28-2011, 02:35 PM
He has no other CF

Bruce has a LTC so he will play everyday

Cozart got the starts 75% of the time for a grand total of 16 days

Hi-C got the job because Walt traded Gomes, no other reason

If Rolen was healthy Frazier would not play at all

One way or another if a young player is getting regular playing time on this team it is because Dusty has limited options

I was just posting young guys that we play. I hear so much about Dusty not playing young guys but all I see on our team is young guys. Cozart's injury was unfortunate, but he was indeed brought up to be our starting SS. Gomes wasn't even close to being an everyday player before he got traded so I have no idea what would make you think that affected Heisey.

Well yeah, obviously about Rolen. That's kind of how baseball works though, a veteran gets injured and then a young unknown gets an opportunity. It's not like Frazier's stats would warrant him jumping everyone ahead of him or anything. But unlike others, he was given the opportunity and is making the best out of it. He's versatile and plays hard.

kfm
08-28-2011, 03:00 PM
Only young guys he is playing he is being forced to play because of injuries

Hi-C being out has forced Sappelt to get playing time, but Fred still gets most of the playing time

Frazier is playing because Rolen is out, Frazier a .260 AAA hitter that translated into a .236 ML hitter. Why on earth is Juan Francisco still in AAA. He has had a better season than Frazier or Yonder.

Juan Francisco has the best arm in the International League according to Baseball America. Maybe the Reds are afraid Francisco will prove he is better than Rolen even when Rolen is healthy and they do not want the media fallout
I just think it is funny that heisey is no longer a young player because now someone younger is up. Dusty is not anti young players, he is pro his guys whether they be old like Rolen, Cairo or young like Stubbs, Cueto, Bruce, Bailey, Votto, Leake. I am not saying this is right or wrong but, I just think you have to ignore an awful lot of reality to determine he is anti young player. Not to mention he played the only young player, Cozart, he was given before the latest wave of youngsters. While I am not crazy about Dusty, even though I don't blame him for every single loss, I am far more frustrated with Walt this year. The Hernandez thing was the last straw. Outside of Rolen and Cairo, what has walt done. And for those of you who believe dusty is the single worst manager in the history of the world, why doesn't walt see what you all see and fire dusty.

nmculbreth
08-28-2011, 03:17 PM
I'm far from a Dusty Baker fan, but what would you expect him to do?

By and large managers are judged by their win-loss records and as a result it's not surprising that Baker (or most other MLB managers) would be inclined to put a team on the field that gives the team the best opportunity to win. As a fan who wants the club to act in their best long-term interest, I'd rather sacrifice a few wins to play some of the younger guys to see who can be a solution going forward but I have a tough time faulting a guy whose livelihood depends on winning for not doing so.

Mutaman
08-28-2011, 03:19 PM
[QUOTE=Crumbley;2472870]Alonso is so bad out there that it's almost an insult to the game. Dusty doesn't want the circus and I don't blame him.
QUOTE]


I think its very reasonable to make such a judgment based on 3 games in Wrigley field. Just like it was reasonable to put Cozart in the HOF based on the handful of games he played.

Roush's socks
08-28-2011, 03:37 PM
This whole "once you're out of the playoff race the season is over and wins are meaningless" is a new thing in baseball, and isn't appropriate to the sport. That is more of a NBA or NFL thing. In baseball you play every game to win. In theory every game is a "championship" game if you look at the writing on the baseball. Regular season statistics have meaning. Players like Ernie Banks go into the HOF based entirely on regular season performance. Important records like the Ruth/Maris/Bonds HR record are based on regular season performance.

In other words, Votto could still win the batting title. Cueto could lead the league in ERA. Bruce could finish towards the top of the HR leaders, after making the Allstar team for the 1st time. In hindsight that is a pretty good accomplishment for his age. There are many things to still be excited about and reasons to watch the game. Of course we wish that we were in the pennant race, but the Brewers have been hot and are going to win the division. That's how it goes sometimes. But is the Reds finish 2nd with a winning record, after having 4 players make the Allstar team, and Votto and Cueto possibly having memorable seasons, you can't say the season was such a disaster. Too much gloom and doom on this board and spoiled fans not appreciating how hard it is to have success.

TheBigLebowski
08-28-2011, 03:43 PM
I gotta admit...I know these games are largely meaningless, but I would love to finish ahead of St. Louis.

jwmann2
08-28-2011, 04:16 PM
I agree Fred Lewis is a joke, I despise him. The starting lineup EVERYDAY should be

Sappelt LF
Cozart-SS
Votto 1B
Phillips-2B
Bruce RF
Cairo-Yes Cairo-3B
Stubbs-CF
Hernandez/Hannigan-C

Sappelt is only up here because Heisey is injured. Heisey should be back very soon according to Hal Mccoy.

Mutaman
08-28-2011, 05:28 PM
But is the Reds finish 2nd with a winning record, after having 4 players make the Allstar team, and Votto and Cueto possibly having memorable seasons, you can't say the season was such a disaster. Too much gloom and doom on this board and spoiled fans not appreciating how hard it is to have success.


Wrong- this season has been a disaster. And winning some meaningless games in September isn't going to change that. And if there's one thing Reds fans are not, its "spoiled".

nux fan
08-28-2011, 05:33 PM
the season is an abomination with dozens of winnable games booted away

texasdave
08-28-2011, 05:49 PM
Another baseball tradition is playing the kids late in the season when a team is obviously out of it. For a lot of fans seeing what the kids from the minors can do at the major league represents hope. And, in many cases, it is the main driver of excitement late in failed seasons. And, make no mistake, this is a failed season for this team.

nux fan
08-28-2011, 06:12 PM
but no, I must see Renteria, I mean lewis, I mean cairo, I mean hernandez, I mean masset, I mean ondruzek

Vottomatic
08-28-2011, 07:42 PM
I gotta admit...I know these games are largely meaningless, but I would love to finish ahead of St. Louis.

Me too.

defender
08-28-2011, 07:58 PM
the season is an abomination with dozens of winnable games booted away

I don't think the season is an abomination, but too many winnable games have been blown. It is a young team, and I think they need to win as many games as possible. I don't want to see the same problems next year.

smixsell
08-29-2011, 01:29 AM
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20110826/SPT04/108270340/Fay-Dusty-won-t-quit-2011?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Reds

It is so obvious that it's more important for Dusty Baker to be able to say he finshed over .500 (this man is all about stats) than to get this club ready for next year.

This guy is a joke. Him starting Fred Lewis in any game for the rest of this season should result in his emmediate firing.

God we have a horrible manager. The most mismatched, bad fit, managerial situation in all of baseball.

These wins mean nothing. These wins are about Dusty Baker wanting to make sure his record as Reds manager is as close to .500 as possible.

Never have we ever had a manager that is as bad a fit & is as bad for the developement of young players that Dusty Baker.

You nailed it.

smixsell
08-29-2011, 01:30 AM
the season is an abomination with dozens of winnable games booted away

Spot on.

smixsell
08-29-2011, 01:33 AM
Wrong- this season has been a disaster. And winning some meaningless games in September isn't going to change that. And if there's one thing Reds fans are not, its "spoiled".

Bullseye. What an ass Baker is. Who gives a crap whether we finish a few over or a few under .500. Only LOSERS think like that. We should be getting young players ready to compete next year.

nux fan
08-29-2011, 01:45 AM
that comment is big time, the observation is huge,

redssince75
08-29-2011, 09:51 AM
This whole "once you're out of the playoff race the season is over and wins are meaningless" is a new thing in baseball, and isn't appropriate to the sport. That is more of a NBA or NFL thing. In baseball you play every game to win. In theory every game is a "championship" game if you look at the writing on the baseball. Regular season statistics have meaning. Players like Ernie Banks go into the HOF based entirely on regular season performance. Important records like the Ruth/Maris/Bonds HR record are based on regular season performance.

In other words, Votto could still win the batting title. Cueto could lead the league in ERA. Bruce could finish towards the top of the HR leaders, after making the Allstar team for the 1st time. In hindsight that is a pretty good accomplishment for his age. There are many things to still be excited about and reasons to watch the game. Of course we wish that we were in the pennant race, but the Brewers have been hot and are going to win the division. That's how it goes sometimes. But is the Reds finish 2nd with a winning record, after having 4 players make the Allstar team, and Votto and Cueto possibly having memorable seasons, you can't say the season was such a disaster. Too much gloom and doom on this board and spoiled fans not appreciating how hard it is to have success.

Are you Ricky Bobby's daddy?

"If you're not first, you're last."

"I never said that. That don't even make no sense. You could be second, third, fourth...."

BTW good post, I pretty much agree. Otherwise there would be no such thing as Cubs or Indians fans, etc.

texasdave
08-29-2011, 11:18 AM
Baseball was, is and always will be a team sport. Joey Baseball is my favorite player but he would have to give the MVP Trophy back, Johnny Cueto is a bonafide ace but he would have to return the Cy Young Award and any other player winning individual awards would have to toss them on the pile if it meant a playoff berth for the Reds. Those three playoff games against the Phillies were ambrosia for this thirsty fan.
Sorry. Winning a few extra games means nothing compared to getting ready for the 2012 season.

nux fan
08-30-2011, 06:26 PM
dusty is pulling out all the stops, with cairo, lewis and renteria I am sure all the fans are ecstatic

Vottomatic
08-30-2011, 08:42 PM
dusty is pulling out all the stops, with cairo, lewis and renteria I am sure all the fans are ecstatic

I was hoping they'd bring up Hermida and entice Jim Edmonds out of retirement and play both of them tonight. I was also hoping they'd play Ramon Hernandez at 1B tonight and sit Votto.

Then I might go to the game.