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TheBigLebowski
09-05-2011, 12:08 PM
Stole the idea for this thread from the ORG. Seems like an enjoyable discussion.

Here's mine, and I am probably going to date myself with these:

1. Peter Edward Rose
2. John Bench
3. Barry Larkin
4. Eric Davis
5. Joe Morgan

BLark = HOF
09-05-2011, 12:18 PM
1. Ken Griffey Jr
2. Pete Rose


3. Johnny Bench


4. Barry Larkin
5. Joe Morgan



No where does it say during their Reds career, and Jr is the greatest player of my lifetime.

Vottomatic
09-05-2011, 12:40 PM
No order:

Bench, Rose, Morgan, Frank Robinson, Jim Maloney

redram
09-05-2011, 12:44 PM
Stole the idea for this thread from the ORG. Seems like an enjoyable discussion.

Here's mine, and I am probably going to date myself with these:

1. Peter Edward Rose
2. John Bench
3. Barry Larkin
4. Eric Davis
5. Joe Morgan

I would replace Eric Davis with Tony Perez. I loved E but T.P. was one of the best clutch hitters ever.

nux fan
09-05-2011, 12:49 PM
how about

1) Dallas Williams
2) Jake Wood
3) Mike Grace
4) Jay Ward
5) Andy Larkin?

drowg14
09-05-2011, 01:31 PM
How can nobody have Brandon Larson. Pokey Reese needs some love too.

But in all seriousness.

Bench
Morgan
Rose
Larkin
Robinson

If you say top 5 who played for Reds, then slide Jr. up to the top, shift everyone else one down.

nux fan
09-05-2011, 02:08 PM
great point I must re edit

1) Brandon Larson
2) Greg Tubbs
3) Greg Cadaret
4) Greg garrett
5) Tommy Gregg

texasdave
09-05-2011, 02:09 PM
how about

1) Dallas Williams
2) Jake Wood
3) Mike Grace
4) Jay Ward
5) Andy Larkin?

those five are huge they would be dealin' bigtime

texasdave
09-05-2011, 02:10 PM
great point I must re edit

1) Brandon Larson
2) Greg Tubbs
3) Greg Cadaret
4) Greg garrett
5) Tommy Gregg

if you could these five going at the same time people would see some bigtime huge dealin'

texasdave
09-05-2011, 02:14 PM
1) Pete Rose - Reds baseball. Not the best player but the all-time face of the franchise.
2) Johnny Bench - Best. Catcher. Ever.
3) Joe Morgan - Best. Second Baseman. Ever.
4) Frank Robinson - a mean, mean man who swung a lethal wooden weapon.
5) Barry Larkin - Did everything extremely well.

If we could put managers on the list then make room for Sparky. But who gets bumped? I have no idea. Tony Perez was my favorite during the BRM Era. I wanted to put him on there so badly.

nux fan
09-05-2011, 02:27 PM
if baker were managing dave van gorder, he would try to get van gorder goin' big time

Vottomatic
09-05-2011, 02:42 PM
It would be better to do a top 10:

Again, in no particular order -
Bench
Morgan
Rose
Perez
Robinson
Kluzewski
E. Davis
Maloney
Rijo
Soto

Vottomatic
09-05-2011, 02:46 PM
Paul Householder
Jack Armstrong
Eddie Miliner
Eric Owens
Willy Tavares

Jon Nunnally
Chris Stynes
Dave Van Gorder
Jimmy Haynes
Eric Milton

nux fan
09-05-2011, 03:06 PM
stynes was epic , along with mike frank
milton was gargantuan along with Kevin Jarvis
nunnally was Brobdinagian along with eric anthony
dave van gorder was huge along with roberto petagaine

Roush's socks
09-05-2011, 03:13 PM
1) Pete Rose - Reds baseball. Not the best player but the all-time face of the franchise.
2) Johnny Bench - Best. Catcher. Ever.
3) Joe Morgan - Best. Second Baseman. Ever.
4) Frank Robinson - a mean, mean man who swung a lethal wooden weapon.
5) Barry Larkin - Did everything extremely well.

If we could put managers on the list then make room for Sparky. But who gets kicked bumped? I have no idea. Tony Perez was my favorite during the BRM Era. I wanted to put him on there so badly.

Agree with this list, although Rose, Bench and Morgan could each be #1.

Fans should remember Edd Roush who was a HOF CF and star of the 1919 WS champions, won 2 batting titles and was considered the best NL CF pre WWII.

Pete4prez
09-05-2011, 07:23 PM
In no particular order, Rose...Bench... Morgan...Robinson...Larkin... my apologies to Eric Davis. In looking at the previous post in this thread it looks like these five are the most consistantly mentioned.

izzy's dad
09-05-2011, 07:30 PM
I wasn't around for those Big Red Machine days, and I am too young to remember 1990. So in my lifetime these are the top 5 Reds:

1: Barry Larkin
2: Ken Griffey Jr.
3: Joey Votto
4: Adam Dunn
5: Brandon Phillips

Sorry I wasn't around to see the truly great teams of 75 76.

mroby85
09-05-2011, 07:32 PM
I wasn't around for those Big Red Machine days, and I am too young to remember 1990. So in my lifetime these are the top 5 Reds:

1: Barry Larkin
2: Ken Griffey Jr.
3: Joey Votto
4: Adam Dunn
5: Brandon Phillips

Sorry I wasn't around to see the truly great teams of 75 76.

Same here, Based on the years I have seen I would say

1- Joey Votto
2- Barry Larkin
3- Brandon Phillips

I don't really feel like anyone else has been noteworthy lol.

will5979
09-05-2011, 07:33 PM
1. Rose-All time hit leader, 3 rings, MVP, WS MVP, the face of the Reds franchise.
2. Bench-Best Catcher ever, 2 MVPs, 2 rings.
3. Morgan-Probably the best 2B of all time, 2 rings, Back-to-back MVPs.
4. Roush-1 ring, one of the best early CFers in baseball.
5. Perez-2 rings, RBI clutch hitter for the BRM.

Honorable mentions...
6. Larkin-wanted him in the top 5 but damn did he stay hurt a lot.
7. Knuxhall-more so for the broadcasting career.
8. Davis-was the man of the late 80s and the 90 World Series.
9. Lombardi-HOFer, MVP, and 1940 World Series ring.
10.Davey Concepcion-possibly the best Reds SS ever, 2 rings.

Tuff Nut
09-05-2011, 08:16 PM
Rose, Bench, Morgan, Perez, and Concepcion.

webbbj
09-05-2011, 08:51 PM
No where does it say during their Reds career, and Jr is the greatest player of my lifetime.

did you forget barry lamar bonds played during your lifetime?

Krawhitham
09-05-2011, 10:09 PM
In no order

Eppa Rixey
Dolf Luque
Tony Pérez
Johnny Bench
Frank Robinson

TheBigLebowski
09-06-2011, 10:00 AM
Timmy Birtsas
Ron Robinson
Rob Murphy
Junior Kennedy
Luis Quinones

nux fan
09-06-2011, 10:58 AM
birtsas involved in rijo trade
robinson almost had perfect game against expos
quinones - cairo
jinior kennedy = jim stewart
rob murphy rose warmed him up 10,000 times

how about

randy st. claire'
andy mcgaffigan'
ben hayes
jeff gray
'and
Steve Fioster

TheBigLebowski
09-06-2011, 11:09 AM
birtsas involved in rijo trade
robinson almost had perfect game against expos
quinones - cairo
jinior kennedy = jim stewart
rob murphy rose warmed him up 10,000 times

how about

randy st. claire' - sidearm reliever, correct?
andy mcgaffigan' - non-quality starter
ben hayes - memory fails me here
jeff gray - crummy reliever
'and
Steve Fioster - another non-quality starter?

Here's more..


Bill Gullickson
Rolando Roomes
Mo Sanford
Ted Power
Marc Kroon

texasdave
09-06-2011, 11:16 AM
Gookie Dawkins. End of discussion.

nux fan
09-06-2011, 11:22 AM
gullickson once struck out 16
roomes another great potential player like ruben rivera
power acquired from Dodgers
sanfordwon his first game
kroon = useless

How about
Terry Lee
Tim Belk
Tim Pugh
Bob Barton
Brad Pennington

texasdave
09-06-2011, 11:28 AM
In 2001 Kimera Bartee went to the plate 19 times and is still looking for his first hit of the season.

nux fan
09-06-2011, 11:45 AM
check out dallas williams performance with the reds
and also steve christmas

BLark = HOF
09-06-2011, 06:16 PM
did you forget barry lamar bonds played during your lifetime?

Did you forget Barry Lamar Bonds took steroids?? Aka a cheater.

Krawhitham
09-06-2011, 06:57 PM
did you forget barry lamar bonds played during your lifetime?




Did you forget Barry Lamar Bonds took steroids?? Aka a cheater.

Did you both forget Baroid never played for the Reds?

Roush's socks
09-06-2011, 07:03 PM
you can make an argument for my namesake Edd Roush to be #5 in front of Larkin. Roush has better hitting statistics with many seasons in the OPS+ range of 150-160 and in the top 5 in the NL. Larkin only had one season that is comparable. Roush was also considered to be the best defensive CF in the NL and has great stats for the time. He was the best player on the WS champ 1919 team, and he had more good seasons than Larkin. As good as Larkin was he was #2 to Eric Davis until ED wound up being injury prone.

texasdave
09-06-2011, 07:15 PM
Top eight seasons according to WAR:


LARKIN ROUSH
6.8 5.7
6.5 5.6
6.2 5.5
6.1 5.2
5.6 5.0
5.5 4.6
5.4 3.7
5.3 3.6

t5BigRedMachine
09-06-2011, 08:01 PM
1. johnny bench
2. frank robinson
3. barry larkin
4. joe morgan
5. vada pinson
5. lee may
5. tony perez
5. chris sabo

very hard to narrow it down . :beerme:

webbbj
09-06-2011, 08:03 PM
Did you both forget Baroid never played for the Reds?

he said griffey was the greatest player of his lifetime, not reds specific. his response was laughable.

Roush's socks
09-06-2011, 09:16 PM
Top eight seasons according to WAR:


LARKIN ROUSH
6.8 5.7
6.5 5.6
6.2 5.5
6.1 5.2
5.6 5.0
5.5 4.6
5.4 3.7
5.3 3.6

The defensive WAR stats for his era are doubtful at best. If you read books like "The Glory of our Times" he was considered a great defensive CF, second only to Tris Speaker of the American League. But DWAR doesn't give him much credit.

Also, WAR is a cumulative stat and they played a shorter season in his era.

If you look at their hitting stats you'll see that Roush was a top 5 offensive player in many stats for many years. Larkin was hardly ever a top 10 in any offensive stat.

I love Barry Larkin and ultimatley he probably ranks ahead of Roush, but it is close to a toss up IMO.

texasdave
09-06-2011, 09:28 PM
The defensive WAR stats for his era are doubtful at best. If you read books like "The Glory of our Times" he was considered a great defensive CF, second only to Tris Speaker of the American League. But DWAR doesn't give him much credit.

Also, WAR is a cumulative stat and they played a shorter season in his era.

If you look at their hitting stats you'll see that Roush was a top 5 offensive player in many stats for many years. Larkin was hardly ever a top 10 in any offensive stat.

I love Barry Larkin and ultimatley he probably ranks ahead of Roush, but it is close to a toss up IMO.

Obviously, I never saw Roush play. I am sure he was a fine player. I didn't vote for players I never saw. Fair or unfair I dont know. Of the players I saw Barry Larkin is in the top five. That is impressive when you consider that a HOF Tony Perez didn't make it in.

Roush's socks
09-06-2011, 10:03 PM
Obviously, I never saw Roush play. I am sure he was a fine player. I didn't vote for players I never saw. Fair or unfair I dont know. Of the players I saw Barry Larkin is in the top five. That is impressive when you consider that a HOF Tony Perez didn't make it in.

Larkin is one of my favorite players and I met him his rookie season at an auto signing in Evansville. I think he should be in the HOF since he compares favorably to many SS's in the Hall. I have seen him ranked as high as 3 or 4 alltime on a major baseball history website. Others would rank him lower.

He is difficult to rank alltime because you have to ask--- how much are you going to take into consideration the fact that he was injured a lot and had relatively few full season? There is no doubt that at his best and when healthy he was a great SS and the best in baseball for a period. That Bary Larkin would have to rank very high alltime. On the other hand, he only played over 140 games 7 seasons. The fact is he missed time in most of his seasons as a Red and wasn't there all the time contributing. Some woud say that has to be a factor compared to a player who plays 150-160 games every year hand has very consistent results, even if their ceiling is lower. I'm not sure how I feel or maybe it is two different rankings, peak value and career value.

nux fan
09-06-2011, 11:16 PM
five greatest reds shortstops

1) Kelly Paris
2) Neil Fiala
3) Rafael Santo Domingo
4) Woody Woodward
5) Gookie Dawkins

40YrRedsFan
09-06-2011, 11:31 PM
1. Pete Rose 10. Ted Kluszewski
2. Frank Robinson
3. Barry Larkin
4. Johnny Bench
5. Vada Pinson
6. Ed Roush
7. Jim Maloney
8. Tony Perez
9. Eppa Rixey

code
09-07-2011, 02:10 PM
1. Barry Larkin
2. Pete Rose
3. Frank Robinson
4. Johnny Bench
5. Brandon Phillips (that is right, I said it.)

Roush's socks
09-07-2011, 02:53 PM
It's hard to tell which are serious lists, but some of you are leaving off Joe Morgan. In case you forgot he is considered by many experts to be THE greatest 2B ever or at least top 3

smixsell
09-07-2011, 03:22 PM
1-2 (tie) Johnny Bench & Pete Rose
3. Frank Robinson
4. Barry Larkin
5. Ted Kluszewski

smixsell
09-07-2011, 03:26 PM
It's hard to tell which are serious lists, but some of you are leaving off Joe Morgan. In case you forgot he is considered by many experts to be THE greatest 2B ever or at least top 3

I left him off because he didn't play that many years with the Reds and didn't have great career numbers as his "prime" was short. In 1975 and 76 he was as good as any 2B ever IMO, but those years were WAY out of line with his other years.

brm7675
09-07-2011, 04:02 PM
1. Johnny Bench
2. Pete Rose
3. Joe Morgan
4. Big Klu
5. Edd Roush

redsfanmia
09-07-2011, 06:40 PM
1. Joe Nuxhall
2. John Bench
3. Pete Rose
4. Barry Larkin
5. Tony Perez

texasdave
09-07-2011, 07:02 PM
1. Joe Nuxhall
2. John Bench
3. Pete Rose
4. Barry Larkin
5. Tony Perez

I can see Nuxie for his overall contribution as a player and as a broadcaster. But if we are including folks besides players, I would stick Sparky Anderson on my list.

redsfanmia
09-07-2011, 08:09 PM
I can see Nuxie for his overall contribution as a player and as a broadcaster. But if we are including folks besides players, I would stick Sparky Anderson on my list.

I might put Gordy Coleman on my list before sparky, he was only with the Reds for 8 years

texasdave
09-07-2011, 08:50 PM
I might put Gordy Coleman on my list before sparky, he was only with the Reds for 8 years

Nine years. Oh, yeah, an average of 96 wins a year and 4 appearances in the World Series. And, incidentally, Sparky was with the team longer than Gordy Coleman.

redsfanmia
09-09-2011, 06:52 PM
Nine years. Oh, yeah, an average of 96 wins a year and 4 appearances in the World Series. And, incidentally, Sparky was with the team longer than Gordy Coleman.

Gordy had a long relationship with the Reds organization. There is more to being a Red than being a player or manager.

texasdave
09-10-2011, 09:48 AM
Gordy had a long relationship with the Reds organization. There is more to being a Red than being a player or manager.

Ask around. Simple question. Gordy Coleman or Sparky Anderson? I think we all know whom most people will choose. You like Gordy. Knock yourself out. Plenty of empty seats on that bandwagon.

texasdave
09-10-2011, 09:56 AM
When they put a life-sized statue of Gordy Coleman at the ballpark then we can talk.

Ohayou
09-10-2011, 10:33 AM
Being the youngin that I am...

1. Barry Larkin
2. Joey Votto
3. Adam Dunn
4. Brandon Phillips
5. Sean Casey

Griffey was far too injury prone to make the list, so he gets an honorable mention instead.

redsfanmia
09-10-2011, 04:33 PM
Ask around. Simple question. Gordy Coleman or Sparky Anderson? I think we all know whom most people will choose. You like Gordy. Knock yourself out. Plenty of empty seats on that bandwagon.

Why hate on Gordy? All I am saying is that while Sparky was a great
Red he was only with the team less than 9 years.