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WVRedsFan
09-08-2011, 01:02 AM
Aaron Harang is now 13-5 with a 3.74. I only mention this because he was much maligned last year and maybe the year before. Which starters can have those stats? Not Bailey, nor Leake, nor nor Volquez, nor Arroyo, nor anyone save Cueto. The guy pitched 7 innings tonight allowing 4 hits and a run. But then again, he's pitching in Petco Park, but was he the guy to release and not Arroyo. Aaron was a good citizen. Hindsight is 20/20, but did the Reds really give him a chance?

Regardless, I hope he continues to shine. He deserves it.

reds44
09-08-2011, 01:15 AM
Me thinks Arroyo would have similar/better results in Petco.

CTA513
09-08-2011, 01:53 AM
Hes not what he used to be in his better days with the Reds, but its nice to see hes doing better then how he finished with the Reds.

13 wins this season his 1 more win then he had in his final 2 seasons with the Reds.

Ron Madden
09-08-2011, 03:58 AM
Me thinks Arroyo would have similar/better results in Petco.

Not all of Aaron's wins have been in San Diego.

Tom Servo
09-08-2011, 04:23 AM
He wasn't released, he just wasn't resigned after three high-paid, disappointing seasons. I really liked Aaron and still root for him, but there's little doubt in my mind it was time to let him start anew after 2010.

GAC
09-08-2011, 04:24 AM
but was he the guy to release and not Arroyo. Aaron was a good citizen. Hindsight is 20/20, but did the Reds really give him a chance?

Harang's contract was up. There was a 12.5M club option for 2011. Seeing that he went 6-17 in 2008, 6-14 in 2009, 6-7 last year (and was on the DL), I have no problem with what the Reds did. So the Reds gave him a chance.

And best of luck to Aaron who is from San Diego to begin with.

WebScorpion
09-08-2011, 04:27 AM
Not all of Aaron's wins have been in San Diego.
He actually WINS more on the road, but he PITCHES better in Petco:


SPLIT TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO IP H R ER HR HB BB IBB SO AVG WHIP GO/AO
Home SD 7 4 3.30 15 15 0 0 95.1 86 38 35 11 3 32 2 64 .243 1.24 1.12
Away SD 6 1 4.47 10 10 0 0 56.1 72 29 28 5 0 21 2 48 .319 1.65 0.94
CAREER 94 92 4.27 265 259 13 6 1603.1 1704 807 761 213 46 460 36 1317 .274 1.35 0.88


I join GAC and everyone else in saying I have no problem with the Reds decision to not re-sign him and I wish him all the best in the rest of his career. :thumbup:

_Sir_Charles_
09-08-2011, 10:46 AM
Personally, I'm kinda stunned by the 2:1 Ratio in HR's allowed at home vs the road.

lollipopcurve
09-08-2011, 11:02 AM
Good for Harang. I, for one, am surprised he's bounced back so well. It looked to me like he'd completely lost his slider in his latter days with the Reds. It was pretty clear he'd been beaten down by the homer-friendly home ballpark, too.

Patrick Bateman
09-08-2011, 11:05 AM
He's basically the same pitcher as the last few years.

Toss in some reasonable luck and a pitcher's park, and he was a prime rebound candidate. Nothing special, but a solid back end rotation guy at this point.

RedsManRick
09-08-2011, 11:15 AM
K% BB% HR/FB BABIP ERA FIP xFIP
2010 16.3 7.5 10.4 .338 5.32 4.60 4.42
2011 17.4 8.2 8.6 .309 3.74 4.02 4.17

You can decide to what degree his lessened HR rate is a function of park effects, but as I see it, the advanced stats had this pegged. He's basically the guy, he's allowed fewer homers and has seen his BABIP regress to normal. It's James Shields lite.

PuffyPig
09-08-2011, 11:19 AM
..... but did the Reds really give him a chance?




How can it ever be suggested that we did not give him a chance?

Homer Bailey
09-08-2011, 11:31 AM
He's the same pitcher he's been with the Reds the last couple years, just with more luck and a better ballpark. No improvement in peripherals, no increase in velocity, etc. Citing his win loss record tells us nothing. The Reds did not make a mistake in letting Harang go.

Harang is an awesome guy, used to be one of my favorite Reds, so I'm happy to see his results look shiny in Petco, but I'm not missing him.

*BaseClogger*
09-08-2011, 01:10 PM
Personally, I'm kinda stunned by the 2:1 Ratio in HR's allowed at home vs the road.

Probably has something to do with the nearly 2:1 IP ratio...

westofyou
09-08-2011, 02:20 PM
How can it ever be suggested that we did not give him a chance?

Gave him not only a chance, but boatload of money. Guy is not fit for our park, move on an be happy for him and the fact that he didn't take the Reds for any more cash.

CTA513
09-08-2011, 02:22 PM
Gave him not only a chance, but boatload of money. Guy is not fit for our park, move on an be happy for him and the fact that he didn't take the Reds for any more cash.

Don't worry Arroyo has stepped up to do that this season.

_Sir_Charles_
09-08-2011, 04:31 PM
Probably has something to do with the nearly 2:1 IP ratio...

Nah, I noticed that too....I still wouldn't expect it to be that extreme.

TRF
09-08-2011, 05:41 PM
Once he fit fine in Cincinnati. 2007 was a nice year at GABP. 2006 was better on the road. For whatever reason, he started to stink a bit. Now he has success. I think he's a streaky pitcher prone to big games either way... big K games and games where he gives up a lot of runs.

In 2008 his BB rate and his hit rate went up. He's still walking too many hitters though. I wonder if once he's been another year removed from Cincinnati, and relaxes a bit if he can build on it. I also think he's wearing down a bit. 2nd half numbers not nearly as good as the first half.

WVRedsFan
09-08-2011, 11:36 PM
Yes. When I asked the question about the Reds giving him a chance, it was not to imply the Reds did anything wrong--we could no longer to give him the kind of money he would have demanded. My purpose was to point out that his great year proves he was not the dud many said he was. Some of the comments really disturbed me. Hope the guy wins 16 this year and 20 next. He deserves it.

Homer Bailey
09-09-2011, 09:32 AM
Yes. When I asked the question about the Reds giving him a chance, it was not to imply the Reds did anything wrong--we could no longer to give him the kind of money he would have demanded. My purpose was to point out that his great year proves he was not the dud many said he was. Some of the comments really disturbed me. Hope the guy wins 16 this year and 20 next. He deserves it.

It doesn't prove anything other than that he pitches in a great ball park for fly ball pitchers.

Hoosier Red
09-09-2011, 02:22 PM
It doesn't prove anything other than that he pitches in a great ball park for fly ball pitchers.

I've also been of the opinion that Harang needs to be able to be aggressive with his stuff. Certainly it's true of all pitchers, but he just doesn't have the secondary pitches to get away with it if he's not able to get strikeouts.

Because of this, I think it certainly was possible for him to pitch well in Cincinnati, but once things started to go bad, they went downhilll. All of a sudden anytime he'd put something over the plate he was getting it driven for a cheapie home run, and once that started, he'd start nibbling, which meant he threw a ton of pitches and walked guys and eventually had to come back over the plate with something not quite as sharp, and the process repeated itself.

He's in a place now where every ball up isn't going to result in a trip around the bases, which means he can be more aggressive with his slider(because he doesn't have to worry about the side effects if he gets behind and has to throw one over the plate.) This in turn makes him more confident and makes all of his pitches that much better.