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JaxRed
09-09-2011, 09:32 PM
No one outside the NE Florida area really knows anything about the Jags, so this is my annual "get to know the men in Teal" thread.

This is year 3 of the Gene Smith (GM) era, following the total devastation that was Shack Harris. Your first round picks should be the base of your franchise. Shack Harris had 6 picks. Only 1 was worthy.

2003: Byron Leftwich: After being dumped by Jax, Leftwich has never been more than a second stringer.
2004: Reggie Williams: Total drugged out bust
2005: Matt Jones: 90% drugged out bust
2006: Marcedes Lewis - Home Run
2007: Reggie Nelson - Never been any more than another warm body
2008: Derrick Harvey - Traded numerous picks to get him, he's just a warm body.

None remain with the team: 2 are out of football.

His track record with free agency and contracts were just as bad. He poured 60 million into a contract for David Garrard after his first good season, when he was still under contract for another year. Garrard was never more than an average QB ever again.

In 2008 the team hit rock bottom. 5-11, more arrests than the Bengals, and the money Harris spent on Free Agents was money down the drain. For example Jerry Porter got 10 million for 1 year and 11 catches.

So after the season, Wayne Weaver fired Shack Harris and made Gene Smith GM and gave him total control. Gene believes in character, and the 5-11 team was purged.

He's a build thru the draft guy, who in 3 drafts has held a consistent theme (except for 1 pick). Big guys in first 2 rounds from major schools, and guys from small schools in most of the other rounds.

2009 #1 Eugene Monroe Left Tackle, Virginia
2009 #2 Eben Britton Right Tackle, Arizona
2009 #3 Terrance Knighton, DT, Temple

2010 #1 Tyson Alualu DT California
2010 #3 D'Anthony Smith DT La Tech

2011 #1 Blaine Gabbert, QB, Missouri
2011 #3 Will Rackley, Left Guard, Lehigh

Gene was universally praised locally (so much so that the catch phrase was "In Gene We Trust"). And he still has great support, but there are a chinks in the armor. Monroe has been decent, but not great so far. Britton has been hurt much of his career. D'Anthony Smith has been on Injured Reserve his entire career.

In his 2 years in control Smith has taken the Jags from 5-11 to 7-9 and then 8-8. Both of his years experienced late season collapses. 4 straight games to end 2009 and 3 straight in 2010.

Heading into the off-season the biggest needs were shoring up the defense which was one of the leagues worst especially against the pass. They needed Linebackers and defensive backfield help. And they needed to find their QB of the future.

In the draft the pulled off one of the major surprises and moved up four spots to get the consensus #1 Qb in the draft in Gabbert. And so far they love him. But they got another OL in round 3 (#2 was traded for Gabbert), and a WR in round 4. They didn't get any LB's and the only DB was a 5th rounder out of Wyoming.

So they needed to strike in Free Agency and they did. LB's Paul Pozluzny and Clint Sessions signed. In addition they signed safety Dawan Landry and corner Drew Coleman. All should be the solid "base hit" kind of player Gene likes. (they don't have to be home runs, just don't miss. Singles and doubles are fine).

The Jags looked shaky as best in preseason:

Maurice Jones-Drew missed almost all of it recuperating from off-season knee surgery
Eben Britton missed almost all of it after shoulder surgery
Aaron Kampman missed almost all if it
Tyson Alulu missed half of it
Terrance Knighton missed half of it
the offensive line was porous.
the dline got no pressure
And David Garrard was playing as if he was in a stupor.

And then 1 hour before contracts became official, the Jags released Garrard. The rest of the sports world that doesn't pay attention to the Jags see this as a cost cutting measure that sets them back as they transition to Gabbert.

What the locals know: Luke McCown has vastly overplayed Garrard over the last couple years. He had just been handed the starting job last year when he went down for year in preseason with an ACL.

He consistently looks better in preseason and practice. Garrard had lost the team. When they voted team captains, 5 were named but he wasn't one of them even though he had been the last 2 years.

After every series Blaine Gabbert played, he'd come to the bench and talk to McCown. When McCown would replace Garrard, he'd come into the huddle to high fives. The offensive line play was so bad with Garrard in the game, that Tony Boselli wondered out loud on a broadcast what many were thinking. Is the O line tanking on purpose to sabotage Garrard? The lineman would almost never help Garrard up.

When he was cut on Tuesday, a sportswriter's tweat had an anonymous quote from a Jags players saying something along the lines of "it's not that we lost confidence in him. We never had it"


So where do we stand going into the season:

Jags have what appears to be a tough schedule. They have games against

Jets (playoff team)
New Orleans (playoff team)
Baltimore (playoff team)
Pittsburgh (Super Bowl team)
Indianapolis twice (playoff team)
Atlanta (playoff team)
San Diego
Tampa Bay

So a lot depends on how good Indy and Texans are. If they are good, this is a killer schedule.

But they should be better at QB no matter what the media says. The defense should be much better. They have their QB of the future.

They need to take care of business against the lesser teams. That's why a win in week 1 against Titans is critical.

Eric_the_Red
09-09-2011, 09:39 PM
Last season in 14 games Garrard had the following stats:
QB rating: 90.8
Comp%: 64.5%
TD: 23
INT: 15
Plus he rushed for another 5 TDs.

You honestly think they will be better at QB this year?

JaxRed
09-09-2011, 09:51 PM
McCown will be better in 2011 then Garrard will be. Garrard lost his desire. He was going through the motions and it showed. He stunk in practice he stunk in games, his teammates didn't support him.

While his agent is shopping him, he still periodically says maybe I'll just stay at home.

JaxRed
09-09-2011, 10:51 PM
I'll tell you what though. Jags Sunday against Titans is a huge game. They have no business losing. If they do it could get ugly.

WMR
09-10-2011, 12:59 AM
I really find it difficult to believe they'll truly be a better football team with McCown over Garrard. It seems like he gave that franchise a lot of years of good service. I did read that he was not voted a Captain by his teammates.

JaxRed
09-11-2011, 11:21 PM
After Week 1, Jags are now 1-0.

The good: The Jags totally dominated the Titans. They had 20 first downs to 13. Double the time of possession and had 24 more plays. The defense only gave up 14 points, and 7 of them were on one fluke play. They held the NFL's best rusher to 24 yards rushing. McCown lived up to the coaches faith in him with a very nice game. 91.5 rating.

Both the O-Line and D-Lines played well, as did the secondary for the most part. Jones-Drew looked good (97 yards) and Scobee was awesome.

The bad: The Jags were still in danger of losing the game because of too-conservative coaching. After being ahead 10-0 at the end of the first quarter, the coaches went into "safe" mode. They never scored another touchdown again. They did things like running the exact same play 3 times in a row at first and goal.

Tom Servo
09-18-2011, 04:19 PM
McCown will be better in 2011 then Garrard will be.
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KronoRed
09-18-2011, 04:44 PM
I don't think it's really going to matter who the QB is, they are awful and so are the plays from the sideline, stopping the Jags is once again all about shutting the running game down.

Sea Ray
09-19-2011, 11:43 AM
McCown will be better in 2011 then Garrard will be.

You still feel that way? 4 INTs in 19 attempts is about as bad as it gets

JaxRed
09-22-2011, 06:44 PM
It is. McCown's 4 INT's in Game 2 this year was even worse then Garrard's 4 INT game in Game 2 of 2010.

That's the one thing about the current setup of the Jags. When they get behind it can snowball on them. They lost 8 games last year and 4 of those losses were by 25 points or more.

They are a running team. When they get behind by more than a few points and they HAVE to throw it can get ugly. And the Jets game was the perfect storm. Far and away the Jags best pass receiver is their Pro Bowl Tight End Marcedes Lewis. And their only deep threat is Jason Hill. All the rest are possession guys.

So Jags go into the game without either Lewis or Hill, and they try to throw on some of the best pass defenses in the NFL. On obvious passing situations. It wasn't pretty.

So on to next week against the Panthers who are pretty impressive for an 0-2 team.

The Jags made the move that was waiting in the wings ever since they took Gabbert with the #10 overall pick and have made him the starter. CBS Sportswriter Pete Prisco lives in Jacksonville, and has a lot of contacts, and he thinks if this had been a regular off-season with the OTA's etc, Gabbert would have started the season. That the Jags wanted him to replace Garrard immediately but he wasn't quite ready.

So they go into Sundays game where most people expected 1-1. The city is enthused over starting the Gabbert era. Hopefully the coaches don't limit him too much. The defense is looking good and ranked #5. Jags are getting healthier, Lewis did full practice for first time today. Eben Britton looks to be back to almost full speed now.

A win in Carolina, and a decent performance by Gabbert would have folks around here pretty happy.

Sea Ray
09-25-2011, 07:50 PM
A win in Carolina, and a decent performance by Gabbert would have folks around here pretty happy.

I saw nothing of the game but losing to Carolina has to be disappointing. What happened? I'm wondering because being a Bengal fan I'm interested in all the competition for draft positions next yr...:(

JaxRed
10-01-2011, 09:47 AM
Been swamped at work... just now getting head above water. The coaching lost this game. It's quite the topic here in Jax. It was a little bit like the first game, in which we completely dominated the Titans, yet because of the conservative coaching were close to losing the game.

Jags were the better team Sunday. Not way better, just better. But the coaches gave the game away. We had a 10-5 lead at half time and got the ball for the second half. 22 of our next 24 plays were runs. 22 of 24 !!!

And then there was a fiasco with the clock at the end of the game. Down by 5, the Jags completed a pass to the Panthers 35 with 32 seconds left and no time outs. Everyone who's seen more than 2 NFL games in their life knows you go to the line as quickly as possible and spike the ball.

But Gabbert went to the line, and starts barking out a play. They could have spiked at 23 seconds, but but by the time the clock hit 17 seconds, and the ball is being snapped, the replay officials call a time out to see if the ball is caught. (it was).

Now, when the officials rule it catch, the Jags are back in the huddle, the clock starts as soon as officials decide. The Jags think the clock starts when they snap the ball. So they get back to line and Gabbert sees clock moving but the center is calling out blocking assignments, and the ball doesn't get snapped until 4 seconds. One incomplete pass and game over.

Del Rio runs on field yelling at officials for starting the clock, because he didn't know the rule. Which explains why no one on Jags coaching staff was telling the team they had to snap ASAP after ruling.... they didn't know.

Gabbert not spiking was a replay of something that happened in preseason. So the coaches should have 1) talked to him about that after that game 2) have briefed the team as they started that last drive. "If we get a big gainer, we run to the line and spike it" Football 101.

Players repeating past mistakes (a sign of bad coaching) was also a problem with our rookie punt returner. Last week he fielded a punt inside the 10 which led to a safety. This week he did the same thing on the first drive which led to another safety, and did the same thing later in the game. You stand at the 10... if it goes over your head you let it go.... COACHING !!

There were many in town wondering if Del Rio would get the boot Monday. Obviously it did not happen. He did not endear himself to many when he said he would investigate why they were so conservative on offense. You're the head coach, if you are not actually directing the offense, contact the OC during the game!!

So.... the defense looked pretty good. Newton has thrown for over 400 in his first 2 games and they held him to 158. Defense only gave up 14 points. Gabbert looked pretty decent for 1st game.

Special teams looked like crap again. (except for our FG kicker who is great). Not only 2 punts fielded within 10 yard line, but Turk our punter kept punting into end zone instead of inside the 20. And on one punt he simply dropped the ball and got killed.

Jags don't figure to get healthy against the Saints, so they'll probably start 1-3. But fans need to see some change in what is happening with the coaching.

Sea Ray
10-01-2011, 10:06 AM
Excellent report Jax. We don't get that sort of detail up here. That clearly sounds like a coaching problem and if nothing else, us Cincinnati fans know a coaching problem when we see one.

JaxRed
10-08-2011, 12:27 PM
So, as we figured, the Jags did not get the ship righted against New Orleans. Too good of a team. I actually think most fans felt a little better about the team after the loss then they did going in. The score was 23-10. Not a blowout.

The things on fans minds afterwards:

1) What was Darryl Smith thinking? Smith intercepts a ball from Brees at about the 25 and the only person between the goal line and Smith is Brees. And Smith runs out of bounds!! Holy crap. Jags only scored 3

2) We saw glimpses of our (hopefully) future QB. Gabbert looked pretty good in the first half (not as much in 2nd). And the TD toss he made was the kind we never saw from Garrard or Leftwich.

3. We probably need a new punter. We have the oldest player in the NFL punting and it's not working.

4. What the hell is going on with the coaches. One week after going ultra-conservative, the Jags go pass happy. 42 tosses. And our best weapon on offense Jones-drew gets 11 carries for 84 yards. 11 carries. It's almost as if coaches were saying "ok, complain about not passing enough... this will shut them up". Here's a thought: How about a balanced approach?

5. Garrard finally got a call from a team. He said no. My sofa is really comfy. Confirms what the talk here had been. He lost the will to play. It showed in preseason games and practices and everyone knew it.

6. Now the interesting thing about losing the passion, is that there is a lot of speculation that the same thing has happened to Del Rio. We have 2 Sports talk stations in town, with competing shows in afternoon drive time. One is usally more "happy-talk". The second is Pete Prisco (from CBS). He talks about his sources inside the stadium.

His sources had told him that the Jags were not happy with Garrard over the last year or so. He's now saying there is a lot of internal squabbling going on within the coaching ranks. He thinks Del Rio himself has lost the drive and is ready to move on. Jags have a bye week after week 8 and there's talk there might be a change then, unless the team turns it around.

For that to happen, the offense has to get going. And we need to get a little healthier since we don't have great depth. Gabbert needs to improve week to week, the offense needs to become balanced and unpredictable.

And we need to get a few guys healthier. Aaron Kampman hasn't played a game yet. (Next week looks like the week), Tyson Alualu is nursing a sore knee, Eugene Monroe has a sore shoulder.

This week, like Carolina, is a game that can go either way. But this week all you Bengals followers can weigh in on what you saw in Jax.

Sea Ray
10-09-2011, 09:52 PM
3. We probably need a new punter. We have the oldest player in the NFL punting and it's not working.



Wow. Was that ever prophetic?

I saw a pretty decent defense and a QB worth sticking with. Definitely Del Rio needs to go but is an interim coach the way to go? We have a lot of experience with that here and generally what happens is the new coach brings energy over and above what the old, stale coach had and ends up finishing well. That usually earns the new guy a long term contract but the new found energy can't continue into the new season and you're left with a less desirable situation than what you could have had. The only reason I'd switch coaches in mid season is if I felt we had a shot at the playoffs. If not, take your lumps and enjoy the nice draftpick.

This was one of those games that I figured could go either way and that's exactly how it turned out. Jacksonville's not too good but our Bengals aren't good enough to blow anyone out, especially on the road.

I thought the officiating was real shaky. On one play the nose tackle was literally touching our center, Cook, before the ball was snapped yet no call. How do you miss that?

JaxRed
10-09-2011, 11:30 PM
Officiating wasn't great. And I do think the Jags benefited from that. But these were pretty evenly matched teams as the stats would indicate.

Again to me the difference was coaching.

We had 3 things that had been problem before that were not fixed and they bit us in the butt again.

1. Turk has been terrible all year. There was no reason for him to be on the field. He should have been cut. Instead he had 3 punts under 35 yards (2 of them less then 30). And at the time we need a punt to really be boomed (end of game with Jags ahead and on their own 6 he unleashes a 22 yarder. Bengals take it in to go ahead. COACHING

2. Punt Returner - Mentioned in 2 other game recaps, our punt returner seems to make the wrong decision on every punt. He catches them inside the 10 to pin us back, but lets ball outside the 10 bounce and get downed inside the 10. And that's why we were on our 6 yard line. He let a ball bounce and it went out at the 2. He should have been replaced as punt returner. We have at least 2 other guys who have done it previously. COACHING

3. The infamous snap to nowhere. It was incredibly obvious last week that 2 minute offense was a MAJOR problem. (and had occurred in pre-season also). Last week the center wouldn't snap the ball (among other issues) and this week he shouldn't have. COACHING

4. And a new issue came up this week that showed Del Rios lack of knowledge. Last week it was his not knowing the clock would start after the review was over. This week he managed to blow the coin-toss.

If you remember at the beginning of the game, the announcers said the Bengals won the coin toss and elected to defer. That means the Jags would be able to choose to either get the ball to start the game or to choose a goal to defend. The Jags took the ball. That means the Bengals have the same choice to start the 2nd half. The could get the ball or get the wind at their back in the 4th. Probably because the game was tied, the Bengals elected to get the ball, and let the Jags have the favorable wind in the 4th. Except a funny thing happened on the way to the forum, the Jags chose to defend a goal that would have the significant wind in their face in the 4th quarter.. COACHING.

I'm ready now. Pull the trigger. Let him go tomorrow.

Sea Ray
10-10-2011, 10:42 AM
I'm glad you brought up # 4 and I agree. In fact even Dave Lapham had to be corrected on that after the game by Marvin Lewis. It was the Jags choice on when to take the wind in the 2nd half. That was poor coaching but coaches do that all the time. For some reason when kicking off teams often choose the wind advantage for that qtr. The only time that strategy works is if the wind dies down late in the afternoon.

Redsfaithful
10-10-2011, 11:03 AM
I think Jacksonville has an interesting core. They don't seem more than a year away if they make good decisions. Gabbert looked solid to me when he had time to throw.

bucksfan2
10-10-2011, 11:55 AM
Wow. Was that ever prophetic?

I saw a pretty decent defense and a QB worth sticking with. Definitely Del Rio needs to go but is an interim coach the way to go? We have a lot of experience with that here and generally what happens is the new coach brings energy over and above what the old, stale coach had and ends up finishing well. That usually earns the new guy a long term contract but the new found energy can't continue into the new season and you're left with a less desirable situation than what you could have had. The only reason I'd switch coaches in mid season is if I felt we had a shot at the playoffs. If not, take your lumps and enjoy the nice draftpick.

This was one of those games that I figured could go either way and that's exactly how it turned out. Jacksonville's not too good but our Bengals aren't good enough to blow anyone out, especially on the road.

I thought the officiating was real shaky. On one play the nose tackle was literally touching our center, Cook, before the ball was snapped yet no call. How do you miss that?

I got the feeling that the Bengals were the superior team. I thought having to go into the wind coupled with Andy's awful int early in the game made Gruden go ultra conservative in the 3rd quarter. I think they felt that defense was playing well enough to wait until the 4th quarter. In the end the Jags go ahead TD was on a blown pass coverage and nothing more than that.

Winning on the road in the NFL is difficult. I wouldn't exactly put the Jags on the Bengals level. The Bengals D is better, Dalton is further along in development than Gabbert, and the Bengals have better special teams. For what its worth, Marvin has gotten a lot of flack lately about his coaching, but I think he coached a very good game yesterday. Some gutsy play calls and the decision to go for it on 4th down and also run the clock down to the 2 minute warning were decisions that ended up working. The game reminded me of Tressel ball. Not exactly exciting but the job got done.

Sea Ray
10-11-2011, 05:51 PM
Not surprisingly, the Jags cut Matt Turk today but what hit me was that they signed him for $2mill earlier this year and I guess they're on the hook for all of that. Can you confirm this Jax?

JaxRed
10-14-2011, 01:23 PM
Yep, Jags screwed up by letting a good punter go in FA, then signing someone no one else wanted for more than league minimum. Stupid.

Redsfaithful
10-14-2011, 01:45 PM
The new punter they signed isn't very good either. Unless he's improved. He was frustrating when he was a Bengal.

JaxRed
10-16-2011, 04:29 PM
So the Jags just lost on the road to the Steelers 17-13. This game was not as close as the score indicated. Especially in the first half the Steelers dominated.

But Jags defense tightened and Jags had a chance to win, but couldn't do it. So, the obvious problems all year have been coaching related. So how did coaching do this week?:

1. Punter - Punter released, new punter in. Result: punting problem solved. See how easy this is?

2. Punt returns - Jags decide NOT to replace the punt returner. Result: Steelers punt 6 times we ended up with 1 return for 7 yards. He ran away from a couple punts afraid to make a mistake. Punt Return Problem not solved.

3. All we really know about the 2 minute drive issues is that they did not screw up a snap and when Gabbert needed to spike the ball he did.

4. But bad coaching decisions still raised their ugly head. Partway thru the game when the Jags ran on first down they mentioned that the Jags run on 1st down more than any other team 66% of the time. In crunch time with 4:00 left on the clock, Jags down by 7 the ball on the Pittsburgh 25, 3rd down and 4..... Jags decide to run and not throw, (questionable) and.... they take out Jones-Drew and run it with the backup.

Later with Steelers up 4 and the Jags on D, the Jags let 20 seconds run off the clock before they call time out.

Sea Ray
10-25-2011, 09:07 AM
Let's hear it for the Jags for upsetting the Ravens last night! Again, Del Rio had coaching issues. Why in the world challenge that Flacco was out of the endzone when he was in by 2 feet? I'm sure Jags fans were scratching their heads over that one. But that pales in comparison to the coaching mistake made by the Ravens when they tried an onside kick with 2:02 remaining and two TOs. You've got a great run stopping team vs a rookie QB. Kick it out of the endzone without the clock starting and stop three Jag runs and you'll end up with the ball around midfield. I can't believe they handled it that way. Oh well. Good to see that it's not just here in Cincinnati that we have coaching gaffes.

medford
10-25-2011, 10:14 AM
yeah, that move was head scratching. If (I don't know how easily their kicker could kick it out of the endzone, but the announcers made it sound like he should have no problem with it) they kick it out, Jacksonville would need a 1st down to ice the game. Don't recover the onside kick, and Jacksonville still needs a 1st down to ice the game. It would seem that the % play would be to kick it off deep and hope for the punt at about the 1:30 mark, setting you up in good field position for a GW field goal. The % of recovering the on sides, and driving the additional yardage needed from that point over the expected spot you'd start w/ the punt has to be lower.

JaxRed
10-28-2011, 10:10 PM
So, the Jags win a game, that no one thought they could. It was all on the defense (and the placekicker).

Jags spent on defense in FA and it has shown well all season but never like tonight. All the defenders were back and healthy (although Kampman is playing he's not back to normal).

Jags finally did the right thing, replaced the punt returner. Boom, problem solved.

The funny thing is, in the weak AFC South, if the Jags beat the Texans this week, they are one game out.

Obviously the offense has to get way better, Gabbert has to start showing improvement, and the O-Line has to get healthy. It's been a patchwork.

Sundays game should say a lot about the rest of the season.

Redsfaithful
10-29-2011, 09:19 AM
That defense is for real. Has me thinking I dismissed the Jags too early.

JaxRed
11-19-2011, 10:46 AM
Playing catch-up. The Jags had a bye week and I was in Arizona for a week. The Jags went into Texas and showed they are not quite ready to play with the big boys. (essentially on offense). Gabbert had his worst game yet. The big question was whether Del Rio would survive the off week. Obviously he did.

Coming back after the bye the Jags went to Indy and handled the Colts fairly well 17-3. Defense outstanding and Gabbert was a little better.

At this point, seeing Gabbert get better is what the Jags need to see over the rest of the season. Although there's some dreaming that with Texans QB doing down for year, if they falter there is a slight chance. (so you're telling me there's a chance....)

Razor Shines
11-19-2011, 05:27 PM
Defense outstanding? They allowed the Colts 3 pts without Addai and Clark. A good high school team could have done that.

JaxRed
11-20-2011, 03:14 PM
Yea, real sorry they gave up 3. Defense obviously was weak that day.

JaxRed
11-20-2011, 03:16 PM
Well, as I write this Jags are tied 7-7 with Browns. Just has the look of one of those games they'll lose 16-7.

Jags can't do anything on offense and coaching mistakes have raised their ugly head again.

JaxRed
11-20-2011, 10:57 PM
Well, I was pretty close. We lost 14-10. You could just tell it was one of those days where Del Rio and crew were in brain lock. I had no idea in the 3rd quarter that the biggest blunders were still ahead.

At the end of first half the Jags completed a pass with about 30 seconds to go and were at 4 down at the Browns 40. To kick a field goal from there would be a 57 yarder. A long one but possible for Josh Scobee. So as soon as the pass was complete, Gabbert looks to sidelines for instructions...... and waited, and waited. They couuldn't decide what to do, and finally with the game clock running out, Gabbert calls time.

Del Rio decides to send in Scobee. Then because they waited so long, now the officials decide to review the play. The play stands, but since they had more time to think... Jags decide to punt. Punt. With 6 seconds left to go. Not attempt a FG, not trial a deep pass and try for a PI. A punt.

At the end of the game with the Jags trailing by 4, the Jags get the ball with just over 2 minutes to play. They complete a pass with 2:18 to go, and can't get a play off before the 2 minute warning.

But they drive and get a first and goal at the 2 with 30 seconds left to go on a run by MJD. So instead of calling a TO, and having 4 shots with 2 yards to go..... the Jags don't call time until 9 seconds are left. They let 21 seconds run off the clock. Now they are limited to 2 shots.

KronoRed
11-21-2011, 01:50 AM
That punt before the half was one of wimpiest calls I've seen in an NFL game, the chance of a blocked punt are the same as a blocked FG.

Ridiculous.

JaxRed
11-27-2011, 10:12 AM
As we head into today's game against the Texans, things may be starting to fall apart for Jags. Last week at this time we were heading into a very winnable game and the top team in the Division had just lost their quarterback for the season.

Now.... the Jags lost the winnable game due to bad coaching, and the injuries are mounting up like crazy. Almost as if their saying, "we're done" put everyone on IR and play for next year.

In last 15 days here's what has gone down: Starting Corner Raeshean Mathis to IR. Starting RG Eben Britton to IR, Starting Corner Derek Cox to IR, Starting LB Clint Sessions to IR, Backup LB Kyle Bosworth to IR.

And DT Potroast Knighton will not play today waiting word Monday on whether he will be placed on IR.

Redsfaithful
11-27-2011, 08:07 PM
I know he's a rookie, but Gabbert looks very bad from what I've seen. Might not be the answer.

MWM
11-27-2011, 10:56 PM
I know he's a rookie, but Gabbert looks very bad from what I've seen. Might not be the answer.

That's my take too. I've seen a couple of so-called experts say the same, like the Jags should not rule out a QB in the first round this year if one is available.

Looks like Dalton was the guy to have between him and Gabbert.

JaxRed
11-27-2011, 11:15 PM
Today's game was a gut punch. The defense held together pretty well, but... Gabbert was BAD... you keep hoping you see improvement but he seems terribly gunshy. He bails out of the pocket all the time to avoid being hit, and when he does have time, he has been pretty inaccurate.

You could tell he was shell-shocked today. Del Rio should have taken him out 3 series earlier. We probably would have won. Texans weren't moving the ball much with their 3rd string QB.

Today is the day the whispers of "bust" became talk of bust.

Eric_the_Red
11-28-2011, 01:23 PM
Makes me wonder where the team would be if they stuck with their original QB.

MWM
11-28-2011, 01:46 PM
I doubt Garrard makes any difference.

Eric_the_Red
11-28-2011, 04:14 PM
I doubt Garrard makes any difference.

I'm not so sure. Gabbert looks terrible. Garrard was at least decent to slightly below average.

KronoRed
11-28-2011, 04:56 PM
It's a blessing in disguise, now then can clean house from the GM on down.

JaxRed
11-29-2011, 11:13 AM
Lot going on in Jax town today. Del Rio fired, team sold, GM re-hired.

remdog
11-29-2011, 12:33 PM
Just saw something on CNBC that said the Jags have been sold. Take over is scheduled for early 2012.

I'm guessing that this dependant on league approval.

Rem

WVRed
11-29-2011, 02:03 PM
The Los Angeles Jaguars?

IslandRed
11-29-2011, 04:36 PM
It would be an awfully expensive move. Last I heard, the Jaguars have a pretty solid lease that runs for two more decades. There are easier fish to catch if you're L.A.

top6
11-29-2011, 04:42 PM
It would be an awfully expensive move. Last I heard, the Jaguars have a pretty solid lease that runs for two more decades. There are easier fish to catch if you're L.A.

Like, say, a team in a very small market with a horrible economy that can't sell out games even when they are in the thick of the playoff hunt and where the county is desperately trying to come up with a solution to avoid its obligations under the team's stadium lease?

KronoRed
11-29-2011, 07:46 PM
The Chargers are going to be the new LA team.

Good day to be a Jaguars fan.

JaxRed
11-29-2011, 08:26 PM
So here's what went down best we can tell. There had been many rumors that a Jags sale was in the works, but the name that had been bandied about was Fred Smith of Fedex. Turns out now that maybe Smith was acting as the go between for Khan.

Apparently Weaver would have fired Del Rio after the coaching fiasco in Cleveland if he had not been tied up in these negotiations. He extended the GM for 3 years. The GM (Gene Smith) had (according to Pete Prisco) a relationship that had been deteriorating with Del Rio. He had turned down an extension earlier in the year. But once he knew what was going down with the new owner and Del Rio, he agreed.

Wayne Weaver is almost universally revered in town as the man who would not turn his back on the city. When they were awarding franchises in 93(?), the NFL tried for 2 weeks to have Weaver abandon Jax for St Louis.

And when they were talking about the change of ownership today, Weaver said he got lots of calls from LA, but he would never talk to them. He has every faith that Khan is committed to Jacksonville.

So.... If the glass is half full, we have a new owner committed to Jax, a new coach in the works, a GM we still (mostly) have faith in under contract for 3 years, a solid young defense, and a ton of room under the cap for next year.

Prisco seems to think that Jeff Fischer will want the Chargers job, and the 2 names he thinks are highest in the mix for Jags are Jay Gruden of Bengals and Joe DeCamillas of Dallas.

KoryMac5
11-29-2011, 09:38 PM
Can't see Mike Brown letting Gruden talk to Jacksonville, may force his hand to move Marvin upstairs. Gruden does fit the profile in what Jacksonville is looking for young and cheap coach who has some FLA name recognition and talent.

Razor Shines
11-30-2011, 10:28 AM
They're going to be the LA Mudslides within 4 years


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KoryMac5
11-30-2011, 10:36 AM
Jacksonville is in a pretty iron clad lease until 2027. Only way they can get out of it is if they show they have been losing money for the past three seasons.

Razor Shines
11-30-2011, 10:48 AM
They're on MNF with 10000 tickets left and the upper deck all tarped. 4 years of Gabbert might do it.


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IslandRed
11-30-2011, 11:25 AM
I lived there for several years. The team was well supported then. Boring + mediocre + bad economy is not a good equation for a small-market team... remains to be seen if things will get better.

The tarping of upper deck sections didn't bother me. If the Jaguars had their way in the beginning, the remodeled stadium would have had about 65,000 seats, consistent with the "less is more" approach to NFL stadiums recently used in Chicago, Pittsburgh, Nashville etc. The rest of the seats are there because of the Florida-Georgia game. Only a few teams could consistently fill 76,000 seats year after year, and obviously Jacksonville isn't one of them.

KoryMac5
11-30-2011, 01:26 PM
Can't see Mike Brown letting Gruden talk to Jacksonville, may force his hand to move Marvin upstairs. Gruden does fit the profile in what Jacksonville is looking for young and cheap coach who has some FLA name recognition and talent.

Scratch that, Brown has no say in this if the coach is making a vertical move. Jay Gruden and Zimmer getting lots of pub though as sought after assistant coaches.

JaxRed
12-31-2011, 04:37 PM
Well, been a month since I posted. And for good reason.... The season went on hold once the firing of Del Rio occurred and the sale was announced. The sale takes place Wed, and coaches can be hired Monday. So next year starts this week in Jax.

There is much enthusiasm over Khan as the owner, as a guy who is going to be more aggressive in wanting a winner. And lots of looking forward to a new coach. We have tons of cap room and a returning very good defense, and a high draft choice.

We just can't wait for the offseason to start.