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hebroncougar
09-13-2011, 11:03 PM
Has 27 HR? I saw this tonight, and my jaw hit the floor. I had no clue, where the heck have I been? After all the injuries he had last year, I'd say he's a prime candidate in a couple of years to be crying on 60 minutes about how he used steroids to come back from injuries, and he hit a bunch of HR's.

dougdirt
09-14-2011, 12:32 AM
Wow. No one is safe these days are they? If anyone hits 20 HR's they are a steroid user aren't they?

Tom Servo
09-14-2011, 06:18 AM
Tacoby Bellsbury

hebroncougar
09-14-2011, 10:02 AM
Wow. No one is safe these days are they? If anyone hits 20 HR's they are a steroid user aren't they?

I'm not usually one to jump on the bandwagon, but this is darn near Finleyesque, very, very unexpected, and coming off of a long injury rehab.

Ghosts of 1990
09-14-2011, 10:19 AM
Red Sox effect...

Not much different than what Granderson has done to a lesser extent.

wolfboy
09-14-2011, 10:31 AM
Wow. No one is safe these days are they? If anyone hits 20 HR's they are a steroid user aren't they?

What are you hiding Doug? You show up out of nowhere just shy of six years ago with knowledge of the minor leagues that's historically unprecedented on Redszone. I don't want to point fingers here, but where there's smoke there's always fire.

westofyou
09-14-2011, 10:35 AM
Wow. No one is safe these days are they? If anyone hits 20 HR's they are a steroid user aren't they?

Pretty funny/sad eh?

Davey Johnson hit over 40 HR's in 1973, I'm thinking the juice too.

lollipopcurve
09-14-2011, 10:43 AM
Scouts have been projecting 20+ HR power for Ellsbury for years.

mdccclxix
09-14-2011, 11:37 AM
Wow. No one is safe these days are they? If anyone hits 20 HR's they are a steroid user aren't they?

I get this, but if no one asks questions, we end up where we were in 2006. Being vigilant is good, and the watch isn't really national per se - tainting the national conversation, it's just part of the conversation about baseball among fans. Hopefully some of the grumbling can keep players honest.

Always Red
09-14-2011, 11:40 AM
Davey Johnson hit over 40 HR's in 1973, I'm thinking the juice too.

Tobacco juice :D

westofyou
09-14-2011, 12:01 PM
Tobacco juice :D

One of the reasons Johnson was on the Braves was that he wanted more power and put on muscle to achieve that. Earl Weaver said it made him slow in the field and bad on the DP which to him was unacceptable, even if the payback was some power.

Bumstead
09-14-2011, 12:12 PM
One of the reasons Johnson was on the Braves was that he wanted more power and put on muscle to achieve that. Earl Weaver said it made him slow in the field and bad on the DP which to him was unacceptable, even if the payback was some power.

Hopefully Janish never bulks up for power! ;):laugh:

CTA513
09-14-2011, 03:52 PM
He gets it from Bautista.

hebroncougar
09-14-2011, 08:22 PM
Scouts have been projecting 20+ HR power for Ellsbury for years.

I'm not buying that. He had 10 career minor league home runs in almost 1200 PA's. 20 career HR's in almost the same number of MLB PA's.

_Sir_Charles_
09-14-2011, 08:41 PM
I'm not buying that. He had 10 career minor league home runs in almost 1200 PA's. 20 career HR's in almost the same number of MLB PA's.

Wasn't Stubbs in a similar situation? Power projection but very limited power displayed?

hebroncougar
09-14-2011, 10:11 PM
Wasn't Stubbs in a similar situation? Power projection but very limited power displayed?

Stubbs was/is a couple of years younger.

Spitball
09-14-2011, 10:38 PM
I don't think the speculation is fair. Was Barry Larkin up to something when he hit 33 homers?

dougdirt
09-14-2011, 10:51 PM
I don't think the speculation is fair. Was Barry Larkin up to something when he hit 33 homers?

Absolutely.

blumj
09-15-2011, 12:16 AM
Stubbs was/is a couple of years younger.
It's one year, right? Ellsbury just turned 27 on 9/11, which, while obviously very minor and quite OT, must really kind of stink.

cincinnati chili
09-15-2011, 01:43 AM
I'm not buying that. He had 10 career minor league home runs in almost 1200 PA's. 20 career HR's in almost the same number of MLB PA's.

Good lord, it's 27 homers, not 50. I have no idea if he's clean or not, but this guy always made good contact and got on base when healthy. He doesn't look appreciably bigger. The most likely explanation is a change in approach. It's not like he was a weakling his whole life and showed up to camp ripped.

I think Ichiro could have hit 20/year a until a few years ago just by trying to.

He's a former first round pick and top prospect. Scouts are not surprised by this.

membengal
09-15-2011, 07:38 AM
Tell you what, it is absolutely unheard of that a right-handed hitter could have a power spike in Fenway. That part really suppresses right-handed power...

Oh, wait.

hebroncougar
09-15-2011, 09:52 AM
Go ahead and criticize......that what message boards are for, to discuss things out. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm not advocating we throw him out of baseball, all I said was he's a prime candidate in my book.

Chip R
09-15-2011, 10:18 AM
Go ahead and criticize......that what message boards are for, to discuss things out. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'm not advocating we throw him out of baseball, all I said was he's a prime candidate in my book.

That's fine but it is tiresome when anyone with an increase in power numbers is tarred with the steroid brush. Jay Bruce has a career high in homers. You going to say he was juicing too?

westofyou
09-15-2011, 10:35 AM
Good lord, it's 27 homers, not 50.


I think Ichiro could have hit 20/year a until a few years ago just by trying to.



Phil Bradley 1985, Rollins and Phillips 2007, Paul Blair 1969, Tommy Holmes 1945.

This is too easy

blumj
09-15-2011, 11:21 AM
Tell you what, it is absolutely unheard of that a right-handed hitter could have a power spike in Fenway. That part really suppresses right-handed power...

Oh, wait.

He's a left-handed hitter.

membengal
09-15-2011, 01:49 PM
He's a left-handed hitter.



So you are saying the steroids turned him into a left-handed hitter?

RichRed
09-15-2011, 02:03 PM
Phil Bradley 1985, Rollins and Phillips 2007, Paul Blair 1969, Tommy Holmes 1945.

This is too easy

Wade Boggs, 1987. Same team, same side of the plate as Ellsbury. Went from 5, 5, 6, 8, and 8 homers to 24. Personally, I think it was all that chicken he ate.

But maybe the chicken was on steroids.

blumj
09-15-2011, 03:32 PM
So you are saying the steroids turned him into a left-handed hitter?
To be honest, I'm still trying to figure out why someone would need steroids to heal broken ribs.

nate
09-15-2011, 07:18 PM
So you are saying the steroids turned him into a left-handed hitter?

That's a funny joke right there!

TOBTTReds
09-15-2011, 07:56 PM
Wow. No one is safe these days are they? If anyone hits 20 HR's they are a steroid user aren't they?

What? Doug, you're missing the point unless you are just being smart. I know you are educated on who he is, but your comment makes no sense. He is the ultimate point your finger at him candidate. If someone like Brian McCann hit 50 HR's and someone called him out for possible juice, then I could see you saying "no one is safe these days."

Prior to this year:
07-10 = 1372 AB's with 20 HR; 69 AB per HR
2011 = 596 AB's with 27 HR; 22 AB per HR

Even in the minor leagues he had 10 HR in 1049 AB's; 105 AB per HR

This guy had 30 power at best! Now he's dropping serious bombs, and hitting them very far.

Certainly not saying he's on anything, but if they do HGH testing in the bigs next year and he gets popped, I wouldn't be surprised one single bit. There are a lot more players out there doing stuff that people just don't expect.

westofyou
09-15-2011, 10:28 PM
Paul Blair 1600 ab's before 1969 a HR every 58 ab's, 1 every 39 in ML.

1969 1 HR every 24 ab's

Rest of his career 1 every 48 ab's

2 for the Reds in 1979... that team was "scrappy"

RedsBaron
09-15-2011, 10:55 PM
Ellsbury is a lefthanded Red Sox hitter who at age 27 has had a power surge.
In 1967 another 27 year old lefthanded Red Sox hitter, whose previous season high in HRs was 20, and who had hit a total of 36 HRs in the two full seasons in 1965-66, suddenly hit 44 HRs and won the triple crown. Jacoby Ellsbury, meet Carl Yastremzski.

Johnny Footstool
09-16-2011, 01:29 AM
Jacoby Ellsbury, meet Carl Yastremzski.

Apples, meet oranges.

Yaz's leap was big, but it wasn't nearly the quantum leap Ellsbury has made. Ellsbury had never hit double-digit HR in any pro season until this year.

RedsManRick
09-16-2011, 02:22 AM
I must say, Stubbs body language tonight at the plate was not good. The strikeouts are really getting to his head.

gilpdawg
09-16-2011, 02:48 AM
I must say, Stubbs body language tonight at the plate was not good. The strikeouts are really getting to his head.

I assume you meant this for another thread. :)

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hebroncougar
09-16-2011, 09:17 AM
Wade Boggs, 1987. Same team, same side of the plate as Ellsbury. Went from 5, 5, 6, 8, and 8 homers to 24. Personally, I think it was all that chicken he ate.

But maybe the chicken was on steroids.

87 is a great year for comparison...........

We'll see how the Ellsbury thing plays out. I'm glad a few people agree with me, it's certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he makes the huge leap forward he has this year. Either way. It's very, very rare. Outside of what has become known as the "steroid" era.